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MDMA Recovery (Stories & Support - 7) [ALL LTC posts go here]

I can recall quite some stories about people who did M again and relapsing hard, and none with happy ending.

You could try low dose psychedelics, but don't don't gamble with MDMA
 
I consider myself 100% recovered, currently even doing drugs again without problems, alcohol, coke, LSD, 4-ho-met, ketamine, 3-meo-pcp...you name it, but no more MDMA for me, of course (lol)
It took me 14 months to fully recover, but for some is 18months...or even more, so keep your expectations low

my symptoms were:
-chest pain
-insomnia
-nightmares
-brain zaps
-panic attacks (fear of dying, getting crazy or never return to normal)
-myoclonus
-muscle twitches

my recommendations:
-avoid searching your symptoms on the internet
-dont do any kind of drug, but specially those who involve serotonin like lysergamides/phenetilamines/tryptamines
-avoid caffeine (coffee and sodas)
-if you really want to go out and drink, dont drink more than 3 beers
-magnesium glycinate
-dont be afraid of benzos!, serioulsy, they aren' that bad if you use it correctly
-antibiotics make your symptoms worse (dont ask me why)
-5HTP , It will help you when you feel sad for your condition
 
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Not sure if this is appropriate to share here as I don't want to get people's hopes up. But, I've been doing a lot of research into peptides, especially Semax and Selank, and have found reports of Semax being the best thing sufferers of amphetamine LTCs found to help them back to normal. It could be worth a shot for people here to try. The best forms of Semax are Adamax, NA Semax Amidate, and NA Semax, due to increased potency.
 
2C-X said:
antibiotics make your symptoms worse (dont ask me why)
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Most likely due to the negative impacts on the intestinal flora which is directly related to to the production of serotonin in the gut which will have knock on effects on brain chemistry and personality and behaviour.

Steps should always be taken following antibiotic therapy to rebalance the intestinal Flora as optimal as possible with lacto fermented drinks and foods and probiotic supplements where necessary and appropriate.
 
AutoTripper said:
Steps should always be taken following antibiotic therapy to rebalance the intestinal Flora as optimal as possible with lacto fermented drinks and foods and probiotic supplements where necessary and appropriate.
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Sunlight exposure is the biggest factor in gut health, not probiotics, foods, or anything else eaten. Scientific literature now proves this. The sun is the most important factor in health.

Jack Kruse's Nourish Vermont 2018 lecture talks about this (you have to find the "Jack Kruse - Webinars" playlist on YouTube to find it, it's unlisted, don't tell anyone it's there).
 
psy997 said:
Sunlight exposure is the biggest factor in gut health, not probiotics, foods, or anything else eaten. Scientific literature now proves this. The sun is the most important factor in health.

Jack Kruse's Nourish Vermont 2018 lecture talks about this (you have to find the "Jack Kruse - Webinars" playlist on YouTube to find it, it's unlisted, don't tell anyone it's there).
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Yes I have come across this school of thinking and I'm generally aware of the concept I have to confess I myself get hardly any sun light in life at all all my way of life is woefully far from Ideal and optimum. You could say I have been buried in the deepest rut for a very long time finding it incredibly hard to build motivation and incentive to help myself more on all levels, largely due to such an impossibly demanding and difficult condition with so many insane complications making any sort of normal life seemingly impossible no matter what I try hence my resignation.

But I'm really not sure you can make such a blanket statement about intestinal Flora not being related to dietary intake especially probiotics because even if you are living in a pitch black dungeon what you eat and how you medicate your body will still make an enormous difference in every case, and the status of your intestinal flora will vary wildly depending on what and how you eat and supplement with regardless of the level of sunlight you receive.
 
The claim comes from various research studies, the "proof" coming from the findings that when human populations living alongside the equator and getting lots of sun eat shit processed food, rotten food, soda, etc. their gut biome doesn't change one bit. Even when given chemicals that specifically ruin the microbiome. Thus, the most important factor is not what you eat, but the sunlight you get. As long as you're getting sunlight, diet doesn't matter too much outside of getting the proper nutrients. When you're not getting sunlight, that's a different story.

Try getting more sunlight AutoTripper, I found out about this light diet stuff last October and it's totally changed my life. I feel immensely better getting regular sunlight.
 
Macenroe said:
How long did it took you to fully recover?
I feel almost perfect every night but then I relapse every morning as soon as I wake up like if something was triggered on my brain the moment I wake up. Then the day goes on, Xanax alleviates most of my symptoms and at the end of the day I feel almost fully recovered.. it’s a never ending cycle with high hopes at the end of the day to wake up in this hell again every morning. Anybody has felt the same during their recovery?
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I felt the same way every morning, not wanting to get up and on with my day, perhaps depression brought on by constant thought I did some damage to my brain and of course the guilt. I remember waking up being like, awesome, the head fog is gone, but then I'd stand up and realize it's still there.. It's hard to pinpoint the exact timeframe of when my symptoms finally went away, it was more like every day got slightly better and I think I finally stopped letting it get to me and constantly think about it.. keeping busy and hanging with buds, I was able to feel "normal" again, perhaps 1-1.5 year mark a lot better, 2 year and beyond, fully better, it was 6 years ago beginning of long term comedown.. Don't want to scare others if that seems like too long but it's different for all of us. Some symptoms went away sooner then others, i.e. anxiety only after few months, head fog a bit later, etc
 
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ZeroLuck said:
I can recall quite some stories about people who did M again and relapsing hard, and none with happy ending.

You could try low dose psychedelics, but don't don't gamble with MDMA
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You’re right, I was reading back of some people who did it again and had a relapse. However, everyone is different. Taking MDMA again will be a very tough personal decision, I loved the feeling it gave me and how I felt like I was in another world.

On a side note, this is for everyone who is suffering or went through an LTC. I want to gather some info from everyone. It would help if you responded but it’s not necessary, I’m just trying to see the pattern that @G_Chem said there was. List which ones you had.

1) You had anxiety leading up to the roll. (As in days/weeks before the roll)

2) You had anxiety DURING the roll?

3) Your roll was not so peaceful and amazing, you had some slight anxiety and just an overall weird feeling?

The reason I ask these questions, is I’m guessing most people had at least two of these that suffered from an LTC. I had all three. I remember on the comeup, I was so overwhelmed and I thought I took too much (popped a whole pill) and when it started growing very intense my friend carried me out of the crowd and I had to sit/lie down. Once the comeup subsided, I still felt just “weird”. It saddens me because the first two times I rolled it was so amazing and I’m bummed I probably won’t experience that again.
 
rinzzlerr said:
@Ckraker thats good to hear! Keep on doing the good things and implement those habits, it will end. This has been said by many others but it seems that those who suffer from an “LTC” had anxiety before hand, or suffered from it in the past. I myself had extreme anxiety and stress before the incident. As in, literally the days leading up to the roll. And yes, the anxiety will consume your life, IF you let it. The best defense against anxiety is mindfulness and your inner dialogue. You have to learn how to calm yourself down and tell yourself positive things.

@MrBlue13 thank you for coming back to post, I’m sure a lot of people reading will be grateful and can have an optimistic outlook seeing as this does end for everyone, albeit at a very different rate.

This is another update from me, I’m doing fucking great. I’m grateful that I’ve been so lucky. I was at a festival this weekend, and I didn’t roll but I had a great time. Seeing my friends roll and dancing made me miss good ol M, but who knows if I feel like I want to roll in the future I just might. The only thing is, now that I suffered from a mild “LTC”, I’m afraid it will happen if I roll again. Any thoughts/suggestions from people who recovered and rolled again?
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Cheers thanks, no problem! I do remember myself wanting to see recovery stories six years ago
 
psy997 said:
Sunlight exposure is the biggest factor in gut health, not probiotics, foods, or anything else eaten. Scientific literature now proves this. The sun is the most important factor in health.

Jack Kruse's Nourish Vermont 2018 lecture talks about this (you have to find the "Jack Kruse - Webinars" playlist on YouTube to find it, it's unlisted, don't tell anyone it's there).
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What if it’s winter and no sun? Should we go to tanning beds?
 
Needhelp123 said:
What if it’s winter and no sun? Should we go to tanning beds?
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I know there's an entire protocol for winter months with no sun including certain animal fats, seafood, etc. but I don't know it :/ I am going to need to look it up, though, since there is a pretty heavy winter where I am.
 
rinzzlerr said:
You’re right, I was reading back of some people who did it again and had a relapse. However, everyone is different. Taking MDMA again will be a very tough personal decision, I loved the feeling it gave me and how I felt like I was in another world.

On a side note, this is for everyone who is suffering or went through an LTC. I want to gather some info from everyone. It would help if you responded but it’s not necessary, I’m just trying to see the pattern that @G_Chem said there was. List which ones you had.

1) You had anxiety leading up to the roll. (As in days/weeks before the roll)

2) You had anxiety DURING the roll?

3) Your roll was not so peaceful and amazing, you had some slight anxiety and just an overall weird feeling?

The reason I ask these questions, is I’m guessing most people had at least two of these that suffered from an LTC. I had all three. I remember on the comeup, I was so overwhelmed and I thought I took too much (popped a whole pill) and when it started growing very intense my friend carried me out of the crowd and I had to sit/lie down. Once the comeup subsided, I still felt just “weird”. It saddens me because the first two times I rolled it was so amazing and I’m bummed I probably won’t experience that again.
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Just had anxiety before the roll, the roll itself was amazing. So only the number 1. For me.

Also I don't think it's worth the risk of relapse. MDMA is great, but lasts just 2-3 hours. And needs pause for months. So... Few hours for few years? Totally not worth it.
 
This is so frustrating... every night my symptoms disappear and when I wake up I relapse again into the LTC. Anybody felt the same during their recovery?
 
Macenroe said:
This is so frustrating... every night my symptoms disappear and when I wake up I relapse again into the LTC. Anybody felt the same during their recovery?
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Sounds like it's only a hormonal issue. Try in the morning to take 20mg propranolol, if doesn't work or have no side effects try 40mg and see how it will make you feel. Also don't use heavy machinery and .etc. if you feel better, then you can take a blood test once in the morning and once in the evening and check your cortisol.
 
It's interesting how when I don't exercise or keep doing the good things I'm supposed to for a few days, my memory of about a week and longer than that gets a little blurry. As soon as I start exercising and eating better, it goes back to normal. Also, when I get a cold, my headaches suck, but they go away once the cold alleviates. I've never had headaches with colds in the past. Kind of weird but I'm glad its not permanent.
 
My hair got thinner, think it's due to stress from the ltc. Should be fine when you address It.
 
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