cduggles
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Going around in political circles (and I’m paraphrasing): “Pete Buttigieg is an old person’s idea of a young person”.
Election 2020 The 2020 Candidates: Right, Left and Center!
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tathra
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AOC says 'it would be an honour' to be vice president for Bernie Sanders
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has said “it’d be an honour" to be vice president for Bernie Sanders after endorsing the Vermont senator in the Democratic primaries, while noting she’s not old enough to take the job.The freshman New York congresswoman made the comments during a Spanish-language...
Bernie's VP choice is going to be hugely important since they're assured to be the next president in 2028 with AOC as their VP
tathra
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get a load of this fucking genius:
it's exactly this kind of identity-centered politics that makes everyone hate liberals. we don't give a fuck what someone is when selecting employees to represent us in government, we care that they will represent us
it's exactly this kind of identity-centered politics that makes everyone hate liberals. we don't give a fuck what someone is when selecting employees to represent us in government, we care that they will represent us
Xorkoth
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Yeah, how asanine. You're right, this is why people think liberals are full of shit. Because some are. Identity politics sucks.
As if someone being a minority or a woman automatically makes them a better elected official...
As if someone being a minority or a woman automatically makes them a better elected official...
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w01fg4ng
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I think both of you are pretty far off the mark about Andy's remark. You can't just make a racist remark and then blame the liberals for not being as racist as you are.
He is simply being racist. I'm not sure why it's difficult for either one of you to admit/see that.
He is simply being racist. I'm not sure why it's difficult for either one of you to admit/see that.
tathra
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to what racism are you referring? "reverse racism" against cishet male mayos? lmao
w01fg4ng
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w01fg4ng
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It's pretty disturbing the way OC is treated and blatantly discriminated against while her own supposed supporters sit back and do nothing while she is mocked.
Identity politics will never go away.
Identity politics will never go away.
w01fg4ng
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Fascism is alive and well
mal3volent
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are You guys agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell
w01fg4ng
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We are agreeing on the fact that the post by Andy Ostroy is in poor judgement, however the reason for that judgement is what we disagree on.
The term "identity politics" was loosely used by Tathra and in a demeaning manner implying that it is the liberals fault for causing all this confusion when in fact the whole thing can be summed up in two words:
"that's racist"
People fear using those words these days, cause you know fascism.
The term "identity politics" was loosely used by Tathra and in a demeaning manner implying that it is the liberals fault for causing all this confusion when in fact the whole thing can be summed up in two words:
"that's racist"
People fear using those words these days, cause you know fascism.
Xorkoth
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I mean honestly I don't see how the guy is being racist, he's trying to be not bigoted but is failing to understand that supporting a white man isn't racist or sexist if he's the best candidate. Because of identity politics going haywire. Basically he's being an idiot, but I think it's a pretty big stretch to call him racist because of this statement.
w01fg4ng
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It's a loaded question.
How can you stop me from being racist?
How can you stop me from being racist?
i don’t think that’s true. that tweet has over 5000 replies, many of them critical and from a spectrum of political leanings...
alasdair
w01fg4ng
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What's a flummoxed in manhatten?
tathra
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being gay, or black, or a woman, or whatever, is not something that has any relevance in deciding who to vote for. like, "how can you, a gay man, not vote for mayo pete? he's gay just like you!" is ridiculous. voting based on identity is fucking stupid. trump won because of this kind of identity-based voting - his supporters support him because he's white and promotes white nationalist agendas, meanwhile the DNC relentlessly pushed Hillary with literally nothing to support her candidacy except "she's a woman! it's her turn!"
"Bernie is an old white Jewish man" is not a reason to be against him, mayo pete being gay is not a reason to support him, kopmala being a woman of color is not a reason to support her. and AOC being a woman of color is not a reason to support her
the only valid reason to be for or against a candidate is their policies and character. Bernie has the support and base he does because he's still promoting the same policies and message he has been since he got into politics. and AOC has the massive support and base because she's basically Bernie, advocating the same policies and messages, but in a younger, more hip (gamer and meme queen
), and more attractive package
w01fg4ng
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Why can't you call Andy's post out for what it is ???being gay, or black, or a woman, or whatever, is not something that has any relevance in deciding who to vote for. like, "how can you, a gay man, not vote for mayo pete? he's gay just like you!" is ridiculous. voting based on identity is fucking stupid. trump won because of this kind of identity-based voting - his supporters support him because he's white and promotes white nationalist agendas, meanwhile the DNC relentlessly pushed Hillary with literally nothing to support her candidacy except "she's a woman! it's her turn!"
"Bernie is an old white Jewish man" is not a reason to be against him, mayo pete being gay is not a reason to support him, kopmala being a woman of color is not a reason to support her. and AOC being a woman of color is not a reason to support her
the only valid reason to be for or against a candidate is their policies and character. Bernie has the support and base he does because he's still promoting the same policies and message he has been since he got into politics. and AOC has the massive support and base because she's basically Bernie, advocating the same policies and messages, but in a younger, more hip (gamer and meme queen
It's racist, sexist and homophobic. It's a disservice to AOC to ignore this fact.
tathra
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if you look at it as basically the same thing as nationalism, "likes belong with likes", then yeah, it's absolutely just as racist, sexist, and homophobic as nationalism
but that doesn't mean it isn't also what I originally said, bullshit identity politics that makes everyone hate liberals
w01fg4ng
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Again with demeaning of identity politics and squarely placing the blame on liberals with no reference, rhyme or reason. And now you are ambiguously using the term nationalism to further muddy the waters of our conversation.
His post is either bigoted in a racist, sexist and homophobic way or it's not.
You can continue down the path of denying his bigotry, but you are unable to hold your support for AOC by doing so. Your choice.
tathra
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except, you know, the given context that's actually there and not seeing things that aren't actually there due to one's own biases
if you want to argue in favor of a premise, the correct way is to argue rationally and include sourced information that supports your premise. the wrong way to do it is by attacking and bullying people who dare to disagree with you because honestly, the nerve of them having different opinions and viewpoints, what fucking assholes
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