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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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The imperialism in the hearts of many right-leaning people in the UK is something many Americans have a hard time stomaching, even people such as myself. You can still contribute your opinions and what not.

I am sad to see Trump not jumping at the Iran T-Bone that Bolton threw him. I'm guessing he'll fumble the ball.
 
According to captain heroin every british historian and archaeologist is a racist you know what ive been restraint but ill say it your are a leftist nut just like the rest mate talking to you over the top trying to make everyone scared of having a joke or nervous because we offended the fragile little lefties aww cry me a river, good day
 
i see my opinion and me generally are not wanted in this thread
thats an interesting point, for better or worse most of the traffic in this sub forum is mods talking at each other stroking their egos, brightened with occasional amusing little gifs.

I like your input Pete, its different, I don't agree with some of the stuff you say but it does make me consider things from a different point of view.

Every dog has his day, the British empire has had its day and morphed and was subsumed into the American empire and one day the sun will set on the American empire too.

I would have gone for jingoistic over braggadocius but then I'm not moderator of words here

can we return to the scheduled broadcast about Trumps presidency now?
 
Please get back on topic.

There's another thread for this discussion.

Thanks! ?

 
Im just gonna reply to every problem with qed now talke to the qed not really anyway back on topic seriously I hope Trump the best ofcourse and hope to see him and his antics for another term I raise my coffee mug to you mr president may your strong voice of reason and truth drive away the negative repetativeness thst is the left cheers aye
 
what the hell does q e d mean
if you want the detaiks, mate look it up yourself I cba messing sbout to pull up old links and articles especially since it probably wont make a difference you im on the other side of the politcal offense

pretty crap response, eh?

:)

to answer the question, q.e.d. stands for "quod erat demonstrandum". literally translated as "what was to be shown", it means that the proof is show and the argument is complete. i posted it because, when you post mocking insults as you do, you're really just making other peoples' point for them.

alasdair
 
I'm still questioning the validity, on both sides, of these extended searches (from the left) and defiance (from Trump's camp). I believe there's no substance, and it's simply looking further and further into the weeds to find something, anything, no matter how small. I believe they will find something, anything, no matter how small, because Trump is who he is and has a lot of history where not everything will be rosy and perfect. I'd be willing to bet every person has a few regrets they'd rather not have brought up. So for the left, it still feels to me like a 'witch hunt' done with knowledge that something, anything, no matter how small will be found. And when I look at Trump, I'm seeing this defiance fueled by three factors - 1) occupy the left because they will continue to look indefinitely, answer one request and there's ten more behind them, and at least now you know what bone they are chewing on; 2) indignation at being attacked relentlessly without substance for over two years and "Get the fk off my dk" type mentality which I fully expect his ego has taken to heart; and 3) a bit of insecurity that eventually there will be something, anything, no matter how small...and how bad will it get blown up on him?


I know a lot of people don't like Trump the man...but I've never seen any President, or politician in general, subjected to what he has endured. Then again, I wasn't paying attention to Presidents much before Reagan. And I only saw Reagan based on my age and the high profile news of us vs Russia.
 
I know a lot of people don't like Trump the man...but I've never seen any President, or politician in general, subjected to what he has endured. Then again, I wasn't paying attention to Presidents much before Reagan. And I only saw Reagan based on my age and the high profile news of us vs Russia.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but let's say you're right. I'd also say I've never seen any president, and not many politicians, engage in the kind of shenanigans trump has either.

Like him or hate him, he's an unusual president who's going to provoke unusual reactions.

As an example, probably the one of the first things I found particularly crazy about trump from during the campaign, was how I can't recall a presidential candidate campaigning by repeatedly promising to lock up their political opponent.
 
Yeah Trump totally brought it on himself with "HACK HER EMAILS, LOCK HER UP" chants. That and all the shit he said about Obama not being an American citizen. I mean, come on.

TLB you were around for Birtherism. What are your thoughts on how that compares to Trump crying wolf?
 
Like him or hate him, he's an unusual president who's going to provoke unusual reactions.

As an example, probably the one of the first things I found particularly crazy about trump from during the campaign, was how I can't recall a presidential candidate campaigning by repeatedly promising to lock up their political opponent.

Great point, thank you for giving the example. As some love to point out, the man's words rarely match his actions (doing 'that' is bad...but then he starts doing 'that'), or all the times people point to his words as lies. I'm not going to absolve him of these, as I find it disappointing for anyone to engage like that, much less our President. However, it has set a steady pattern of proving you cannot put value to his words. I honestly didn't pay much attention to him until he was elected, so as a businessman or tv personality I am assuming he has always been more about making noise with his words as opposed to actually meaning them. Whether it is a distraction from what he's actually trying to do (as his supporters may claim) or proof the man can't be counted on for anything (as his opposition will claim), I find myself unable to put weight to his words either way.

So, I then look at his actions. For the most part, those align with what I'd want. He's not taken office and turned the gov't into his personal hunt of HRC to lock her up and support the outlandish statements. As much as he's been attacked and investigated, he has allowed his camp (his son comes to mind foremost) and Barr (who did appear before congress) and others to cooperate with these attacks and investigations. Yeah, he's drawing a line now saying enough is enough, but he has not avoided or blocked these things out of the gate. Even with his requests to obstruct (if interpreted that way), his team did not obey out of knowing it was wrong to do so. I'll give him credit for (accidently?) having staff in place that prevents him from screwing up such things that have to be eating at him personally. Honestly, that's the biggest takeaway for me, his actions show he is not the childish self serving person he sounds like, because he hasn't done things to act petty or vindictive towards his attackers. That, in the face of what he's up against, does improve my opinion of him.

I also consider how easy it would be to lose time arguing against these accusations, and instead, he is taking on domestic (less) and global (more) areas that I would want my President to be addressing. The ability to focus on the real issues to address whilst under investigation and scrutiny, impresses me. His snarky tweets, do not. But his tweets aren't going to change my country, his actions are.

I think you are spot on (as usual). HE did bring a lot of new types of criticism that previous Presidents haven't faced, by his rhetoric, and such lambasting is due. But his actions, in comparison with those against him, are unbalanced, IMO.


TLB you were around for Birtherism. What are your thoughts on how that compares to Trump crying wolf?

Honestly, I shrugged it off at the time as noise from a petty childish person on the outside of it. Trump wasn't the only one bleating about it, and to your point (as I read it) he is now being subjected to the type of 'check it out, he aint right to be there' which he was supporting and throwing at Obama. Tell me, how far did Reps or anyone else take the birther claims? And, when any sort of investigative results were provided....did they pursue looking for anything, no matter how small, in Obama's history with which to attack him with hopes of removing him from office? Or did it die off, and the country moved on? I'm not seeing the left 'move on' (ha, nice re-use of a slogan) except to look for another issue, any issue, to attack.
 
do you genuinely think there's no substance to these investigations @TheLoveBandit ? no substance at all?

trump feels that the mueller report completely exonerated him but, with specific regard to obstruction, i think that's fantasy. note to mention the other stuff jessfr and c.h. touched on.

do you think there's nothing to the emoluments case?

i find his claims that he's immune and congress can't investigate whether the president violated the law extremely troubling. and it's not just me. and it's not just democrats...

rep. ken buck said:
I’m in Congress. I’m aligned with Congress. I’m not aligned with the executive branch. And I think we have oversight authority over the administration...And if the president has acted illegally, then I think we have oversight authority.

alasdair
 
But his tweets aren't going to change my country, his actions are.
Trump would probably dissagree with you here. He was literally just bragging about how his tweets are changing the stock market.

Or did it die off, and the country moved on? I'm not seeing the left 'move on' (ha, nice re-use of a slogan) except to look for another issue, any issue, to attack.
To be honest, I haven't moved on from the attack on Obama's birthplace. It left a bad taste in mouth that I won't soon forget.
 
do you genuinely think there's no substance to these investigations @TheLoveBandit ? no substance at all?

No. Two years of a very determined Mueller team investigation not being able to find dirt tells me there isn't meat to these investigations.

do you think there's nothing to the emoluments case?

Looking for something, anything, no matter how small....and it will be found, no matter how small.

i find his claims that he's immune

Bravado? Naivete? I can't explain it, but I am fully aligned with you in thinking he is, in fact, not immune. To what degree, he will learn. In the meantime, I still hear his words as meaningless noise for the most part.
 
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