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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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the 'send her back' chanting is troubling (and part of a larger pattern)...

"...chants like “send her back” are ugly, wrong, & would send chills down the spines of our Founding Fathers. This ugliness must end, or we risk our great union." (rep. adam kinzinger, republican)

alasdair
 
immgrants are only a problem when you're not married to them :)

it's clear that there are some - even here perhaps - who won't condemn trump for pretty much anything he says or does.

it feels like were watching the frog boil with trump and many of his supporters. maybe there will be a comment, an action, a last straw that makes them pause and finally say "yep - that's unacceptable". the "send her back" chant seems to have opened the eyes of a few republicans so perhaps it's just a matter of time...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

alasdair
 
Yeah the whole "if you don't like it, leave" is both asanine, and profoundly un-American. Since the entire point of a democracy is that if you don't like it, you actually have recourse, and in fact, a civic duty to do something about it.
 
July 18, 2019

President Trump's latest claim takes precisely 13 seconds to fact check.

At a Wednesday night rally in North Carolina, Trump openly degraded Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), prompting the crowd to erupt into a chant of "send her back" that echoed his racist tweet against the Democratic congresswoman earlier this week.

Trump was asked about the chant on Thursday, and while he said he "felt a little bit badly about it," he also referred to his supporters in pointing out that he "didn’t say that, they did." Trump also claimed he "started speaking very quickly" to shut down the chants.



Yet as a video of the situation reveals, Trump actually waited for at least 13 seconds before starting to speak again. And when he did, he only continued to criticize Omar.



Democrats have started to warn that Trump's rhetoric has put Omar's life in "imminent danger," though Omar chose to respond to the tweets with a powerful Maya Angelou quote.
 
SAVE US REPUBLICANS

sos to the Trump Train


are you serious

what about those of us who have been working our assess off to get jobs that pay this bracket? Do you think we'll get incremental raises to match? Obviously not. This is going to wreck the economy. Terrible decision. Up it to 9, 10 an hour. Maybe 11 or 12 by 2025. 15? That's too much, too quick for ALL of America?

The feds should just encourage states to start passing state legislation on the matter; AL just did this; others can follow suit. WTF is going on.

This is pretty terrible IMO.

JUDGE PIERRO SAVE ME



Endgame: everything will cost more; everyone will have to work. If you minimize the price of food, the price of labor and keep it low enough there's people who *won't have to work if they don't want to* in society. You eliminate the ability for people to live aimless lives and you're going to force anyone who doesn't want to conform to the NS 40 hours/week worker ideology to afford groceries and apartments they literally wouldn't be able to afford if they miss 1 week at work from being sick (LOL AND I KNOW ALL THOSE STATES DON'T HAVE SICK LEAVE LIKE CA JUST PASSED GOOD LUCK AMERICA WE'RE ALL FUCKED). This is terrible.

Keep the price labor, food, low. Keep the value of the dollar high. The value of the dollar has been (allegedly) gaining (anyone want to show me some charts? I will take the flack if I am incorrect on this facet): I don't know why we have to shoot ourselves in the foot or why the left think of money as a bad thing.
 
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Trump disavowed that chant. Also what he said in his tweet (apart from being a brilliant distraction - asylum laws just changed) wasn't racist. If the US had politicians of Latvian citizenry who consistently badmouthed the US at every turn and only showed open hostility, it wouldn't be racist to tell these white people to go back to where they came from and fix their own country before attempting to aggressively change the US with their dubious ideas.

Ilhan Omar has a 9% favorability rating. And Dems have now made her one of the faces of the Democratic Party. I can't be sure if this was Trump's goal all along but it worked out well for him.


Debunking All Major Claims of Trump Being a Racist
 
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are you serious

Might be worth a separate thread for minimum wage discussion as it still has to pass the senate before it can reach Trump, and that isn't a given.

I get that most media has a bias, but I was disappointed the article spent the back half discussing on what needs to happen for this to take effect, and absolutely no time on the negative impact possibilities. Though, I suppose there are a lot of other articles that will ONLY talk about the down side.

Interesting point it DOES mention is that those who work with tips and could therefore be paid as low as $2-ish, will now have their base pay raised up to min wage. Does this mean tipping in America dies like other countries?
 
This was on 17JUL and no mention of it here?

Pelosi’s Headache Comes To Life: Green Files Articles Of Impeachment; Update: Vote Today By 5 ET? Update: GOP To Side With … Green?

One way or another, the House of Representatives will finally have to act in some manner on impeaching Donald Trump. After threatening to do so ever since Trump took office, Rep. Al Green (D-TX) filed articles of impeachment last night, citing Trump’s tweets about four frosh Democrats as a “high misdemeanor.” This opens up the very can of worms that Nancy Pelosi had worked hard for months to keep closed, in hopes of avoiding an electoral nightmare that would result from a hyperpoliticized attempt to reverse the 2016 election.

It’s not as if Pelosi can ignore it, either. House rules require a response to a privileged motion, which Green knows full well:

Green’s move will force House Democrats to deal with the issue in the near term because of the privileged nature of the resolution. Under House rules, Democratic leadership can decide to try to table the impeachment articles, effectively killing them for now and risk criticism from the party’s liberal base; refer them to the House Judiciary Committee for possible consideration; or allow the vote to proceed.
If leaders do nothing, Green can force a vote on the impeachment articles in two legislative days.
None of the options look very good from Pelosi’s perspective. Moderates are already balking at Green’s move, while even some progressives question the timing. Every single option in front of Pelosi now will split her caucus, and with it any hopes of ending a power struggle within it:

The matter is likely to divide the caucus, which has grappled for months with the question of what to do about Trump. Even impeachment proponents seemed divided about whether it is wise to force the issue now. House Homeland Security Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said he would support an immediate move to impeach the president, even voting against Democratic leaders should they try to refer the matter to committee to sideline the debate. …
Certain to be wary are moderates and lawmakers from districts that Trump won in 2016 who have long feared blowback for such a vote. Rep. Stephanie Murphy (Fla.), who leads the conservative Blue Dog Democrats, said, “I don’t think that we have completed the process or the investigations that we need to, to take that step at this time.” Rep. Jeff Van Drew (D-N.J.), a freshman from a swing district, said he would vote against the resolution.
“I don’t think we’re there yet. I don’t think it’s healthy,” he said of Green’s effort.
No kidding. If the House Democratic caucus can’t even agree on impeachment, then what’s the point? It’s not as if the Senate, with its Republican majority, is champing at the bit to hold a trial for removal. If impeachment comes up for a floor vote and fails, not only will that infuriate voters in districts that Democrats just won by promising to be a governing party, it will infuriate progressive activists and pour gasoline on an already-raging civil war for control of the party.

Pelosi must have hoped that last night’s rebuke of Trump by House resolution would suffice and keep impeachment fever tamped down for a little longer. Instead, her own missteps might have made matters worse. As Allahpundit wrote last night, Pelosi tripped up over the House rules and ended up with egg on her face when the parliamentarian ruled her out of order and momentarily suspended her speaking privileges. She then asked two members of the Congressional Black Caucus to serve in the chair to announce that the House couldn’t accuse Trump of racism, a move that spectacularly backfired when both refused. Pelosi managed to bull her way forward through brute majority votes to ignore the rules, but she made herself look foolish and incompetent along the way.

So what’s next? Any vote to move impeachment forward will likely be the death knell of House Democrats in Trump-friendly districts. Any move to stop it will split off progressive activists and lose Democrats much of their political energy and fundraising. A referral to Jerrold Nadler’s House Judiciary Committee would get it off the front pages for about a New York minute, as Nadler would grandstand endlessly on it.

The least-worst option from this smorgasbord of disaster for Pelosi might be to force an up-or-down vote on impeachment now. Rip the Band-Aid off quickly, let the bill die, and hope that there’s enough time ahead of the election to have this fade into distant memory. Trump would claim vindication from it, but that’s got a shelf life too. The closer this drags on to the election, the worse it gets for Pelosi.

As noted above, they have to do something within two days, so all of the options are available.

Update: Politics makes strange bedfellows. According to Politico, House Republicans might side with Green — on the procedural motions, anyway:

House leaders are likely to sideline Green’s measure with their own procedural vote: either moving to table his articles and delay them or to bottle them up in the Judiciary Committee. Green has said he’ll oppose either move, but a majority of Democrats are expected to side with leadership.
Republicans are likely to join Democrats in moving to derail the measure, but Democrats are warily watching to see if Republicans consider any procedural trickery and join Green in opposing a delay and forcing the House to take an up-or-down vote on the articles of impeachment.
The shorter version of this is: Will Republicans pounce? And it’s not at all clear that sending the bill to Judiciary would “bottle up” anything. Nadler’s been agitating for impeachment too, although he’s been loyal to Pelosi in public. But this has all the earmarks of a very fun afternoon, so stay tuned.

Meanwhile, Pelosi’s about as excited at this prospect as you’d imagine.

Final vote: 332-95-1 to NOT impeach
 
I'm not down for impeachment, for the simple reason described in the article: If it goes to the floor and loses, it's going to be extremely difficult to take him out in 2020. However, if it goes to the floor and wins (not likely imo), then sure I'll be happy. I just think it's too risky, like Pelosi has been saying this whole time.

Check out this hypocritical Trump 2020 supporter hat wearing thief sucking on the tit of "FREE STUFF!!!"

 
He ALLEGEDLY disavowed it 24 times. (RIP 24 victims without justice in their lifetimes)

I'm hoping he stands by the racism just to see what will happen. Russia occupiers obviously want us staring at our feet while they fuck over Europe and export oil to Europe, other countries, infiltrate sovereign nations, attempt hacking, NUCLEAR SUBMARINE MELTDOWN AVERTED and the whole world pretends like it's no big deal... ugh.
 
Lol...it doesn't matter if he disavows or not. He's the reason why the chant exists in the first place.
 
I see we're still hanging on strong to the "Trump is racist" mantra. Can anyone dispute the Styx video I posted explaining in commonsense English how the accusations against Trump are not racist? I know that many don't actually care about the truth - only hating Trump by any means necessary (which includes lying, unfortunately).

I think he will. There’s so much Trump fatigue that he has to do outrageous things to get people to pay attention to him.

Like I mentioned, while Trump just sent the media into a predictable hysteria over his tweets (which will amount to nothing), he just made a massive change to asylum laws whereby asylum seekers must seek refuge in a different country before applying in the US. I'm surprised that this is not the focal point of the news - y'know an actual policy position as opposed to "Trump said mean things".
 
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