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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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Seriously though can I get a time machine and a quarter pound of crystal meth for HILLARY and just alter history

I think we'd be better off

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When you're so high on meth you DGAF because know you are morally superior in every way (this was her idea for art: BEAUTIFUL better than the Clinton in a dress thing Epstein had)

Trump's idea of art is, after all, a golden toilet (do not forget this Pynchonian fear he has)

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"America"
 
One guy suggests...

If ever there was an example of just accepting everything and anything that aligns with your preferred beliefs...
lol nice re-framing of someone's testimony that doesn't align with your preferred beliefs... talk about projection. This is from a HARVARD PhD HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER. It's nice to see someone care more about the truth than their political affiliation (something severely lacking around here).

Either the elections legit or it isn't. If it isn't, he shouldn't be president at all. If it is, he fell short by 3 million votes.
Well, was it legit? If so, those 3 million votes are still irrelevant because of how the electoral system works, you know that Jess. So first of all it's nonsensical to say that Trump is illegitimate because of that, and then it's also quite silly to ignore any evidence of voter/electoral fraud. Must just be a coincidence that the extra votes came from California. Sorry Hillary, if you get another chance try to rig it better next time (btw I've said since the election that I believe Trump won the popular vote too - let's keep an eye on that story).

To pretend there isn’t media strongly biased towards Trump is delusional.
Fox News showing a modicum of fairness to Trump isn't a strong bias. Ask Shepherd Smith and a few other Fox anchors what they think of Trump? Because the liberal media (the vast majority of the news channels) are so irrationally and rabidly anti-Trump, they make Fox News look like Trump apologists just for giving him a fair shake. But no, the partisan bias in media cannot come even close to being compared.

Plenty of conservative media outlets did the whole sky is falling crap when Obama was elected likes claiming he was the most liberal president ever, was going to take our guns, launch a socialist take over of health care that forced euthanasia on grandma and grandpa, was anti christian and anti-christmas, ect. Some were calling for his impeachment 1 week into his first term
There was definitely some extreme anti-Obama rhetoric from some conservative outlets, but that pales in comparison to the ass-kissing that the Liberal media engaged in. Also in general Obama featured MUCH MUCH less in the news cycle than Trump does. Maybe some of us have short memories, but that is an undeniable fact.
 
if it’s an undeniable fact then it should be the easiest thing to prove, right? so prove it.
This is just the most basic of the obvious. I notice that you often request that I confirm ridiculously obvious realities, which doesn't surprise me since it's either pestering me or you are genuinely unaware of what I'm saying.

But if you think the media and political discourse featured Obama just as much as Trump, well.... I don't know what to say to you alasdairm.



I couldn't find anything for frequency of media mentions, but if you are able to lemme know cheers.
 
"it's obvious" isn't proof of anything. seriously, you know this.

you made a specific, measurable claim which, yet again, you can't or won't substantiate.

alasdair
 
CHINA (x 10,000,000)

[thinks no one can hear him] CALLS CHINA

prepare for IMPEACHMENT

p.s. CNN did an analysis of the surge of calls for IMPEACHMENT of AMERICANS

Dems DID NOT INCREASE; Libs/Independents/Repubs DID

We are WAKING UP (some of us like me never went to sleep ;)) AND WE WANT OUR DEMOCRACY BACK DAMN IT
 
@JGrimez, if you believe there was voter fraud, and you still support trump remaining president, then that says a hell of a lot.

If there's fraud in an election, the entire election has to be redone. You don't just take it upon yourself to decide what the answer should or would have been without fraud.

So, if there was indeed fraud, that's all the more reason trumps gotta go.
 
Everything the dems accuse Trump of doing is what they have done and are doing. Thing is, in the end the truth will surface and everyone will see them for who they really are.
 
@JGrimez, if you believe there was voter fraud, and you still support trump remaining president, then that says a hell of a lot.

If there's fraud in an election, the entire election has to be redone. You don't just take it upon yourself to decide what the answer should or would have been without fraud.

So, if there was indeed fraud, that's all the more reason trumps gotta go.

lol I love your twisted logic..... You didn't say "we need to thoroughly, transparently and independently investigate electoral fraud" no, it's "we need to get rid of Trump!". You do a bad job at pretending to not be a rabid Trump-hater.

Not sure if you understood but I believe the fraud was tipped towards Clinton (which is why so many people were so certain that she was going to win).
 
Everything the dems accuse Trump of doing is what they have done and are doing. Thing is, in the end the truth will surface and everyone will see them for who they really are.

I'm really tired of this excuse. Mainly this underlying suggestion it seems to involve where of the democrats do it that makes it OK for the Republicans.

It doesn't, it makes both wrong, and it means both should be brought down. Not neither.

I would be extremely happy to see a serious prolonged and independent investigation into both sides. Starting at the top and working down.
 
lol I love your twisted logic..... You didn't say "we need to thoroughly, transparently and independently investigate electoral fraud" no, it's "we need to get rid of Trump!". You do a bad job at pretending to not be a rabid Trump-hater.

Not sure if you understood but I believe the fraud was tipped towards Clinton (which is why so many people were so certain that she was going to win).

What pretending? I'm always saying how much I hate trump.

And I don't care what way the fraud was tipped. If there was fraud of any kind, then trumps gotta go and the election redone.

If he wins again he can serve the rest of his term. But just letting him stay when you think there was fraud in the election says you have no respect for America's democracy.

If the election was not conducted fairly and honestly, then the results can't be used. That you think you should get to just assume the correct result and run with it shows very clearly that you don't take the idea of fair elections seriously at all.

If you did, you should be arguing that there should be a new election to put to rest any doubts about trumps legitimacy.
 
When you're so high on meth you DGAF because know you are morally superior in every way

That describes Adolf Hitler. His doctors injected him with cocktails of drugs throughout the day... meth was in the morning is what I seem to recall (and makes sense).

Fox News showing a modicum of fairness to Trump isn't a strong bias. Ask Shepherd Smith and a few other Fox anchors what they think of Trump? Because the liberal media (the vast majority of the news channels) are so irrationally and rabidly anti-Trump, they make Fox News look like Trump apologists just for giving him a fair shake. But no, the partisan bias in media cannot come even close to being compared.

I totally agree with you that the news media is rabidly against Trump. But of course at this point ALL they care about is a story. It's become like those stupid gossip mags that when I realize someone is actually into them and believes them, I feel sorry for them. Trump is the amazing at drawing attention to himself, and the media is leaping on everything. "The daily stupid Trump tweets!" Sometimes they're fucking dumb and sometimes it's like, shut the fuck up guys, this is stupid. But people get outraged at all of it. It's dangerous. But it's not a problem unique to Trump (and I think Trump wants the attention a lot of the time, he does this shit on purpose, it was his tactic even before he ran for president). The media is eager to point and shout at famous people. It's just crossing over into politics now too. AOC gets in bad. Hillary had it very bad.

That aside, Trump definitely gets it the worst. But there is a reason for that. It's because many Americans watch his actions and mannerisms and lies and then reversing and pretending he never lied, and realize that this is a horrifying thing, that we've gotten to this point. And it's easy to put it all on Trump and the MAGA crowd, even though our situation is the fault of all of us as a whole. And getting enraged at Trump and a whole group of people is the crux of our problem. The media is enflaming this toxic hyperpartisan divide on purpose because it sells.

That's not to say that Trump isn't ridiculous, though. So much material, worth making fun of, but the news shouldn't get into that, leave it to the people and the comedians.

I have come to realize the media treats Trump unfairly, and like the playground bully, he eggs them on when he puffs up and can't handle criticism because of narcissism. So he gets 24/7 insulting coverage. However it's also important we hold him accountable for his actions, so some of that is valid. A lot of my opinion and visceral judge of Trump's character is when I get to watch him talk to the audience during rallies, or give speeches (but especially at the rallies). It's obviously what kind of man he is by watching him. Yeah a lot of people just read headline and are like "OMG our president, like, sucks Britney", but observing a person, watching their face, their eyes, and their words, it tells you a lot. And I have never wanted a man like that leading the country, and my feeling has turned out to be right so far, since all but a few of his policies and actions I have disagreed with.

I don't think Trump's the devil incarnate, at all. He's a born-rich, spoiled brat who doesn't understand anything about normal peoples' lives, who has narcissistic personality disorder, like clinical, I am so sure of it, having known one intimately. He is not looking out for the country. He's looking out for himself, period. The presidency is just a way for him to get more famous. He wants everyone to know, love and revere him, to consider him the best at everything and the smartest. The sheer number of times he has displayed these characteristics makes me sure of it. And you cannot rely on a narcissist. And you certainly shouldn't put one in a position where they're responsible for 360 million people.

Also in general Obama featured MUCH MUCH less in the news cycle than Trump does. Maybe some of us have short memories, but that is an undeniable fact.

Yes, because Obama acts like a normal human being and doesn't, for example, make concerning or confusing tweets every day, or shockingly admit to things, or have a really dysfunctional white house with people quitting left and right and tell stories about it. There is a basis for reporting on unbelievable stuff Trump does because he does a lot of it. He lives for the attention, like I said, and I will freely admit this is educated speculation with no proof, I think a lot of it was either invited intentionally or he was even in cahoots... he's a very successful advertiser of himself.

Obama wanted to go where he was going and not get noticed. He was charming and gracious when people would start fanboying out. He didn't do any ridiculous shit, he put his head down and did the work. For him, it was not about the stardom, in fact my guess is he didn't like that part of it (I sure as fuck wouldn't)

Everything the dems accuse Trump of doing is what they have done and are doing. Thing is, in the end the truth will surface and everyone will see them for who they really are.

In the end, or actually, well before the end, I truly hope we can all realize that the DNC and the RNC (establishment politicians) are all on the same side. They're working for the corporations. They're creating drama and division on purpose so we can all spend our time and effort being angry at our fellow Americans and fail to notice as our quality of life keeps slipping away
 
I'm really tired of this excuse. Mainly this underlying suggestion it seems to involve where of the democrats do it that makes it OK for the Republicans.

It doesn't, it makes both wrong, and it means both should be brought down. Not neither.

I would be extremely happy to see a serious prolonged and independent investigation into both sides. Starting at the top and working down.
It's going to happen and people will be found to be guilty of terrible things that are heinous with using their positions of power to get rid of someone they want out of the white house so they can get in.. Trump is in the clear, but the other ones... not so much. They are terrified at this point and they should be because they're going to lose the election and it's not going to be close either. The investigation will show everything. But do investigations really matter to the dems though? They are still spewing that there was collusion rather than seeing things for what they are. They're pathetic at this point.
One day (like 20 years from now) when people look back at these years we are living in now, It's going to be crystal. People can't see a lot of things because of the flawed media, shit reporting and noise. But there will be a day, when there will be no more confusion. Everything will be laid out just as it has happened and people will see and believe the truth (not deny it).
This administration has been through hell; it's disgusting what the left say and do to people that are trying to get things done to better the country. Chatter chatter NOISE. They sadly bring nothing to the table. The democrat party have buried themselves and there will be no resurrection for a long time. and the losers that can't get over the loss will have everything that they've done to try to regain power, written clearly in history for all to see and know. What an embarrassment it will be for them. And for President Trump... gosh that man will be said to be one of the best presidents of all time for making our country better while getting verbally spit on every single day regardless of all the good he's done. It takes one strong person to put up with all that garbage that he has had to endure, and then do it again for another 4. God bless Donald Trump and give him strength to continue.
 
That describes Adolf Hitler. His doctors injected him with cocktails of drugs throughout the day... meth was in the morning is what I seem to recall (and makes sense).
It is likely Hitler did not think of absolute morality in terms of black and white, thereby justifying his behavior in an amoral sense. "Morality" as pushed by the Third Reich was basically just to affect control/change. Hillary knows she's morally superior to someone like Trump was my implication.
 
It's going to happen and people will be found to be guilty of terrible things that are heinous with using their positions of power to get rid of someone they want out of the white house so they can get in.. Trump is in the clear, but the other ones... not so much. They are terrified at this point and they should be because they're going to lose the election and it's not going to be close either. The investigation will show everything. But do investigations really matter to the dems though? They are still spewing that there was collusion rather than seeing things for what they are. They're pathetic at this point.
One day (like 20 years from now) when people look back at these years we are living in now, It's going to be crystal. People can't see a lot of things because of the flawed media, shit reporting and noise. But there will be a day, when there will be no more confusion. Everything will be laid out just as it has happened and people will see and believe the truth (not deny it).
This administration has been through hell; it's disgusting what the left say and do to people that are trying to get things done to better the country. Chatter chatter NOISE. They sadly bring nothing to the table. The democrat party have buried themselves and there will be no resurrection for a long time. and the losers that can't get over the loss will have everything that they've done to try to regain power, written clearly in history for all to see and know. What an embarrassment it will be for them. And for President Trump... gosh that man will be said to be one of the best presidents of all time for making our country better while getting verbally spit on every single day regardless of all the good he's done. It takes one strong person to put up with all that garbage that he has had to endure, and then do it again for another 4. God bless Donald Trump and give him strength to continue.

Trump will NOT be in the clear.

It is totally corrupt to make a de facto quid quo pro deal with foreign countries to try and find dirt on domestic political enemies.

It's completely corrupt and unacceptable. And it's not something up for debate. We have the transcripts, and as much as trump fans want to pretend that it's totally fine. It absolutely IS NOT.

The president has no business asking foreign leaders for help investigating domestic political rivals.

It's abuse of office.

And hardly for the first time. The typical retort is that he "has to" do this because of some absurd conspiracy against him. But even if such a conspiracy existed, it is STILL wrong.

The constitution is the highest law of the land, the system and the ideals that form it are the basis of what America is. Attempting to usurp it for your own ends, no matter what they are, is corruption and nobody who does such things is fit to hold office.

I can't speak for Trump supporters. But I love America, and I still have faith that the system and the law will ultimately prevail. And that most Americans are not like the fools who make up the ultra trump supporters.

And it will be thanks to those few people in the right positions who still remember that their loyalty is to America, not the current president.

Trumps repeated attitude that such people are committing treason, because anything not following him is treason, honestly makes me sick.
 
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Such anger and NOISE..-------> " I don't think Trump's the devil incarnate, at all. He's a born-rich, spoiled brat who doesn't understand anything about normal peoples' lives, who has narcissistic personality disorder, like clinical, I am so sure of it, having known one intimately. He is not looking out for the country. He's looking out for himself, period. The presidency is just a way for him to get more famous. He wants everyone to know, love and revere him, to consider him the best at everything and the smartest. The sheer number of times he has displayed these characteristics makes me sure of it. And you cannot rely on a narcissist. And you certainly shouldn't put one in a position where they're responsible for 360 million people."

Oh my... WHO THE F CARES ABOUT HIS PERSONALITY! Running the country is his job and i don't think it requires personality type ENTP. ????

..........NEXT
 
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