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Is this sand stuff the same stuff sometimes advertised as 'champagne MDMA'? I plugged and parachuted some of that recently and was rolling just like it was the 1990s. Very similar experience to pills available in pills available in clubs across SEAsia in latter decades of last century. I would have described it as having the same magic and definitely not meh.
 
Depends on the country i had heard in this part that some sand stuff was been laced with n-ethylpetone tens of kgs of the shit has been seized here aswell so i thought there was some truth to the statement so its always best to have test kits when dealing with things you havent tried yet.
 
After following this thread for years now, I really don't know that there is any reliable correlation between appearance and effect. People have reported "magic" from clear crystals with no odor, smelly tan product, fluffy snow like product, etc. It is relevant to document the appearance and experience, but I don't think there is any strict rule. Same with the meh stuff. It seems to come in all sorts of appearances.

@G_Chem That pic you posted looks like what I did back in October, and then prior to that in June. It looked very fused/clumped together into large pieces.
 
indigoaura said:
@babooon87 The stuff I have right now has that magnet near sand appearance. That is a great way to describe it. It reminded me of some toys from the 80s where you used a magnet to draw pics in a black sand.
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And is the stuff legit ? Effects wise I mean. The 2-3 times I got some that looked like this in montreal around 2008-2009 it was by far far the best quality stuff I ever had. 100 mg would have people rolling balls. It had that classic rollercoaster ride that caracterises the pure mdma experience. The peak was in waves. I would get these waves of pure euphoric rushes with eyes rolling to the back of head then would almost feel sober a few minutes than another wave and so on for a few hours with an amazing relaxing afterglow that would last the whole weekend. I had really good rolls over the years but these batches of crystal with this particular look was just on another level. It made me look super messy with huge pupils and DRENCHED in sweat so much people kept asking me if I was alright. The mdma these days have me look completely sober. After 2009 all the mdma I came across came in these big cocaine-like rocks of many shades and colors that seem to be the norm these days and that honestly never really delivered a satisfying roll at any dosages.
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That's what this magic stuff looked like. I also had other drugs with this type of crystallisation like some batches of mephedrone and again the quality was second to none so there may be something there that is indicative of a quality synth.
 
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babooon87 said:
And is the stuff legit ? Effects wise I mean. The 2-3 times I got some that looked like this in montreal around 2008-2009 it was by far far the best quality stuff I ever had. 100 mg would have people rolling balls. It had that classic rollercoaster ride that caracterises the pure mdma experience. The peak was in waves. I would get these waves of pure euphoric rushes with eyes rolling to the back of head then would almost feel sober a few minutes than another wave and so on for a few hours with an amazing relaxing afterglow that would last the whole weekend. I had really good rolls over the years but these batches of crystal with this particular look was just on another level. It made me look super messy with huge pupils and DRENCHED in sweat so much people kept asking me if I was alright. The mdma these days have me look completely sober. After 2009 all the mdma I came across came in these big cocaine-like rocks of many shades and colors that seem to be the norm these days and that honestly never really delivered a satisfying roll at any dosages.
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That's what this magic stuff looked like. I also had other drugs with this type of crystallisation like some batches of mephedrone and again the quality was second to none so there may be something there that is indicative of a quality synth.
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Man, those iron filings are the fuckin bomb...

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last roll was 2 different cp pills, and i was off my face, proper in every sense. best roll in a long time.
 
I obtained some clear crystals for christmas. Hope it:s not meh. They look different from other clear batches I say so I may be lucky. The rock is very hard and the faces reflect light in rainbow colors.
 
Just a very random comment here guys. My 2 Dutch Bowser MDMA pills, which I bought in March for the purpose of of some self psychotherapy for trauma release and anxiety after years of illness about which I was fully confident.

But I was never sure if it would be safe for me physically to take the pills although I am very confident that they are as clean as I would hope to get pretty much hopefully mainly with cellulose as a binder because they are very crumbly and not solidly hard-pressed and laminated and you can see crystal throughout.

From a legit trusted Source Direct from Holland as well.

I would rather have pure MDMA crystal even if if not really pure and cuts like so many of your experiences and samples apparently.

Regarding my own potential adverse intolerance reaction to the MDMA pills I have I'm I'm almost equally concerned about the non MDMA ingredients. If I could tolerate say 100mg of MDMA without an adverse nervous system reaction which is very sensitive in my case just stimulant, if there was say 100mg of caffeine present as well that could cause me serious medical complications and an adverse nervous system reaction combining with the MDMA stimulation.

And I can't take sugar specifically certain forms without severe mucus production and respiratory aggravation which is always unpleasant when one is off one space trying to be comfortable on a psychedelic entactohen.

But most of all I just wanted Assurance that it would be physically safe for me to take the MDMA without any significant acute health danger.

I recently visited my homeopath who uses an advanced but very legitimate and accurate diagnostic tool called Vega testing which is used widely in mainstream German and Dutch medicine but I pressed and and attached with Propaganda especially in the USA and United Kingdom why do medical corporations.

Anyway this has been a fascinating privilege and experience over the years the diagnosis of very specific infections and locations and effective vibrational homoeopathic treatment.

Also the ability to test any particular food, remedy, herb, substance or otherwise with this technology to see how negatively or positively it may agree with my particular body and this can be completely carryable between different people.

I have tested countless things over the years and the feedback has always been 100% in line with my exact intuitive experience without fail.

I took various psychoactive compounds with me three different lysergamides and all tested exactly as I expected they were all pretty good:

1p LSD was the least beneficial verging on on a slightly aggravating nature is one way to put it.

1cp LSD as I was dead sure beforehand from recent experience tested noticeably but not greatly better than 1plsd because 1plsd was more than acceptable.

But then we also tested the ALD 52 which I've not actually taken yet but strongly suspected it would actually test slightly better than the other two and this was the case it was noticeably better in the positive Direction because the others were already that way themselves.

Next time I will test lsd-25 itself which will be interesting to see if it's tests even better than ald-52 or equal or less so.


Now, I also tested kava. Very good. Zero negative or harmful indication.

Ktatom (this particular herb very strongly disagrees with me and severely messes up my digestive system it would kill me if I took it daily no exagerration). Kratom showed a high level of irritation.

So did Kanna extract, (which I recently enjoyed for powerful anyiolysis and lomg lasting antidepressant effects). But the kanna did upset my digestion each time I'm as well as as a respiratory aggravation although I did recover from this unlike the kratom which basically leaves me is severely malnourished and unable to eat 4-days of major intestinal blockage it's torture I won't take that stuff again.



(The Kava- actually massively helps with my intestines and: and seems to be a tonic and cleanse.)


So I got some really useful feedback on all of those which my intuition and experience matched with 100% and I basically predicted in my mind and as the results were displayed.

But the point- I also tested my Dutch Bowser MDMA pill and what was really interesting was that it was indicated towards the irritating side of things but not off the scale nothing like "take this and you will die sort of thing".

I think I probably could get away with taking it orally at sensible dosage of course but I would still be more confident about rectal administration because I would still suffer digestive upsets and respiratory mucus production from anything ingested orally.



So I may be able to revisit the MDMA experience when I'm strong enough and prepared. However I am also very torn on this because I have so much going for me in terms of my imagination and brain function especially when it comes to social situations and communication and being perceptive and on the ball and confident within myself and my own brain and imagination and vision of things at all times.

This is despite massive be compromised mental and physical function of sleep deprivation malnourishment etc.

I would not want to take MDMA once or twice and feel as though I had lost a certain type of of efficient mental and memory functioning and processing ability to a degree to myself.

When I am making very good progress treating and clearing trauma and stress and developing spiritually and psychologically with non brain damaging lysergamides and additional psychoactive herbs.


So I will have to give this one some thought, at the right time. Overall, even if I do perceive a definite change to my cognitive functioing, what I seek may mote than compensate and "me" could be better overall.
 
Oh the most surprising and ONLY unexpected thing from the Vega testing- Etizolam blotters!

I tried the Etizolam recently for severe anxiety. Bizarrely, I tolerate the Etizolam very well. No noticeable respiratory effects or mucus production- (RARE!)

No stomach bother. Actually the opposite it has been amazing at relaxing my mind and therefore gut and whole body enabling me to eat and digest food much better when it is vital for my survival that I am able to do this.

But I was feeling really guilty about the Etizolam. Like I shouldn't be doing it at all sort of thing and I was expecting it to be indicated as negative or harmful for my body with the Vega testing. Although my experience of it has been very comfortable and it seems to have been really helpful to me all round.


Anyway out of everything I tested that day the etizolam tested the best buy a good shot as in in showing very positive signs of being really beneficial for my body right now.

Somehow how it would appear that this supposedly toxic benzodiazepine type compound my actually be worth me taking for the meantime with discipline.

Sorry guys just sharing this feedback on these different substances because it's so interesting and revealing to myself. I really hope to give a subjective report on the MDMA pill at some point I definitely want to look into the rectal administration.
 
Le Junk said:
Let me first give you a little background. I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will literally melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. All you want to do is touch and feel on the person youre with and tell them how beautiful they are and how much you love them etc. There are massive eye wiggles and conversation flows like new born buddas. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk.

Before you jump to the assumption that this Le Junk guy is just old, hes done way to much ecstasy over the course of his lifetime and this is just a matter of tolerance, please re-read my post stating that I still have access to old school MDMA that Ive had since the 1980s. So in one hand I have modern day lab tested MDMA crap and in the other hand, old school MDMA heaven. So tolerance is out the window. Moving forward...

My question is this. Is this the best there is out there today? And since both pills tested on ecstasydata as pure MDMA, what is wrong with MDMA production nowdays? Does anyone else feel what I'm talking about here? My setting is pretty much always the same so that's not it. I always hear people talk about the setting as if that's an issue. With the crystalline powder, it doesn't matter where I am, it's always great. But with these Supremes and Teslas, it's just a sub-par, little euphoria, no real love or empathy, fucked up kinda buzz. Let me put it this way, if this was all that was available to me, I'd quit taking MDMA altogether. Terrible!
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Yeah, it's always been so weird to me how come this stuff's so popular when I hate it, kinda explains it to me. I have a resentment to the idea of this drug.
 
Ok hard clear crystal reflecting light in rainbow colors = legit. A miracle happened tonight,... Drum rollll ! My pupils dilated !
 
Wow, incredible !! My first real roll since 2010. With 50 mg methallylescaline + 150 ug 1cp-lsd in the background this is reallly epic. Merry christmas everyone.!! Hope you are all tripping or rolling hard !! Take care ! you might be fooling a couple of reageant tests and lab analists that have no clue what they are looking for but ya aint fooling us long time drug users that have done it all ànd seen it all. Ohhh so the dutch superlabs are producing pills that not only are pure mdma but also dosed at 2-3 times the normal dose. Ohhh look how suddenly the the criminal conglomerates are really concerned that we roll hard and have a good time... yeah the same people that seemed ok with the idea of pressing disgusting bzp-tfmpp pills and passing that off as mdma without a second thought... yeah, they are reaaaaallyyyy concerned that we roll hard. Well Guess what ? We aint rolling !! Not even close ! you think people would find it absolutely normal to have unsatisfying effects from 200-300 mg of pure mdma ? That we would find it normal to fall sleep during an Ecstasy Peak ? really ?? yEAHHH it is all in our head,. Drug users are the problem not the product ! Yeah right , like we don't know exactly what a certain drug is supposed to do after having consumed over 60 different conmpounds over the last 15 years !! We, here on bluelight forums, that are some of the most passionate people for psychoactivity will not believe your bullshit and we WILL call you out on it every step of the way you can count on that !!!

Edit : So yeah, hard clear crystals with faces reflecting light in rainbow colors is the real deal. I knew immediately when I saw it. Something about it looked very different from the life-less, boring, transparent crystal meh-dma that I have seen over the past decade..
 
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@babooon87 If you don't mind me asking, where are you located? What country/state? Did you do any reagent testing on this product? If so, does anything stand out? What has your usage been like over the last decade? Did you have a lot of meh experiences? Merry Christmas!!!

I have not heard anything back from Energy Control or @vash445 regarding my samples. Hope to get some more data soon to post here.
 
So, tonight I saw some product that was unusual. @babooon87 commented on product that has a magnetic sand quality. The product I currently have has that texture, but in color it is still translucent/white. Tonight I saw something that had that same magnetic/sand texture, but it was dark brown/black. Never seen product that dark before. When I opened the bag to smell the product, it REEKED. This was definitely the same smell that I am familiar with from long ago. However, despite the familiar smell, the color of the product made me a bit concerned.

Actually, it looked a lot like the product that this poster shared in the first post: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/is-this-too-much.881401/

My connection said it was very strong, actually "too strong" with a hard comedown the next day. He described crazy eye jitters. I've known this person a long time, and trust the feedback.

Based on everything we have talked about here, seems like any product that is dark brown/black has got to be impure. At the very least, it has not been washed or re-crystallized. Are there any specific synth methods that would cause the product to be so dark? The smell and the reports from my acquaintance made me curious, however. Think it is worth it to pick some up and send off to a lab? Seems ill advised to consume it without more info.

Also, this made me wonder, does anyone know what Leuckart MDMA would have looked like? Would that method have produced different colored product, or a product with a specific appearance?
 
indigoaura said:
Also, to @vash445 or @vecktor or @G_Chem or anyone else who knows what it means, Energy Control added a PDF file to my account today. It does not seem very detailed to me, but I don't know how to read the info. I uploaded the file here: https://gofile.io/?c=uPsGA1
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Thats a UV/vis spectra with the table of the absorbance at the certain wavelength pretty basic for them just to send you that and makes me wonder if they just make up their results for % of mdma in products and just say everything is mdma if it looks like it on a basic level thus scamming their customers.
 
I agree with TripSitter... How rare is it to get a purity that lands straight on 80%? I’m truly beginning to believe these labs are bullshit. I trust EData a little bit more but then you have the US gov keeping them in check on handing out information.

-GC
 
@indigoaura - So that product sounds like MDA potentially, if not likely some “sassy” MDMA.

It’s been reported by many, including myself, that the darker impurities can sometimes give product a more intense feel due to increased stimulation and bodily effects.

I personally stopped using darker MDMA many years ago (last batch I ate personally was probably 8yrs ago) because while it feels good it’s harsh on my body and I’d often wind up with an aching back from muscle tension. I’m also not a fan of grinding my teeth.

Really pure product has MUCH less physical side effects, in fact the purest product sometimes doesn’t even feel like your on a drug. You’ve just unlocked the ability to feel infinite amounts of love for your fellow man, but it feels like it’s coming from inside naturally as opposed to forcefully from an outside force/drug.

My best rolls on the cleanest product always had that feel to me.

That said MANY, in fact most from what I’ve heard, people seem to enjoy the intensity that darker product provides. Honestly if o was you I’d grab a little to try just to see if that floats your boat :)

As for Leuckart, from what I’ve gathered it’d likely be a light pink or light orangey/brown (possibly) and probably more likely a powdery sandy crystal. Remember though reagents should show too, the Marquis on Leuckart product should go immediately black to cobalt blue over 30secs.

The color of the product is somewhat of a guess. So when MDA first came on the scene in the 70’s USA there was brown MDA, white MDA, but the prizes of them all was “Uncle Toms Pink Sassafras MDA.” Supposedly made all the others look like garbage in comparison.

Back then Leuckart was likely one of the main routes for MDA and MDMA.

In the 90’s when labs were producing both MDMA and amphetamines in the same spot with the Leuckart, oxblood speed was huge. It was considered the best of the best, and cherished by those that remember. It too had a red or pink coloration.

What these drugs had in common was there synth route, and when that synth route when out of fashion EVERYBODY complained that the MDMA, MDA, meth and amphetamine was no longer the same. It was also around this time that oxblood speed disappeared, as well as any pinkish hued MDMA and MDA.

If you look this same conversation exists for meth and to a lesser extent MDA. Meth users swear the early 90s product was insane, even though it was racemic and impure. Today’s pure d-meth seems to lack for them. I’ve concluded in my research that it isn’t due to the racemic vs d-isomer so much as possible synth route used.

God one day someone is going to mass produce Leuckart MDMA again and when they do we’ll all dance in celebration :)

-GC
 
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