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US Politics The trump impeachment thread

second time asking @Lucy20

i'm an american democrat. would you please explain - perhaps with a handful of examples which should be easy to find if there's nothing more hypocritical than me - why i'm so hypocritical?

thanks.

alasdair

That you jump on trump for less then you would a Democrat. If trump was visiting pedo island it would still be in the news and you would be more upset then when a Democrat does it.
This sub forum is really left and when a conservative gives an opinion you want personal details and a lynch mob comes crawling out.
Look how you all jump on Jgrimes
 
I have been paying attention, that's why I commented. From an outsider the American Democrats are hypocrites. Clinton was on pedo island with no security detail and you barely metion that but Trump said "grab her by the pussy" and you were calling him everything and it was plastered everywhere.
Maybe you're in to close to see how you are

Trump is the president right now. Everyone should be accountable for their own actions. What Clinton has or hasn't done shouldn't be of any concern when you are evaluating Trump.

Everyone has their own political perspective.
Let the facts speak for themselves.
 
This sub forum is really left and when a conservative gives an opinion you want personal details and a lynch mob comes crawling out.
Look how you all jump on Jgrimes

Don't be ridiculous. First of all, @TheLoveBandit is the top dog here and he's the biggest Trump fan there is. I read his posts instead of watching Fox News to keep up with the talking points. ;)

I also don't think JG or anyone else here needs to be coddled and protected. You guys are all about free speech right? If you click on a political thread and post, you ought to be prepared to engage with others who disagree.
 
Look how you all jump on Jgrimes
When someone dresses like a trampoline by using made up controversy to stir the pot whilst ignoring honest facts, don't be surprised when people jump on them.

It's hardly the same debate when one person wants to talk about the trump impeachment and another wants to conspire about how many kiddies Clinton handled.

What thread is this again? Oh yeah, NOT the conspiracy thread.
 
When someone dresses like a trampoline by using made up controversy to stir the pot whilst ignoring honest facts, don't be surprised when people jump on them.

It's hardly the same debate when one person wants to talk about the trump impeachment and another wants to conspire about how many kiddies Clinton handled.

What thread is this again? Oh yeah, NOT the conspiracy thread.

But its not a conspiracy, Clinton was there without his security detail. I would be far more outraged over that than a witch hunt
 
She was intimidated by his tweets, threats on her family’s life and her own by rabid Trump fans, knowing he was behind a smear campaign against her, the personalized attacks on her work during her testimony....he is the leader of the free world, not just some incel.
Her attorneys (plural) aren’t doing this gratis.

Ok, I was asking for examples of threat';s on her family's life and her own by rabid Trump fans. But, I'll not hold you to go fetch what I should be able to find on my own. My point, was that other than Trump's well publicized (and ill thought thru) tweets, I wasn't aware of her (or her family) being threatened, and I didn't get the threats from Trump's quoted tweets either, only that he (in his gawdawful choice of wording) felt she didn't meet his standards for the position.

As to her attorneys, I was asking if she was in court for something. Her presence at the impeachment inquiry obviously calls for her to have legal support, so you're right on that one and I overlooked it assuming the Dems would be covering such things if not outright supplying the legal support directly. Is there anything beyond the impeachment hearings where she is incurring legal debt? That's what I was wondering.

They actually heard both sides of the conversation because Trump was so loud.
You might like to hear how the three of them recall the conversation before you dismiss it.

Fair enough. I'll admit I don't dig into the details for myself and am riding the headlines and sound bites. Good call on your part.
 
This sub forum is really left and when a conservative gives an opinion you want personal details and a lynch mob comes crawling out.
Look how you all jump on Jgrimes

That's a relative position to have. Going by your join date, and assuming you didn't have an account before (and for the benefit of anyone tuning in now), I'll point out that this site has long held a left lean, particularly in this political forum. There have been right leaning voices at times, but generally, being in the minority, the discussions would be tilted, and become more pointed than factual - the point where some accounts were simply trolling, and with that staff patience wore thin, and rightfully so if there were accounts attempting to disrupt rather than hold an honest discussion.

However, a right leaning voice is not to be silenced simply for it's view, only if it is posting for the point of causing issues (ie, re-iterating unproven accusations and opinions, and unwillingness to consider, or even hear, opposing views and facts....I'm tempted to make a parallel with the Dems hunting Trump, but I'll let it go). I avoided this forum for nearly two decades, but I made it a point to join in over the last year to prove the point a right leaning voice CAN be heard, if it engages in honest discussion.

Left voices are still in higher numbers, but I can honestly say they don't simply shout, but are actually trying to engage in honest discussion - to share what they believe, to understand how someone sees or believes the same 'facts' differently, and to hold a discussion where nobody is trying to 'win' so much as be understood and be able to understand others, accepting the two may never meet, but may at least see the other's view.

he's the biggest Trump fan there is. I read his posts instead of watching Fox News to keep up with the talking points. ;)

Woah, woah, woah...'biggest Trump fan'? Lol, I suppose I do have that reputation in this pool of liberals, but that would only be in this small pond. Someone has to pull you lot back towards center before you drive us all off a socialist cliff ;)

I also don't think JG or anyone else here needs to be coddled and protected. You guys are all about free speech right? If you click on a political thread and post, you ought to be prepared to engage with others who disagree.

Buyer beware is the general accepted rule with any internet forum. Anyone can lurk, reading and observing. But if you're willing to jump into the discussion, expect not only to be heard, but challenged - especially if your view is different from the majority. The mods are in place should anyone start moving things in a personal attack direction, but for the most part the members police themselves by what they choose to engage in. Mal's on point with his post.

But its not a conspiracy, Clinton was there without his security detail. I would be far more outraged over that than a witch hunt

Part of what this forum does, under the hard work of the moderator staff, is to police threads so they don't get someone getting into personal attacks - that's simply not on as it does nothing for discussion and may earn the person infractions or suspensions as it disrupts the others trying to hold a discussion point. A second thing they do is keep threads on topic. To me, that's good and bad in that it keeps a particular topic from getting muddied with other talking points (ie, throwing Clinton wrongdoings into a Trump thread) - the topic should stand on it's own merit and be discussed as such (anything Trump does that is wrong, IS WRONG). But it also shunts comparisons that may be valid (Clintons got away with a ton'o'shit under the Dem's watch, and yet Dem's are after Trump for made up reasons - or worse accusations of things the Dem's themselves have done). It is a tough line to walk, but one we trust the mods to determine and police. The members get used to it, and take things to the appropriate threads (there isn't ONE thread for all things), or don't get ruffled if mods remove something (personal attacks) or move it (other thread topic material).
 


Not knowing the rules of Congress....is this really the point? Someone has 'time' and gives it to someone else in their group, and Schiff will only recognize the two committee members to speak? WTF?
 
If trump was visiting pedo island it would still be in the news and you would be more upset then when a Democrat does it.
i'm sorry but you are making an assumption here and you're wrong. i'd be just as upset.

you made a statement that is, to me, an incredibly broad and hyperbolic generalization. suggesting that every single american democrat is the apex of hypocrisy is, i feel, so broad as to be worthless. indeed, i can think of at least one person who's significantly more hypocritical :)

in any case, thanks for answering @Lucy20

alasdair
 
Yeah I gotta say I never got the impression that @TheLoveBandit is a huge trump fan. My impression has generally been that he's more of a moderate. Certainly not a left leaning moderate as I probably am, but a right leaning moderate. Someone who sees no reason to hate trump, but isn't super loyal to him either.

That sound about right tlb?
 
Trump is old news this thread is the first time ive heard him being actively discussed in a while and no yoda^ trump is a typica l anti drug douche even the tories take a bit of coke/opium to relax them before their speeches

So did Otto von Bismarck (mainlining Miss Emma before every speech) William Wilberforce (various whole opium products), a bunch of French and Austro-Hungarian politicians (mainly Miss Emma and C-Jam) and I imagine maybe 90 per cent of other politicians of the XIX. Century . . . I wonder how different things would be if the monorchid with the toothbrush moustache started on opium, morphine, smack, codeine, DHC, dihydromorphine &c, in 1908 or so rather than being introduced to Oxy, Crank, and C-Jam by his physician starting after he was already Chancellor of Germany for three years I think it was . . . also Bonaparte took opium up the arse and they captured Hermann Göring with the entire world supply of DHC amongst other things with him

Maybe that is the whole thing with Trump -- maybe the White House doctor should have him take a couple of Reds and some Synalgos DC or Vikes at bedtime instead of sleeping two hours each night and being up bright and early on Twitter . . . maybe a dose of methadone that would knock him on his arse for 18 hours would reset things too? An ibogaine pizza? Back in the 1970s and 1980s, didn't he travel in the NYC social circles which were the most tuned in to the Disco Biscuit and C-Jam scene?
 
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I just find at this point beyond an expert on International Law saying there was a crime committed, there's not much there. Its sort of an airing of grievances by the Dems and the Right-wing on TV. Is it simply a smokescreen for the pervading dread of Winter?
 
the impeachment proceedings are intricately tied with Ukraine and the perception of or wish for there to be misconduct from the bidens (the alleged misconduct being something trump has been doing for years), so such discussions are appropriate here
 
That you jump on trump for less then you would a Democrat. If trump was visiting pedo island it would still be in the news and you would be more upset then when a Democrat does it.
This sub forum is really left and when a conservative gives an opinion you want personal details and a lynch mob comes crawling out.
Look how you all jump on Jgrimes

And I'm not even a conservative. I just put truth before tribe, where most people do the opposite
 
I also don't think JG or anyone else here needs to be coddled and protected. You guys are all about free speech right? If you click on a political thread and post, you ought to be prepared to engage with others who disagree.

I actually do need some coddling and protecting. Even us conspiracy theorists have feelings, and I'm up against a lot here going into the trenches against so many devout lefties.

I mean I was right about Epstein and I still can't get my pizzagate/pedogate thread re-opened.
 
I actually do need some coddling and protecting. Even us conspiracy theorists have feelings, and I'm up against a lot here going into the trenches against so many devout lefties.

I mean I was right about Epstein and I still can't get my pizzagate/pedogate thread re-opened.

Why do you still complain about "all the lefties" here? I probably would've sympathized with you a few years ago but not today.

I'm triggered just thinking about all the Trump lovers reading this post right now.
 
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