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Ronan Farrow says Harvey Weinstein used his relationship with Hillary Clinton to try to kill his exposé about the now-disgraced movie producer

In a bid to kill Ronan Farrow's exposé on the sexual misconduct allegations against him, Harvey Weinstein reportedly reached out to his good friend Hillary Clinton.

In Farrow's upcoming book "Catch and Kill" — which The Hollywood Reporter obtained a preview copy of — the journalist reveals an email he received from Clinton's publicist, Nick Merrill, in 2017.

It came as he was working on his Weinstein exposé and trying to land an interview with Clinton for a different book he was writing on foreign policy.

In the email, Farrow said Merrill told him that the "big story" he was working on was a "concern for us."

Weinstein, a major Democratic Party donor, gave Clinton more than $26,000 in contributions since her initial Senate run in 2000, according to the Federal Election Commission.

Five days after The New York Times investigation on the movie producer's sexual misconduct was published in October 2017, Clinton issued a statement decrying his behavior.

"I was shocked and appalled by the revelations about Harvey Weinstein," the statement read."The behavior described by women coming forward cannot be tolerated. Their courage and the support of others is critical in helping to stop this kind of behavior."

She later said on CNN that she would donate the campaign contributions she received from Weinstein to charity.

The stories launched the #MeToo movement, and Weinstein was fired from the production company he founded and shunned from Hollywood.

Farrow's book, "Catch and Kill: Lies, Spies, and a Conspiracy to Protect Predators," is coming out on October 15.
 
Grimes, I for one could hardly care less what some guy on YouTube thinks.

I've seen what Clinton said, and it's my impression between the context and sheer reality that she has no real intention of running again.

I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. But for now I'm not at all concerned. And believe me if she were running I would be concerned, because I want trump out of office and I somewhat blame clintons campaign for his election to begin with
 
I don't know why you are infatuated and distracted by a politician that isn't even active anymore, when we have a president that is destroying Americas global influence and alliances. He is definitely the worst president we have ever had. He is making America look disgraceful to the whole world.
 
I don't know why you are infatuated and distracted by a politician that isn't even active anymore, when we have a president that is destroying Americas global influence and alliances. He is definitely the worst president we have ever had. He is making America look disgraceful to the whole world.

I totally agree. But we shouldn't let Clinton off the hook, either. She was a US senator and Secretary of State. She should be held accountable like any other public figure.
 
They can do whatever they want to Clinton. I don't care. I just want Trump out of office. There is nothing funny about Trump's foreign policy. Only a fool would laugh at the three ring circus that this clown of a president is leading. I can't even take the people who still support him seriously.
 
You're right, there is nothing funny about de-escalating conflicts and not starting any new wars. If you have a serious problem with Trump's foreign policy, and don't think that it's better than what Obama/Bush engaged in, then you are an irrational Trump-hater and will disapprove of literally anything he does.

Grimes, I for one could hardly care less what some guy on YouTube thinks.
I for one could hardly care less about what you think about him, especially because that video uses footage of quotes directly from Hillary Clinton. It's really telling how you group everyone on youtube together. You simply do not like Mark Dice, because there are a ton of people on Youtube that you would believe and fawn over. Youtube has many MSM channels and videos from across the political spectrum. Also there are betting lines open on Clinton which means bookies are taking it seriously, so it's more than a possibility.

I've seen what Clinton said, and it's my impression between the context and sheer reality that she has no real intention of running again.
I don't put much faith into your ability to assess the reality of political situations based on conversations we've had before and your resistance to evidence that counters what you believe. She definitely wants to run again to get revenge on Trump and reach her ultimate destiny of becoming POTUS. She's still saying that she beat him lol..

I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. But for now I'm not at all concerned. And believe me if she were running I would be concerned, because I want trump out of office and I somewhat blame clintons campaign for his election to begin with
Well it says a lot that Clinton still has a better chance than most of the Democratic candidates. Sad.
 
Uhh, she did beat him. By 3 million votes.

She didn't win the election, and I'm not saying that the system should be different so that she would have, but in terms of getting more votes, she did beat him.
 
Uhh, she did beat him. By 3 million votes.
That's not how the decision is decided. If the popular vote decided the winner then Trump would've campaigned differently and could have won the popular vote by pandering to a few cities with large populations.

She's delusional.
 
Rose McGowan rips Hillary Clinton over ties to 'predators' Bill Clinton, Harvey Weinstein

Rose McGowan called out Hillary Clinton last week over a report that Clinton's publicist told journalist Ronan Farrow that his investigation into Harvey Weinstein's alleged history of sexual misconduct was "a concern" for the Clinton camp.

“I knew that Hillary Clinton’s people, were protecting the Monster,” McGowan wrote, referring to Weinstein. “I can’t believe I used to support her. I guess predators are her style.”

"Oh so now @rosemcgowan is calling out Hillary Clinton, LMFAO! Rose is a total fraud! She knew for years that Hillary Clinton protected pedophiles & rapists; yet, she STILL continued to support her. She admits it herself!"
 
^ you'l have to ask shimmer fade, i was just noting your avoidance of the request for a source.

"Seems like wildly dishonest speculation" - when you bdon't support your claims with evidence, it does. i've lost track of which bit of dishonest speculation on your part he was referring to.


-------why? we're talking about trump. stop changing the subject.------ The repeated statement that they said then and still say now.. They might actually find something.. Actually, they know that when they're investigated, the truth will surface. Always using deflection and distraction to sway people. confuse and mislead... That's all they are good at doing.


now - regarding these "fire and fury" comments about North Korea.
how's trump going as a peacemaker diplomat? seems to be stumbling into nuclear holocaust.

this is just great, thanks for electing a braindead mutant, america ------Hater... clearly.

You're right, there is nothing funny about de-escalating conflicts and not starting any new wars. If you have a serious problem with Trump's foreign policy, and don't think that it's better than what Obama/Bush engaged in, then you are an irrational Trump-hater and will disapprove of literally anything he does.


I for one could hardly care less about what you think about him, especially because that video uses footage of quotes directly from Hillary Clinton. It's really telling how you group everyone on youtube together. You simply do not like Mark Dice, because there are a ton of people on Youtube that you would believe and fawn over. Youtube has many MSM channels and videos from across the political spectrum. Also there are betting lines open on Clinton which means bookies are taking it seriously, so it's more than a possibility.

I don't put much faith into your ability to assess the reality of political situations based on conversations we've had before and your resistance to evidence that counters what you believe. She definitely wants to run again to get revenge on Trump and reach her ultimate destiny of becoming POTUS. She's still saying that she beat him lol..

Well it says a lot that Clinton still has a better chance than most of the Democratic candidates. Sad.
No mater what Trump does. He will be hated. Hmmmm.. I think it's what Michael Savage calls a mental disorder ?

And yes, Clinton does have a better chance than any of the democrat candidates they currently have.. But if she did run, she'd lose...........AGAIN. lol
 
I don't put much faith into your ability to assess the reality of political situations based on conversations we've had before and your resistance to evidence that counters what you believe.

This sentence sums up exactly how I feel about you.

De-escalating situations?? Are you even watching the news in Syria. A plan had been put in place, which contained Isis and stabilized the region with limited US troop involvement, using kurdish forces, who were straight up lied to and left out to dry by the US. Who will believe the US and work with us in the future, when we betray our word? The consequences of this situation are yet to be fulfilled. Stay Tuned.....

What situation has he deescalated? The one that is still simmering in Iran, which he himself helped to create by backing out of the nuclear deal and reinstating harsher sanctions, while repeatedly lying that Obama gave them $150 billion dollars for nothing, as if Obama flew $150 billion over in a plane. The money was their own frozen assets and the deal was approved by six other countries and the European Union but wait!! Your proud of this because global cooperation with allies, which has been one our strength for years, doesn't put "America first" right?What does that show to the rest of the world, who negotiates with America? Do we keep our agreements? This situation is yet to be fulfilled. Stay Tuned.....

Instead of cooperation, Trump would rather go around insulting all our traditional allies and starting economic warfare with our trade partners and has accomplished nothing in doing so but further isolating us and making us look unreliable and untrustworthy.

He may have a better foreign policy than Bush... but that's debatable. Especially if given another 4yrs and the consequences of his actions play out over time.

The fact that you see all people, who don't approve of Trumps handling of the presidents seat, as being "irrational Trump hater's", shows how unbending and politically blinded you actually are. I almost voted for Trump but decided not to vote at the last minute due to serious questions about his character, so I have actually formed my opinion about Trump through his actions over time, and more and more people, who voted for him now realize it for the mistake it was. You however have slowly begun to realize that you have some doubts about his handling of the presidency but still ardently defend him and aggressively deflect current events by pursuing his former political rivals with the gusto of a blind, deaf, ostrich with racing blinders on. Kinda like an irrational Trump supporter that will overlook everything he does and support any irrational deflection and attacks he proposes against all those, who dare to question any of his actions.
 
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This sentence sums up exactly how I feel about you.
OK lol. Well your opinions are also terrible and heavily influenced by Leftist propaganda so I'm not surprised by this.

De-escalating situations?? Are you even watching the news in Syria. A plan had been put in place, which contained Isis and stabilized the region with limited US troop involvement, using kurdish forces, who were straight up lied to and left out to dry by the US. Who will believe the US and work with us in the future, when we betray our word? The consequences of this situation are yet to be fulfilled. Stay Tuned.....
Where are you getting your Syria news from? Hopefully not ABC who were just caught out lying and emotionally manipulating the public. I can tell you have a pretty limited and propagandized understanding of the situation there, but please tell me how evil Trump is for abandoning the Kurds, even though he's fulfilling his promise of removing US troops from situations that they shouldn't be involved in. BTW the only reason that you actually (pretend to) care about the Kurds is because they are supported by Israel in order to destabilize the sovereignty of the countries that they reside in.

What situation has he deescalated?
He de-escalated the North Korea situation. At the end of Obama's reign NK were threatening to send nuke-tipped ballistic missiles to the US mainland and they were firing missiles over Japanes airspace. Since then they've stopped, blown up a testing site, and Trump was the only President in recent history to meet with the NK leader, plus he facilitated improving relations between NK/SK (Trump even stepped over the DMZ zone). Obama didn't do any of these things because he's far more fucking useless, in fact he made the situation far worse than when he came into office.

Trump also cut CIA funding for Syrian terrorists.

while repeatedly lying that Obama gave them $150 billion dollars for nothing, as if Obama flew $150 billion over in a plane.
This actually happened. He flew them pallets of cash and didn't get congressional approval. Shows how little you know.

He may have a better foreign policy than Bush... but that's debatable.
The fact you think this is "debatable" shows how little you know or how disingenuous you're being. Dubya Bush is responsible for the deaths of over 1 million Iraqis, including 500,00 women and children. He started the Afghan and Iraqi wars, based on lies and false pretexts. How many wars has Trump started? Or is he just cleaning up the mess left to him by Bush and Obomber?

The fact that you see all people, who don't approve of Trumps handling of the presidents seat, as being "irrational Trump hater's", shows how unbending and politically blinded you actually are.
Nope, not all. If someone has legitimate (and non-hypocritical) policy-based criticisms for Trump then I can consider them rational and informed. And I'm sure I can even agree with them on some things (I'm not even that big of a Trump supporter). I'm not going to defend Trump just for the sake of it - but if someone is talking complete nonsense out of their ass and actively lying or bending the truth to attack Trump - then I'll defend reality.
 
OK lol. Well your opinions are also terrible and heavily influenced by Leftist propaganda so I'm not surprised by this.

Where are you getting your Syria news from? Hopefully not ABC who were just caught out lying and emotionally manipulating the public. I can tell you have a pretty limited and propagandized understanding of the situation there, but please tell me how evil Trump is for abandoning the Kurds, even though he's fulfilling his promise of removing US troops from situations that they shouldn't be involved in. BTW the only reason that you actually (pretend to) care about the Kurds is because they are supported by Israel in order to destabilize the sovereignty of the countries that they reside in.

He de-escalated the North Korea situation. At the end of Obama's reign NK were threatening to send nuke-tipped ballistic missiles to the US mainland and they were firing missiles over Japanes airspace. Since then they've stopped, blown up a testing site, and Trump was the only President in recent history to meet with the NK leader, plus he facilitated improving relations between NK/SK (Trump even stepped over the DMZ zone). Obama didn't do any of these things because he's far more fucking useless, in fact he made the situation far worse than when he came into office.

Trump also cut CIA funding for Syrian terrorists.

This actually happened. He flew them pallets of cash and didn't get congressional approval. Shows how little you know.

The fact you think this is "debatable" shows how little you know or how disingenuous you're being. Dubya Bush is responsible for the deaths of over 1 million Iraqis, including 500,00 women and children. He started the Afghan and Iraqi wars, based on lies and false pretexts. How many wars has Trump started? Or is he just cleaning up the mess left to him by Bush and Obomber?

Nope, not all. If someone has legitimate (and non-hypocritical) policy-based criticisms for Trump then I can consider them rational and informed. And I'm sure I can even agree with them on some things (I'm not even that big of a Trump supporter). I'm not going to defend Trump just for the sake of it - but if someone is talking complete nonsense out of their ass and actively lying or bending the truth to attack Trump - then I'll defend reality.

I am getting my news from all news reports of what is going on in Syria.... like ALL news reports combined. You think everything is propaganda. Korea is not de-escalated. They have accomplished what they needed to do, which was build an inter continental ballistic missile, which they did.... On Trumps watch.... If you want to get technical.. and they are still building missiles. Nothing has been done. North Korea is still North Korea. It's naive to think Trump has done anything to deter them.

Bush was a horrible president and it is debatable but Trump's actions are just beginning to show there consequences and they will have broader consequences for America in the future. I wouldn't give him another 4 years. He has done just as much if not more to damage the reputation of America in the global community and the vacuum he is leaving will turn into the biggest mistake he ever made.

Obomeber...... Lol.....Obama inherited Bush's mess, who was voted in by the same group of nutbags that spawned the Trump presidency. Who did you vote for during the Bush elections? The fact that the republican party sold out for Trump is disgraceful. I think Obama did a decent job with all he had to face, with the economic collapse and the multitude of wars. The money flown to Iran was not the stated amount and it was their own frozen assets.

To say you aren't that big of a Trump supporter is disingenuous and hypocritical. You are on here everyday arguing with everyone in support of Trump. You have been riding the Trump train since day one. Your vision of reality is beyond debatable, what with all the conspiracy nonsense and disinformation you spread... I don't even have time for this because there is obviously a vast chasm between our view of events and the world is awash with disinformation and a battle for what is the truth at the moment. You believe all news outlets are propaganda except your fringe sources. You have been on here talking deep state nonsense and Qanan bullshit, while throwing subterfuge and deflection but totally ignoring anything improper that Trump has done for as long as I can remember...... You sir are undebatable.

I'm done and actually done with this site politically. I will cast my voice were at counts. I'm done talking to walls.
 
Yeah its probably healthy to not spend time arguing about politics if it makes you angry.

While it's out of line to expect anyone to bend their views online because you don't agree with them and walking away as because of one person's stance is a bit silly, seems that Trump has had this affect on things and not even in a thread about him.

I don't like Trump or Clinton.


Politics itself gets mundane and petty but do like some people who tend to spend time here, some people are fucking cool and interesting. Hope you reconsider as you rock it in SLR in particular, there's far more things to do than get stressed about politicians.


Hilary is old news tbh but whatever, I'm bored enough to read about her so.
 
You want to play blind man, go walk with the shepherd... but me, my eyes are wide fucking open.

Wide open to what may I ask and what "shephard" do you think I am following? That is a rather ambiguous statement. The guy from New Zealand, that hates America, is all onboard with your message. That about says it all for me.

What exactly is the deep state to you? The CIA, FBI, Department of Homeland Security and other intel agencies that provide a vast network of information to inform policy, direct US foreign plan, strategy and provide continuity. The same intel agencies every prosperous nation utilizes and employs. The same intel agencies Trump attacks and constantly expresses disdain for? How much control do you think this "deep state" has on US policy? What is the deep states agenda and how does it conflict with the betterment of the United States of America? When the deep state is abolished(it is your desire...no?) what will provide continuity for US foreign policy, in a democracy that changes leadership every 4-8yrs. Do you want an authoritarian president( inept), that perhaps serves for life, like the type our founding fathers feared and tried to provide constitutional boundaries to prevent? I'm just curious.

I would rather not hand complete control over to a president that changes every 4-8yrs without some form of "deep state" to provide intel, aid and help protect US interests and against possible presidential corruption, especially a president who doesn't even like to read briefings, distrusts US intelligence and is as impulsive as Trump. You would really rather follow the direction of a man, who just got involved in US policy, failed at business and has spent the last 10yrs playing a business mogul on the apprentice than those who have spent their whole lives in the planning and directing of US foreign policy and have intimate knowledge and experience in foreign affairs? I understand how many are skeptical and cynical about the intelligence community and the "deep state" because Bush used the intel networks community to falsify information in order to manipulate congress and involve us and our allies in a costly, unwinnable, protracted war that has had disastrous consequences in the Middle East and for the integrity of the US but I think it's foolish to follow the complete directive of a man, who has alienated all our allies, questions the usefulness of NATO, weakened our influence in the world, denies and ignores the fact Russia interfered in our elections, while repeatedly aiding them through his policy decisions.
I don't agree with the titles premise but the content in regard to aiding Russia, whether intentional or not is true and I believe this is Trumps greatest folly, as he further miscalculates Russia's desire to expand its global influence and its threat to America and our interests.

I don't for second believe the new narrative being pushed of a friendly Russia. In fact our "deep state" has recently issued a report and warning(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiBsK71zKDlAhVKq1kKHbaoBKkQFjAKegQIAxAB&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/01/pentagon-report-u-s-failing-to-combat-russias-dangerous-global-influence/&usg=AOvVaw2o0rvnPLmtX7ANxlC6Al7r).

The fact that they meddled in our elections to elect Trump is a direct attack on our democracy and very telling. They have been attempting to undermine America, NATO and Europe for some time and their move into Ukraine was the first direct move on expansion into Europe. When Biden threatened to withhold aid it was in the interest of routing out corruption and weakening Russia's hold on Ukraine and not the narrative of helping out his son. It in fact would have made the investigation more likely into the Ukrainian gas company that Trevor Biden held a board position with, in which he didn't even do anything illegal and the move by Biden was backed by the European Union and the International Monetary Fund, where as Trump's with holding was for personal gain in advancing his election bid(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUyM7x0aDlAhVIuVkKHd6vD7EQFjABegQIAhAB&url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/&usg=AOvVaw3V5V7E-WD_xxQO1bq11gHu).

They are trying to influence European elections and the fact that people do not see this as a threat to democracy and our broader interests is very alarming to me(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj0kqDyz6DlAhWqxFkKHRpqCiwQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https://www.dw.com/en/russia-trying-to-meddle-in-eu-elections-report/a-48318678&usg=AOvVaw2V0Bj1Tksjn6kYUZ2Nq-P7).

They have also undermined our sanctions against Venezuela and have sent in mercenaries to prop Maduro.





To me you are blind as a bat.......
 
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Hilary is old news tbh but whatever, I'm bored enough to read about her so.

If someone murdered one of your family members and were never caught, and after some time I said that it was "old news" I think you might disagree with that sentiment.

To me you are blind as a bat.......

Israel controls much of your US policy. They even admit it and boast about it, but you've been programmed to not only not believe it, but also be petrified of being labeled a bigot just for entertaining the idea or looking into it. In Australia you cannot serve in parliament if you hold any dual-citizenship. Did you know that in the USA, members of Congress and the Executive do not even need to disclose whether they hold dual citizenship with another country? So then in that case, how do you really know that your highest government officials are working in the best interests of the American people? (spoiler alert: they're not).

If you want to work out basically anything related to politics, you do two things:

1. Ask yourself "who benefits?" (cui bono)

2. Follow the money.

It's that simple, but you really have to be open to re-thinking anything that you've been led to believe previously, even if it makes you extremely uncomfortable.
 
Yeah its probably healthy to not spend time arguing about politics if it makes you angry.

While it's out of line to expect anyone to bend their views online because you don't agree with them and walking away as because of one person's stance is a bit silly, seems that Trump has had this affect on things and not even in a thread about him.

I don't like Trump or Clinton.


Politics itself gets mundane and petty but do like some people who tend to spend time here, some people are fucking cool and interesting. Hope you reconsider as you rock it in SLR in particular, there's far more things to do than get stressed about politicians.


Hilary is old news tbh but whatever, I'm bored enough to read about her so.

Thanks for saying I rock in SLR. You have no idea how much that comment means to me, as helping people there is usually my number one priority on this site and you have now motivated me to step up my efforts in that particular forum.

I was really walking away from this forum and that particular exchange and not BL entirely because I see debating old Grimey as being a general waste of time because he never concedes anything but I was considering walking away from BL for a variety reasons but your statement has made me realize I do serve a purpose here.

I was a little upset because my posts in this forum received no interests except from the guy from New Zealand, who I actually like and respect from the psychedelic forum, told me that he basically hates America and admitted he trusts Iran and Russia more than the US, then promptly put up the stupid little laugh emoticons on my statements...lol.... and Grimey, who thinks everything is leftist propaganda "fake news" and ignores anything his guy Trump does by deflection and misdirection.

I was really just having a bad day and needed to lighten up but really that statement was one the coolest things anybody on this site has ever said to me. That small piece of recognition means the world to me.
 
It actually makes sense to trust Iran and Russia more than the US right now, and this is coming from someone who loves the United States and is an American dual-citizen.

Just because you point out the depths that the US has sunk to, doesn't mean that you hate the country/people or that you do not want them to succeed.
It's more like an intervention.
 
If someone murdered one of your family members and were never caught, and after some time I said that it was "old news" I think you might disagree with that sentiment.



Israel controls much of your US policy. They even admit it and boast about it, but you've been programmed to not only not believe it, but also be petrified of being labeled a bigot just for entertaining the idea or looking into it. In Australia you cannot serve in parliament if you hold any dual-citizenship. Did you know that in the USA, members of Congress and the Executive do not even need to disclose whether they hold dual citizenship with another country? So then in that case, how do you really know that your highest government officials are working in the best interests of the American people? (spoiler alert: they're not).

If you want to work out basically anything related to politics, you do two things:

1. Ask yourself "who benefits?" (cui bono)

2. Follow the money.

It's that simple, but you really have to be open to re-thinking anything that you've been led to believe previously, even if it makes you extremely uncomfortable.

Did you really read anything I posted or look at any of the articles?

Israel is extremely strategic to the US and our allies due to the Suez Canal and our interest with the movement of oil, Saudi Arabia(OPEC) and the dollar being held as a reserve currency. We are absolutely not controlled by Israel, as in they only benefit.
 
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