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US Politics The trump impeachment thread

Why do you still complain about "all the lefties" here? I probably would've sympathized with you a few years ago but not today.

I'm triggered just thinking about all the Trump lovers reading this post right now.

Truth... There is easily just as many so called "right" leaning posters as so called "lefties". I don't really follow such ideals anyways. Trump is not conservative, whatever that means anymore and all this Epstein, pizzsgate/pedo nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with anything that is currently going on in politics. It's all deflection for Trump and the impeachment hearings.
 
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I actually do need some coddling and protecting. Even us conspiracy theorists have feelings, and I'm up against a lot here going into the trenches against so many devout lefties.

I mean I was right about Epstein and I still can't get my pizzagate/pedogate thread re-opened.

How are you right about Epstein? It's still all wild speculation at this point.
 
Rep. Jim Jordan said:
A 40 minute opening statement from a guy who overheard a phone call that was “a couple minutes.”

THIS is the Democrats’ last ditch effort? Talk about desperate.




Why do you still complain about "all the lefties" here? I probably would've sympathized with you a few years ago but not today.

I'm triggered just thinking about all the Trump lovers reading this post right now.

I'm really only complaining about the ones in power that try and sometimes do censor me. The rest of the liberals I have love for as long as they're not calling for child/gender stuff.

Also you'll find many more nuanced opinions with regards to Trump and especially now that many of the most serious attacks against him have been pretty baseless. So someone could feel completely alienated from and completely ashamed of their Democratic party, then reluctantly vote for Trump due to him being the only sane option and that wouldn't make them a "Trump lover".
 
How are you right about Epstein? It's still all wild speculation at this point.

Not really wild speculation that Epstein was a prolific child sex trafficker, flew many times with the Clintons to his pedo island on Lolita Express and that he seems to have been murdered in a max security jail while under close watch awaiting trial.

If you think all that's just a distraction from these bombshell Trump impeachment hearings then you're not worth talking to imo.
 
And I'm not even a conservative. I just put truth before tribe, where most people do the opposite

Uhh, what? You're not a conservative?
Uhhh, may I ask what generally conservative positions you oppose? Or what liberal positions you support?

If you don't wanna risk derailing the thread you're welcome to pm the reply.
 
Truth... There is easily just as many so called "right" leaning posters as so called "lefties". I don't really follow such ideals anyways. Trump is not conservative, whatever that means anymore and all this Epstein, pizzsgate/pedo nonsense has absolutely nothing to do with anything that is currently going on in politics. It's all deflection for Trump and the impeachment hearings.

I was actually just thinking the other day how much I miss spacejunk. It feels like now everyone I argue with in CEPS is on the far right of me.

I really miss arguing with the far left (which spacejunk always seemed like). I miss arguing that communism and socialism are doomed to failure and history shows it, and that constrained capitalism is the best system. :(

I'll give this for the far right though, I might actually say that they're less hypocritical. They generally embrace being assholes rather than coming up with exceptions to their philosophy to justify being assholes. :)

That's right you lefties! Come out of the woodwork and come at me! Tell me how you don't have to tolerate my views because "I don't have to tolerate intolerant people". I've missed you so much! :(
 
Uhh, what? You're not a conservative?
Uhhh, may I ask what generally conservative positions you oppose? Or what liberal positions you support?

If you don't wanna risk derailing the thread you're welcome to pm the reply.

I'm quite liberal socially. I'm for the legalisation of all drugs, I'm pro-choice, I'm pro-immigration, pro-welfare (for the people that are unable to look after themselves) etc.

Not everyone that resists the Left falling off into radicalization is a "conservative".
 
All that needs to be done is stringent, independent and transparent psychological testing, including a full psychopathy profile, for anyone that applies for any position of power.
 
inb4 "fake news"

Exclusive: Giuliani associate willing to tell Congress Nunes met with ex-Ukrainian official to get dirt on Biden


naturally the douchebags crying most about there being a witch hunt are the ones most guilty and terrified of being held accountable for their actions
 
All that needs to be done is stringent, independent and transparent psychological testing, including a full psychopathy profile, for anyone that applies for any position of power.

and maybe a world history test as well
 
What the impeachment hearingas have really highlighted for me is how deeply problematic our national discourse has become. We have two entirely differents sets of "facts". I watch this whole thing and it is impossible for me to understand how someone who is truly objective does not come to the conclusion that there is a problem here. Or how people see the hearings and come to the conclusion that there's nothing. I see it and there's a whole lot of something, and some compelling testimony, and lots of corroboration. And Trump and the people supporting him in the media/government are using classic bullying/intimidation tactics (I defy you to tell me they aren't). Trump attacks every witness on Twitter, says the same stuff designed to discredit their character (basically calls them nobodies with his "I don't even know who they are, who is this?"). The conservative media only talks about how confusing and boring the hearings are. No one on the right is actually addressing any points, they're just basically like "heh, what a bunch of nobody losers, what a sham, heh, the ratings are terrible, heh, Dems have nothing". I'd like to hear someone make a credible analysis of how there is nothing here other than "fake news".

And any criticism or believing of the multitude of witness testimonies or any other evidence (like how about Trump actually saying he did it well before the hearings ever started) means that you're just a blind sheep who hates Trump. Nope, there is some really serious shit going on here. I strongly oppose Trump not because someone told me to but because it is incredibly, abundantly obvious to me that the guy is a disaster. It boggles my mind that anyone does not see this. It was totally obvious well before the impeachment hearings, too. Mark my words, if we don't admit as a nation that what is happening is very wrong, and fix it, we will look back on this in 20 years and regret the opportunity we missed and wonder what in god's name we were thinking.

It (not specifically the hearings, but the whole story) also highlights to me the really serious problem we are facing of Russia's campaign to undermine our stability and democracy. Quite successfully, too. It's crazy to me that somehow a large portion of the population and government leaders believe that our ally against Russia, Ukraine, is actually behind the Russian hacks and disinformation campaign for some reason I haven't heard articulated, and that Russia has suddenly become our ally. Never mind the long (and very recent!) history of us being arch-rivals, and on the verge of annihilating each other, and the foreign engagements we are still involved in to vie with them for the world's primary superpower. And these same people are still very much under the power of the Red Scare with their fear of anything resembling Socialism (even including spend our tax dollars on stuff that benefits us). It's mind-boggling. And terrifying. It goes to show how easily Russia has succeeded in their campaign. They now have half of our population doing it for them.

The whole thing makes me feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone. There is a SERIOUS level of delusion going on in the American discourse. And it frightens me because our long and bitter battle with Russia has reached a new low for us. And it's because Russia's leadership is smart and strong, while ours is idiotic and delusional and is utterly unprepared to deal with the intricacies of the situation.

I'm pro-choice

I was under the impression you weren't, from recollections of past discussions on the topic. Do you believe it's wrong but still support the choice? I remember you saying something along the lines of it being murder.

All that needs to be done is stringent, independent and transparent psychological testing, including a full psychopathy profile, for anyone that applies for any position of power.

Totally agree with this. Of course, since psychopaths are current;y in power, that won't happen until they aren't, unfortunately.
 
I can't support tests to become president for the same reason I can't support tests to be a voter. Whoever controls the tests controls the government. It's too dangerous IMO. It creates a single target that if compromised, would give one side of politics way too much power.
 
I can't support tests to become president for the same reason I can't support tests to be a voter. Whoever controls the tests controls the government. It's too dangerous IMO. It creates a single target that if compromised, would give one side of politics way too much power.
haha oh jess you talk as if politics was ever fair and for the 'people'
 
I can't support tests to become president for the same reason I can't support tests to be a voter. Whoever controls the tests controls the government. It's too dangerous IMO. It creates a single target that if compromised, would give one side of politics way too much power.

Having good grades in school is part of the test. There are always tests in one form or another. Attempting to weed out psychopathy from positions of powers is an excellent idea.

And any criticism or believing of the multitude of witness testimonies or any other evidence (like how about Trump actually saying he did it well before the hearings ever started) means that you're just a blind sheep who hates Trump. Nope, there is some really serious shit going on here. I strongly oppose Trump not because someone told me to but because it is incredibly, abundantly obvious to me that the guy is a disaster. It boggles my mind that anyone does not see this.
I don't think you grasp how important direct evidence is and how there has been very little of it in regards to accusations against Trump. The media and his opponents are good at making it sound like "they've got him" when really they don't have shit. Adam Schiff said in the past that he has direct evidence that Trump was colluding with Russians. So how come there were zero indictments related to Russian collusion and why does anyone still believe that Schiff is in any way reputable or trustworthy? Just because something is official and looks all political on CSPAN doesn't mean that it all can't be a massive load of lies and underhanded political attacks.

I was under the impression you weren't, from recollections of past discussions on the topic. Do you believe it's wrong but still support the choice? I remember you saying something along the lines of it being murder.
3rd term abortion is murder. And if the state wasn't engaged in institutionalised child trafficking then I could be more pro-life.

Totally agree with this. Of course, since psychopaths are current;y in power, that won't happen until they aren't, unfortunately.
Yeah I don't think this will ever happen. Most people aren't even aware of the root cause of many of our problems, and the garden-variety psychopaths have done well as to hide/suppress the legitimate study of them.
 
Your grades in school don't determine if you're going to be president or not. Just because there are tests in other areas of life doesn't mean they're appropriate in every area in life and society.
 
Your grades in school don't determine if you're going to be president or not. Just because there are tests in other areas of life doesn't mean they're appropriate in every area in life and society.

What I suggested is completely appropriate and in fact necessary. Unless you're worried about discriminating against psychopaths. A very noble and liberal position to hold.
 
What I suggested is completely appropriate and in fact necessary. Unless you're worried about discriminating against psychopaths. A very noble and liberal position to hold.

Right. And tell me. What happens if someone like Hillary Clinton is elected. And then decides to try and change the test to deem that someone like say, trump, is a psychopath.

Or perhaps all Republicans?

"if you don't believe in communism, you must be mentally ill and in need of psychiatric help".

I think that's too dangerous a tool to give to any current administration and I'm quite surprised you don't think so too. Given that this is a tool id more associate with oppression by the far left, if anyone not also far left.
 
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