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Are all white people racist? Who is?

Leftist ideology tells us constantly that all whites are inherently racist."

Sure, a subset of leftists think this, just like some alt righters think all black people are inherently inferior. One shouldn't extrapolate a general ideology from a small selection of adherents in either example. Generalisations usually miss a lot of the truth.

From my reading it is acknowledged that most people exhibit some racial bias though it can be unconscious. This is a bias both for and against particular races and is found among all human populations. It can be applied to all manner of other phenomenon too- we have instinctive, snap responses to things we encounter. The question is whether these inherent, innate biased responses have any validity or not.
 
"black people cannot be racist against white people" - too many liberals believe this propaganda and it actually makes them racist.

Agreed, the fact that anybody thinks this nonsense means too many people think it. But most of my friends are left-leaning, and hardly anyone I know thinks this. You are, again, conflating the extremists that you see reported on as the majority view of an entire category of people. Only extremists think stuff like this. Sure, there are plenty of them, but there are FAR, FAR more people who think and behave more sensibly and actually see shades of gray.

But the idea of white privilege was created and disseminated by people of actual privilege who hide above and oversee the racial divisions.

Disagreed. For reasons I've outlined in various other threads. It exists, I have benefitted from it, I accept and recognize that. It doesn't make me feel bad about myself, it just makes me hope that one day, everyone can have equal consideration and not be pre-judged based on their physical appearance.
 
To paraphrase Homer Simpson, the best way to get out of jury duty is just to say your prejudiced against ALL races... Including your own.

Homer speaks the truth
 
Agreed, the fact that anybody thinks this nonsense means too many people think it. But most of my friends are left-leaning, and hardly anyone I know thinks this. You are, again, conflating the extremists that you see reported on as the majority view of an entire category of people. Only extremists think stuff like this. Sure, there are plenty of them, but there are FAR, FAR more people who think and behave more sensibly and actually see shades of gray.



Disagreed. For reasons I've outlined in various other threads. It exists, I have benefitted from it, I accept and recognize that. It doesn't make me feel bad about myself, it just makes me hope that one day, everyone can have equal consideration and not be pre-judged based on their physical appearance.

Can you be specific how you've benefited from white privilege? I can only think of one example where it actually exists.
 
Whoever says "All white people are racist" is by definition a racist, as the statement indicates a whole race possesses this negative quality.
 
Thanks for wasting my time LOVEBANDIT,

You're welcome?

please explain"SYSTEMIC RACISM"

In my understanding, and others can correct me, it relates to the fact that society is structured in a way to discriminate - it's built into not only the laws, but simply how one has opportunities or roadblocks based on the birth lottery. For example, in the US, it can said a person (often African American) is most often born into a family of lower income, less educated parents, etc which may not allow for the kid growing up to be exposed to the opportunities other kids may have (summer camps, boy scout troops, whatever) or have parents willing or able to have an interest and support the child developing academically beyond what their parents achieve - if they even have more than one parent living with them. Consider in many places, big-brother-big-sister type organizations tend to be focused on inner city kids (again, predominately black) with certain activities and guidance, compared to suburban (white) areas that have boy scouts, after school athletics and travel sports teams, and other opportunities that inner city kids may not have available. But I'm speaking primarily to family (structure, income, education), and others may differ in opinion pointing to gov't.

Consider the 'war on drugs' was created to target certain groups (again, primarily African Americans) by applying harsher laws to crack cocaine (street drugs) than regular powder cocaine (more of a white collar drug), and harsher enforcement against weed (more common in black communities at the time than white). You then see decades of more blacks being imprisoned for these crimes, thereby taking fathers from families (see the above about single parents), giving blacks a criminal record which then gets compounded by later arrests for similarly slanted laws and you have prison populations that are by majority black. It then gives the impression 'blacks commit more crimes', so they get watched more closely by law enforcement = a self feeding cycle, a system that segregates and enforces laws based on race, which then keeps members of that race in a suppressed state (see above about education and opportunity). The racism has become built into the system = systemic racism.

I'm sure others can explain better, but does this help at all? There are a lot of arguments of how this doesn't exist - that everyone is subject to the same laws, that it's on the individuals to keep their family together and raise their children right; but those arguments don't stand up well against the numbers we see in reality. This adds to the problem, in that people will deny it exists if they can't see it for themselves and they personally never experienced (typically from a white person). And they can point to other non-blacks (ie, latino) that suffer in similar numbers and conditions, but it's moving the goalposts. The fact remains, society was built over time, adding laws to enforce certain behaviours, sometimes crafted in a way to target certain groups unfairly. The question is how to unthread these biases from society so all are actually treated equally.
 
Does it mean when Harvard makes entry harder for Asian students than other races?Or am i getting it all wrong.

That's part of it - where rules force certain situations based on race - letting in a minority of lesser ability (black scholarships or lower admission requirements) in an effort to level the field and enable that person to overcome whatever set them back (broken homes, limited opportunity). The idea being this is an attempt to offset the leg up the other (white) person has simply by being born white.

cos im a bit slow

Dear sir (?), I am by far slower than you on most of these topics, I assure you. Cheers.
 
Can you be specific how you've benefited from white privilege? I can only think of one example where it actually exists.

TLB said it quite well. Our society is structured in such a way that as a white man, I am considered as qualified as anyone could be given my actual qualifications. I was born into a solid middle-class family in a good neighborhood. I was raised to believe I am good enough for anything. When I get pulled over, I don't worry that the police are going to beat my ass or shoot me. When I walk down the street, I don't worry someone is going to call the cops on me because I "look sketchy" (this happened in the neighborhood I grew up in once which is the time I specifically encountered that, but it's a well-known thing that happens).

Besides the active, aggressive, hateful racism that some people have, there is a ton of passive racism built into our society. It's attitudes and unconscious preferences that most people don't mean to have or do, but that nevertheless exist. 60 years ago we still had segregation in parts of the country, lynchings, and so on. It has not been very long since racism in America was ugly, ugly, ugly. To suggest that all of the remnants of that are gone now in just a handful of decades is, at best, burying your head in the sand.

Besides that, too, there is just the natural tendency for humans to be tribal, to identify with those who are more the same, and to mistrust those who are different. It's something that's always been going on, but that doesn't mean that, as intelligent, thinking creatures, we can't move past that. But denying its reality isn't going to change it. I'd like to think we could be better than that.
 
I wouldn't blame aliens for being "racist". I'd respect them for it.
 
Man, if they would just declassify all the secret space programs we could stop arguing amongst our earthling selves and get pissed about all the fucking racist aliens.

The funny or maybe sad thing is, you're probably right (assuming we have been visited, which I don't assume, but hope is true). I have often thought lately that the only thing that could possibly ever bring us together and fix our problems is being forced to unite against an alien race bent on our destruction or subjugation. Nothing like facing a hostile separate species to realize we're all the same species and brothers and sisters to each other, and that what separates us is as trivial as skin color and particular cultural norms that resulted from an upbringing colored in various ignorant ideas about others.
 
white bread here and am totally not racist
SO is thai (25+yrs)
possible girl-friend black
been with most races and proud to say that race is an imaginary line that must be forgotten
again: if we survive as humans long enough we will be one "race" again; is this not inevitable?
wish i had children from every race i been with... not being an ass or flaunting
just think they would be beautiful and shine like stars....
guess im the end of the line unless baby girl wants to have our baby.... :) she is thirty.
dont think SO would begrudge me too much and may be OK with it.
she has grown beautiful mixed children and knows how i have wanted to have a baby since forever.
i wanna be a dad/father....
if it happens much love and i will have added to the effort.
haha
 
The funny or maybe sad thing is, you're probably right (assuming we have been visited, which I don't assume, but hope is true). I have often thought lately that the only thing that could possibly ever bring us together and fix our problems is being forced to unite against an alien race bent on our destruction or subjugation. Nothing like facing a hostile separate species to realize we're all the same species and brothers and sisters to each other, and that what separates us is as trivial as skin color and particular cultural norms that resulted from an upbringing colored in various ignorant ideas about others.

I have read a lot of info talking about US Presidents going back over a century being visited by alien species.
https://listverse.com/2018/03/30/10-more-secret-space-program-insiders/ Has got some good personal stories.

If you believe any of this, it would seem we allready have myriad alien races visiting, running the gamut from benevolent/positive to enslaving/negative. It is up to our collective conciousness on earth to decide which side we will go with. To me, it appears the vast majority of humanity is tired of endless war and poverty. That the crux of all "conspiracy theories" is our collecive governments wanting to hide the fact of visitation to keep us stupid and subservient. Movies like Total Recall spell it out under the guise of "science fiction". Jupiter Ascending is another good one.
 
This little gem stood out in this article:

In a study of the 2016 election published last year, the Tufts University political scientist Brian Schaffner and two colleagues found that the strongest predictor of support for Trump over Hillary Clinton was a belief that racism is no longer a systemic problem. Using results from a large-sample, post-election survey called the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, they found that that belief dwarfed economic concerns as a predictor of support for Trump. The conviction that discrimination against women is not a problem also proved a more powerful predictor of Trump support than did economic concerns, though not as strong a factor as the racial attitudes.

In an interview, Schaffner noted that a substantial portion of Trump’s supporters backed him simply because they were Republicans and he was the Republican nominee, not because they necessarily shared his views on race or gender roles. But overall, his coalition was largely united by the belief that discrimination against minorities (and, to a somewhat lesser extent, women) is no longer a big problem. The denial of racism “was also the strongest predictor of someone switching from an Obama voter in 2012 to a Trump voter in 2016,” Schaffner said.

There’s some more data in the article linked below, but the upshot is that race was a huge factor in the last election and there’s every indication that it will be again.

 
In my understanding, and others can correct me, it relates to the fact that society is structured in a way to discriminate - it's built into not only the laws, but simply how one has opportunities or roadblocks based on the birth lottery. For example, in the US, it can said a person (often African American) is most often born into a family of lower income, less educated parents, etc which may not allow for the kid growing up to be exposed to the opportunities other kids may have (summer camps, boy scout troops, whatever) or have parents willing or able to have an interest and support the child developing academically beyond what their parents achieve - if they even have more than one parent living with them. Consider in many places, big-brother-big-sister type organizations tend to be focused on inner city kids (again, predominately black) with certain activities and guidance, compared to suburban (white) areas that have boy scouts, after school athletics and travel sports teams, and other opportunities that inner city kids may not have available. But I'm speaking primarily to family (structure, income, education), and others may differ in opinion pointing to gov't.

Consider the 'war on drugs' was created to target certain groups (again, primarily African Americans) by applying harsher laws to crack cocaine (street drugs) than regular powder cocaine (more of a white collar drug), and harsher enforcement against weed (more common in black communities at the time than white). You then see decades of more blacks being imprisoned for these crimes, thereby taking fathers from families (see the above about single parents), giving blacks a criminal record which then gets compounded by later arrests for similarly slanted laws and you have prison populations that are by majority black. It then gives the impression 'blacks commit more crimes', so they get watched more closely by law enforcement = a self feeding cycle, a system that segregates and enforces laws based on race, which then keeps members of that race in a suppressed state (see above about education and opportunity). The racism has become built into the system = systemic racism.

I'm sure others can explain better, but does this help at all? There are a lot of arguments of how this doesn't exist - that everyone is subject to the same laws, that it's on the individuals to keep their family together and raise their children right; but those arguments don't stand up well against the numbers we see in reality. This adds to the problem, in that people will deny it exists if they can't see it for themselves and they personally never experienced (typically from a white person). And they can point to other non-blacks (ie, latino) that suffer in similar numbers and conditions, but it's moving the goalposts. The fact remains, society was built over time, adding laws to enforce certain behaviours, sometimes crafted in a way to target certain groups unfairly. The question is how to unthread these biases from society so all are actually treated equally.

I will say that is is my current opinion that every single point made here is absolutely true except for the association with discrimination and race, and I will in fact add that I could have made basically the same list from my life experience in the town I was born in were the same happens for people of lower income in a de facto one race society with about 3% of non originals and 0.75% Africans.
Ofcourse I never lived in the US so can't speak from direct experience what I'm saying is that rich people will actively try to keep the status quo.
 
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