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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2019ish

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Im guessing you're not getting the point that people will buy guns illegally if they want to commit a mass murder

Some will. Some won't. Lower death count.

Me and everyone of my family members conceal carry. I have no problem dying. I definitely wont be running from the fight (and neither will they). I wasnt trained to do that.

Great, what about children who haven't had the chance to go to war yet?

It's naive to think removing guns from law-abiding individuals will stop criminals or spree shooters. Even if it's slightly more difficult, it will not prevent it.

May not stop it completely but it will lower the death count. Maybe some mother somewhere won't have to lose her child.

Whether you find yourself in a shitty situation with someone who obtained their gun legally or illegally doesn't matter. You're safer if you are armed.

Unless I'm mistaken for the shooter and shot myself (by a fellow good guy with a gun), or I'm a worse shot than him , or he sees my gun and decides to target me first.
 
A US citizen fifth grader could shoot faster than you.
Primarily thanks to Dana Rohrabacher who taught us how to use handguns in elementary school! BYE DANA THANKS FOR THE GUN LESSONS!

Something like half of the deadliest mass shootings in the US have happened since 2012. We aren't in Kansas anymore Gabe.
I DON'T CARE let the bodies hit the floor. 10,000,000 dead heroin addicts won't convince me it should be illegal.

Enjoy the police state. I won't. You can shoot me, I don't care, I've had a good run. I'm still going to believe in civil freedoms.
 
Some will. Some won't. Lower death count.



Great, what about children who haven't had the chance to go to war yet?



May not stop it completely but it will lower the death count. Maybe some mother somewhere won't have to lose her child.



Unless I'm mistaken for the shooter and shot myself (by a fellow good guy with a gun), or I'm a worse shot than him , or he sees my gun and decides to target me first.
So how do you know 100% it will lower the death count? Do you really think a person who wants to commit mass murder is going to give up, simply because guns are illegal? If they CANT get a gun for whatever reason, do you think they wont think of something else to use? Ie. bomb, vehicle (running people over), etc. etc. Last time I checked, a dead person is still a dead person. It doesnt matter how they got that way.
 
I get it, you want guns, you want them so bad that you're willing to let this shit happen. You think hey, shit happens...the worlds a fucked up place... I gotta protect me and mine.
YES

and replace GUNS with HEROIN and it still works

my life is unimportant. Social freedoms and progress IS MORE IMPORTANT. The world/my life isn't for me. It's for others. You won't get what I'm saying until you accept your own mortality and realize the world will go on without you, and you ask yourself what you want to leave behind for everyone else. "You" not being mal but anyone in general.

P.S. zop we can't say that here

we'd go through ISIS in a fucking month...
sure, if Russia wasn't backing ISIS

RIP world peace
 
sure, if Russia wasn't backing ISIS

RIP world peace

I believe its the other way round... Russia is backing Assad and bombing ISIS on the regular...

Not that it would matter, British airborne has a long history of attempting impossible battles but having a crack at it anyway..Pegasus bridge, Arnhem, Goose Green, Wireless Ridge, Sangin Valley etc. Cos it can't be worse than guard duty at Catterick garrison can it?
 
ISIS takes out Assad and rebel groups. It's a king of the hill battleground match with 3 teams where everyone is suicidal.

Russia backs IRAN. Iran bankrolls ISIS. Russia "helps Assad to help take out ISIS" = burning the candle at both ends for wax dripping BDSM purposes. Putin is the devil.
 
I saw an interesting interesting interview with a law enforcement official who ran a field office for a mass shooting (I didn’t hear which one).

It made me think about how interesting it would be to have real correlation data on shooters— what is their socioeconomic status? are they from a single parent household? do they have any ties to the community or are they “loners”? are they incel 8chan posters? how did they do in school?

There probably is some data out there, but I bet it’s not compiled well, and what there is isn’t available to most people.

All that ever comes out is anecdotal and makes them look crazy.

Anyway, I saw a headline that the El Paso shooter is going to face the death penalty. Texas justice will be served.
 
ISIS takes out Assad and rebel groups. It's a king of the hill battleground match with 3 teams where everyone is suicidal.

Russia backs IRAN. Iran bankrolls ISIS. Russia "helps Assad to help take out ISIS" = burning the candle at both ends for wax dripping BDSM purposes. Putin is the devil.

Never rated the Russians much anyway... They only beat the Germans cos they could afford to sacrifice 20 million troops and have a fucking massive country to retreat into..

Anyway, I've seen Top Gun and all the Rambo movies.... The Russians are shit
 
Russia are well known for their "double tap" bombing raids on the White Helmet lot & that is fine with me.
I suggest they do a octagon tap on those lot.
Can I get a translation for an American who has no idea what you meant?

I tried explaining the best parts of a comedy central roast to a Euro BL'er and quickly discovered American comedy jokes about American stuff was totally lost on them.
 
If anything this thread has shown me yet again the "left" & typical "liberal" people are far from it, they want to control people & tell them what to do & how to live.
Ever noticed it is the liberal lot that want to flood a country with foul people & put up this mask to the world they are "decent" people YET under it all they are as bad as any nutcase
dictator.

You cannot have guns, you cannot have fighting dogs to guard your home, you cannot kill people that have done wrong to you or torture them in revenge etc..........the list goes on & on I swear.

It is the "liberal left" that would be first to cry if they had a shop & it was held up by some crack heads & go running to the cops, with relaxed gun laws you deal with the issue yourself by tapping them in the knee or taking their head off with a.50 sniper rifle as they run away.
 
Can I get a translation for an American who has no idea what you meant?

I tried explaining the best parts of a comedy central roast to a Euro BL'er and quickly discovered American comedy jokes about American stuff was totally lost on them.

The Russians drop lots of bombs on the same target and he wishes they would drop more...

Although to be fair, you yanks are good at that too (I'm happy to say when it's my arse that needs saving by an F18 or an A10.. We'll forget about the ones you drop in our guys by mistake... These things happen)
 
Can I get a translation for an American who has no idea what you meant?

Russian jets fly over North-West Syria looking for White Helmet vans & then bomb them to death, when more White Helmet lot come in to rescue the people hurt the jets fly back over & bomb them again.

The White Helmets are a front for Al-Nusra Front / Jabhat al-Nusra, known as Jabhat Fatah al-Sham who are a bunch of Sunni Wahhabi nutcases.
 
ok so what is a White Helmet, I'm still so lost

American ignorance is the best kind imo 'murrka fuck yea

The White Helmets are a front for Al-Nusra Front / Jabhat al-Nusra, known as Jabhat Fatah al-Sham who are a bunch of Sunni Wahhabi nutcases.
I still don't get it wow I'm not caught up on anything... wow.

Sorry guys don't mind me, I am obviously not in the know.
 
ok so what is a White Helmet, I'm still so lost

American ignorance is the best kind imo 'murrka fuck yea


I still don't get it wow I'm not caught up on anything... wow.

Sorry guys don't mind me, I am obviously not in the know.

This is a good example of why I was reluctant to take a job in Northern Iraq /Syria to train these peeps... How you supposed to know who you can shoot and who you can't? And even if you did know, it will have changed by tomorrow.
 
I've always said if you dropped a battle group of Paras into Syria with decent air support and no rules of engagement we'd go through ISIS in a fucking month...They're not proper soldiers... And they're DEFINITELY not Paras

Also I saw photos of some of the handmade 50cal (12.7mm Russian DSHK rounds) and 20mm long range sniper rifles the kurds made and they looked rather dangerous to me... But as long as someone else is firing them it's all good
go through them in a month like you did to the Taliban in Helmand a decade ago? Ten years on, who run Bartertown Helmand? Jeez you even had to remove the memorials when you left.

The myth of the super soldier is strong and it is a superb propaganda tool to make gullible young men sign up to become part of the meat grinder, you're special, your unit is special, thankyou for your service. It's bullshit.
All wars are bankers wars, or as Smedley Butler put it:
War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

The empire wars are not winnable because the opponent melts into the scenery and then reappears again and again when the invader retreats, holding the ground doesn't work either because the fixed bases just get sniped at and RPG'd and the support vehicles hit with mines, IEDs and now ATGMs like TOW and even the local allied armies are suspect. French Foreign Legion learnt this the hard way in Indochine, The US repeated the error when they were in Vietnam and so the world keeps on spinning, nothing changes. Forever war is very profitable for a tiny section of the West.

Asymmetric warfare means people with flip flops and Kalashnikovs can grind down and defeat all modern armies over time provided they have some local support against the outsider. The outsider gets bogged down in costly engagements, dropping 500lb bombs on snipers or mortar positions slowly bankrupts the country dropping the bombs. Look at the mess the Saudis have gotten into in Yemen.

Thank you for your service but you were shooting the wrong people.
 
go through them in a month like you did to the Taliban in Helmand a decade ago? Ten years on, who run Bartertown Helmand? Jeez you even had to remove the memorials when you left.

The myth of the super soldier is strong and it is a superb propaganda tool to make gullible young men sign up to become part of the meat grinder, you're special, your unit is special, thankyou for your service. It's bullshit.
All wars are bankers wars, or as Smedley Butler put it:
War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

The empire wars are not winnable because the opponent melts into the scenery and then reappears again and again when the invader retreats, holding the ground doesn't work either because the fixed bases just get sniped at and RPG'd and the support vehicles hit with mines, IEDs and now ATGMs like TOW and even the local allied armies are suspect. French Foreign Legion learnt this the hard way in Indochine, The US repeated the error when they were in Vietnam and so the world keeps on spinning, nothing changes. Forever war is very profitable for a tiny section of the West.

Asymmetric warfare means people with flip flops and Kalashnikovs can grind down and defeat all modern armies over time provided they have some local support against the outsider. The outsider gets bogged down in costly engagements, dropping 500lb bombs on snipers or mortar positions slowly bankrupts the country dropping the bombs. Look at the mess the Saudis have gotten into in Yemen.

Thank you for your service but you were shooting the wrong people.

I think you missed the bit where I said "no rules of engagement" I was in Helmand (twice) and do you have any idea what difference it would have made if it had been declared a free fire zone like the Yanks had in the second battle of Fallujha? We were under ridiculous constraint by the yellow card..Also there wasn't enough of us by a long way... In 2006 there was just us..
3 Para... 1 batallion (plus hangers on) against the whole taliban.. There are plenty of videos of Herrick 4 on YouTube if you want to see what that was like.. But we never lost a battle.. Didn't achieve much either but there were lots of reasons for that... Namely the patrol base strategy

The only way to win a war like that is to either not fight it or go all in... The mistake we made (and the Americans who followed us did aswell) is to try and fight and kill an invisible enemy..Is this the way to fight? Probably not as a lot of non combatants will die..
But I stand by my original statement if you read it all

And there's no need to thank me for my service... It was my pleasure
 
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