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Glubrahnum said:
The messages posted before the upgrade of this forum's software, are not indexed (ask the admin why). I cannot find it through the search fn either. I did not delete it, so it must be there somewhere among my messages. If you want to find it, you just have to read them all.
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Oki doki I’ll have to go through them, you don’t happen to remember a rough date/time so I could narrow it all down. Sorry to be a pain ??

*never mind I found it*
 
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Wentworth211 said:
So has anyone here ever detected any significant levels of methylmercury in any of these samples? Maybe the result of a botched cook in some rural area by some inexperienced chemist? Or is the idea highly unlikely?
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* warning Synthesis discussion is banned but surely basic chemistry discussion is entirely warranted, especially given the wide ranging relevance of this topic in particular. I can assure you, reference to the identity of precursors/reductions involved in illicit drug manufacture could never provide enough information to enable those reading the posts to engage in manufacture themselves without A LOT more legwork and understanding

MDMA speciality chemist chiming in so hopefully I have some clout. (developed 3 ways to MDA/MDMA without Glyciate, safrole, Helional etc


I find that VERY unlikely... AL/HG is to low yielding, doesn't scale to 1-5KG batches at all. Dutch prefer catalytic hydrogen with H2,and platnium/jones reagent due to yield, speed and MULTI kilo batches.. AL/HG is like 300 grams tops and very piss poor yield.. Borohydrides are high yielding and easy but slow. 3 days vs 7ish hrs... I could also make walter whites meth without Methylamine directly and still get a 20% higher yield because this catalyst is so much better

What do the Dutch mean when they say : "the cold method" ??
I don´t know exact numbers but I think it is definitely true that in tha Lowlands the main route to MDMA is reduction with Pt/hydrogen...
NaBH4 route gives excellent yields.Only problem is that NaBH4 is expensive and might not be available for certain bees.Yields w/w go over 100%
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Then there's that platinum dioxide(Adams catalyst) method @ 3 atm H pressure with yields w/w in 90's.
Both methods are pretty cold.NaBH4 rxn contents must be kept under 10C,but i can't remember the temp needed in PtO2 method

The labs in holland use PtO2. I read in the a magazine overthere. Some chemists produced in order of some maffia people, in a week 300 kilo's of MDMA freebase. The gazzing and stuff was done in some other place. The people investigating the dismantelt lab couldn't trace the source of the PtO2.
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I think PtO2 route is cheaper if you re-use your catalyst a few times. Besides that you only need some Methanol, MethylAmine and MDP2P ofcouse.
NaBH4 route is so slow. To many hours work for 1 batch. Not practical. Only if SWIM make it for himself.




MDP2P to MDMA route

MDP2P to MDMA route
www.thevespiary.org

www.dw.com

Ecstasy truckload found in Netherlands – DW – 02/10/2017

A truckload of ingredients for making a billion Ecstasy pills has been found by Dutch police. They say the lorry was found in a southern Zeeland province village, across the border from Belgium's port city of Antwerp.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
The haul included 100 canisters of hydrogen
 
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vash445 said:
* warning Synthesis discussion is banned but surely basic chemistry discussion is entirely warranted, especially given the wide ranging relevance of this topic in particular. I can assure you, reference to the identity of precursors/reductions involved in illicit drug manufacture could never provide enough information to enable those reading the posts to engage in manufacture themselves without A LOT more legwork and understanding

I find that VERY unlikely... AL/HG is to low yielding, doesn't scale to 1-5KG batches at all. Dutch prefer catalytic hydrogen with H2,and platnium/jones reagent due to yield, speed and MULTI kilo batches.. AL/HG is like 300 grams tops and very piss poor yield.. Borohydrides are high yielding and easy but slow. 3 days vs 7ish hrs... I could also make walter whites meth without Methylamine and still get a 20% higher yield because this catalyst is so much better

What do the Dutch mean when they say : "the cold method" ??
I don´t know exact numbers but I think it is definitely true that in tha Lowlands the main route to MDMA is reduction with Pt/hydrogen...
NaBH4 route gives excellent yields.Only problem is that NaBH4 is expensive and might not be available for certain bees.Yields w/w go over 100%
:)
.
Then there's that platinum dioxide(Adams catalyst) method @ 3 atm H pressure with yields w/w in 90's.
Both methods are pretty cold.NaBH4 rxn contents must be kept under 10C,but i can't remember the temp needed in PtO2 method

The labs in holland use PtO2. I read in the a magazine overthere. Some chemists produced in order of some maffia people, in a week 300 kilo's of MDMA freebase. The gazzing and stuff was done in some other place. The people investigating the dismantelt lab couldn't trace the source of the PtO2.
8)

I think PtO2 route is cheaper if you re-use your catalyst a few times. Besides that you only need some Methanol, MethylAmine and MDP2P ofcouse.
NaBH4 route is so slow. To many hours work for 1 batch. Not practical. Only if SWIM make it for himself.




MDP2P to MDMA route

MDP2P to MDMA route
www.thevespiary.org

www.dw.com

Ecstasy truckload found in Netherlands – DW – 02/10/2017

A truckload of ingredients for making a billion Ecstasy pills has been found by Dutch police. They say the lorry was found in a southern Zeeland province village, across the border from Belgium's port city of Antwerp.
www.dw.com www.dw.com
The haul included 100 canisters of hydrogen
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Yeah I believe the sample that was tested that sparked my interest was sold as mdma but however only contained the precursor not the final product as well as methamphetamine. This sample also contained an amount of Methylmercury. Made me wonder how many people unknowingly consumed product from the same batch and how the Mercury made it into the finished product..
 
Wentworth211 said:
Yeah I believe the sample that was tested that sparked my interest was sold as mdma but however only contained the precursor not the final product as well as methamphetamine. This sample also contained an amount of Methylmercury. Made me wonder how many people unknowingly consumed product from the same batch and how the Mercury made it into the finished product..
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contained the precursor not the final product as well as methamphetamine

likely answer the meth was made by AL/HG backyard chemist and didnt purify the meth enough
 
Has anybody here ever consumed a pressed pill containing meth before? If so what did it feel like in comparison to mdma? A group of us while in a rural area obtained some caps one night from a local who said quote “he cut it from the rock himself” claiming to be mdma. I Myself didn’t have much maybe half the cap, however it was a very different feeling to mdma, not much of any euphoria and a lot of energy, I ended up running around and then went to bed and wet myself. One of the other people with me was complaining he couldn’t see properly, anyway the next days were horrid, shakes anxiety, depersonalisation that kinda thing. The other bloke I was with who has done quite a lot of md and cocaine in his life was complaining of stomach aches and chest pain all week, he is usually pretty tough with that kind of stuff, his vision corrected itself luckily. We didn’t have much but whatever it was turned all of us off ever trying anything mdma like again haha. Does this sound like meth or something to any of you?
 
Wentworth211 said:
Has anybody here ever consumed a pressed pill containing meth before? If so what did it feel like in comparison to mdma? A group of us while in a rural area obtained some caps one night from a local who said quote “he cut it from the rock himself” claiming to be mdma. I Myself didn’t have much maybe half the cap, however it was a very different feeling to mdma, not much of any euphoria and a lot of energy, I ended up running around and then went to bed and wet myself. One of the other people with me was complaining he couldn’t see properly, anyway the next days were horrid, shakes anxiety, depersonalisation that kinda thing. The other bloke I was with who has done quite a lot of md and cocaine in his life was complaining of stomach aches and chest pain all week, he is usually pretty tough with that kind of stuff, his vision corrected itself luckily. We didn’t have much but whatever it was turned all of us off ever trying anything mdma like again haha. Does this sound like meth or something to any of you?
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I have done a meth pill before that also had some mdma in it but mainly meth. The intial rush depends on how much meth and the quality of it. The meth in my country is pure d-meth from the golden triangle and china. North american meth is weak as fuck compared to asian meth. So for this strong d-meth the rush is insane tho not as a strong as smoking it its still pretty good. The stimulation is on another level just shaking and you get really horny meth is the ultimate stimulant. for myself the meth high feels very clean way cleaner than stimulant i have done in my life no anxiety just like i am super man and can now do anything i set my mind to it also makes me more angry and very inflated ego and gives me the delusion i could easily knock anybody out if came to down to a fist fight. I got pins and needles from the pin all over my body my eyes even more wide open than mdma and a extreme urge to dose more. a meth pill will last a very long time and you will be up for over 20 hours. Wetting yourself doesn't sound like meth. I didn't get pains on meth though i feel really fucking burnt and had mad cravings for more cause i loved it so much. Vision can be impaired a bit due to your eyes vibrating hardcore while that stimulated. Mabye weak american meth does those effects but i know pure asian d-meth is even better than mdma.
 
NA meth is P2P that is heavily cut with N- iso to give P2P meth that SHARD look... racemic meth cannt make shards like tha naturally Isopropylbenzylamine

It has previously come to the attention of the DEA due to its use by illicit methamphetamine manufacturers as a diluting agent. This compound is a chain isomer of methamphetamine that exhibits the same chemical formula and molar mass giving their hydrochloride salts similar physical properties such as relatively close melting points, and comparable appearance. Consequently it can be used as a substitute or diluent of methamphetamine without this being obvious to users, though the differing melting points and various attributes of its presentation, such as softer or more easily broken crystals have been noted as a possible indication of its presence
 
Speaking of which and the 23 compounds GC/MS might miss on MDMA. I wonder if MDIsopropylbenzylamine or similar is around... It's such a common cut in meth and seem t be missed in lab results. would make sense because the cut aka as "sleepy meth"

"The bleach test is not always 100% accurate but, it is a good guide to use when you’re buying some and you are unsure about what you are buying. If I were buying some meth and did a bleach test and got the same results as you got then I would move on to other ways of testing it before I bought. Since you became ill in addition to the failed bleach test I would think you got a hold of either some fake Meth or n-Isopropylbenzylamine hydrochloride which is the chemical name for it otherwise known as ISO."

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I got some crystal meth, and I have been getting really sick. I was clean for a year after a 6-year run, then I ran into an old partner. ...

Answer (1 of 16): I am a (recovered) addict. And things happened exactly the way they were supposed to. Six months of sobriety on crystal. Now you have a taste of sobriety! Not many people can do that. Give yourself a pat on the back. But then something happened. You encountered someone from a ...
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"Apparently it makes people get "brain zaps" where they just blank out for a fraction of a second, it makes them feel sleepy immediately after using it, and it makes them act like heroin addicts, just blankly staring into space while they keep using it over and over, chasing a high that never comes. Apparently real meth addicts build shit out of spoons and old bicycle parts or whatever, they don't just sit there using it over and over."



The last one is HIGHLY intersting because it is matching our feeling of reports
 
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vash445 said:
I wonder if MDIsopropylbenzylamine or similar is around... It's such a common cut in meth and seem t be missed in lab results. would make sense because the cut aka as "sleepy meth"
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Do you mean this ?
Propanamine.png

If "yes" then this is a legal research chemical CAS 68291-92-9 and it can be easily found in Canada and China for $50 / 100mg and since it is an isobary of MDMA, it can mimic MDMA in a Mass Spectrometer.

I wonder if it is "sleepy", too.

It would be a good chemical to test the accuracy of a Testing Center with ;)
 
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Below are similar 1-phenyl-propyl-1-amines, which are MDMA isobaries, too:


(1,3-benzodioxol-5-ylmethyl)propylamine (CAS 68291-93-0)
2-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)propan-2-yl(methyl)amine (CAS 1221725-76-3)
1-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-N-methyl-1-propanamine (CAS 127292-43-7) ...also known as "MALPHA"
N-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-ylmethyl)-N-methylethanamine (PubChem CID 584519)

The last one is not in any of my spectroscopy libraries but it can be legally purchased here.


P.S.
The list of isobaries, I had posted before, did not contain these 5 compounds.
If you add the 2,3-methylenedioxyphenyl analogues of these 5 molecules, then the number of theses new compounds increases to 10.
 
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Glubrahnum said:
Do you mean this ?
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If "yes" then this is a legal research chemical CAS 68291-92-9 and it can be easily found in Canada and China for $50 / 100mg and since it is an isobary of MDMA, it can mimic MDMA in a Mass Spectrometer.
I wonder if it is "sleepy", too.

It would be a good chemical to test the accuracy of a Testing Center with ;)
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@Glubrahnum


YES exactly!!! Sorry i'm so bad with nomenclature.. All i ever cared about was making it from unwatched chems XD I tried looking and didn't see it listed so I was like HUMM... considering N-iso in meth it was an idea
 
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Goodwalt said:
I really like this new MDIsopropylbenzylamine avenue. Does TLC detect this compound?
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I don't have a forensic sample of this compound so I cannot try it.
...but you can read some anecdotal "evidence" about TLC on isopropylbenzylamine here.
 
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ThreePointCircle said:
I can get tubes pretty cheap. I guess I just need to work out what to plug them in to
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Tubes of this shape and size can be plugged into regular fluorescent fixtures.
If the tube's length and terminals matches the socket, it will be fine 90% of the time.

A UVC highpass or bandpass filter is a good addition to the enclosure because these UV tubes also emit a little of visible light, which can overwhelm the fluorescence.
 
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