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CEPS Well Hung Parliament (CEPS Social/Off Topic)

Captain.Heroin said:
my open question to anti-war, far leftists, WHAT PART OF DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO ISRAEL DON'T YOU GET?
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the meme thread isn't the place to answer this (and tbh the social thread isn't the best either), but I can answer as a far leftist - we say "death to America" too, just not in the same way. the whole concept of the state (including city states and nation states) needs to go away; so it's not so much "death to America" but "death to all nation states", borders are violence and immoral af
 
nations can exist with open borders, I think that's something you know too and are being oblivious to. Because you're smart and have obviously heard of the concept when people like rattle on about it endlessly. *shrugs*

I don't want a one-government world. It would be borderless imperialism and the sense that you hate such things so much but are in fact pushing for it in a way is a bit odd to me.
 
tathra said:
*polishes Combat Infantry Badge and Afghanistan Campaign Medal*
you're welcome ?
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BABY KILLER!

I'm just kidding, thank you for your service. ?

How did you get through military service without everyone hating you though, I thought most of the people in the military were pro-gov't, pro-arms, etc. Most are Republican, some Libertarians etc. ? Low left-ist turnout in military?

OH and you can move this post to the social thread if you want, let me dig up some good memes
 
we don't want a one government world either, we want a no government world. and we especially don't want a world run by psychopathic tribal warlord ancaps either. the world ancoms want can't be achieved through violence, only through praxis and education

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I wasn't born a radical ancom, I've just been moving further and further leftlib as I get older, from a conservative christian start. but it's not like being one interferes with military duties, centrists, progressives, and leftists are essential in the military to keep reactionaries from committing the countless war crimes they join to commit, the rape, murder, and pillage they desire and their reason for joining. they do it and get away with it too much because there aren't enough of us, but it would be 100x worse if the military was full of nothing but reactionaries

there's a lot of progressive and leftist veterans, the US military is a really good cross section of US society
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I seriously don't think anyone in the military wants to rape and kill people. If they do they are likely outliers and should have been filtered by mental health screenings.

I like your freethinking ways even if I disagree with a lot of what you say. Keep up the brain, comrade.
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remember which of us was actually in the military, for a long fucking time. though the really bad ones fetishize military and military service but are too cowardly to ever join themselves. fashies make me so fucking sick on so many levels
 
tathra said:
we don't want a one government world either, we want a no government world. and we especially don't want a world run by psychopathic tribal warlord ancaps either. the world ancoms want can't be achieved through violence, only through praxis and education

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all those shortened terminologies go right over my head because I'm ignorant. You can blame the US public education for being an expensive waste.

you seem to believe that a small group of people could own *everything* and I think that's absurdly impossible.
 
tathra said:
remember which of us was actually in the military, for a long fucking time. though the really bad ones fetishize military and military service but are too cowardly to ever join themselves. fashies make me so fucking sick on so many levels
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Yeah but if you espouse pro-fascist views in the military that's really dangerous too. You're basically painting a target on your back. Basically because of WWII.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
How did you get through military service without everyone hating you though, I thought most of the people in the military were pro-gov't, pro-arms, etc. Most are Republican, some Libertarians etc. ? Low left-ist turnout in military?
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I'm sure it shouldn't come as a surprise, but most people join the military for financial incentives, not to kill 'sand-n*****s'. Maybe they didn't know what to do with themselves following high school and needed a way to fund college. Maybe they got themselves in trouble or ostracized and needed a way to pick themselves back up. People who've never been in the armed forces don't seem to realize how complete the financial care offered really is. Military health care is almost completely free. The vast majority of service members are average joes like you and me, not murder-obsessed psychopaths. Even within the combat arms branches there's people who hold 'left' beliefs.

Also, I think it's entirely possible to be extremely pro-firearm ownership, while still holding far left beliefs. I consider myself to be as such. I honestly think automatic firearms should still be legal, but the majority of my beliefs about how to run government seem to be very socialist in nature.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Also, I think it's entirely possible to be extremely pro-firearm ownership, while still holding far left beliefs.
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the far left is completely and fully against regulating firearms. its liberals (center right) that want gun regulation, leftists want workers, minorities, the homeless, and the oppressed to be armed, and cops and military disarmed
 
tathra said:
the far left is completely and fully against regulating firearms. its liberals (center right) that want gun regulation, leftists want workers, minorities, the homeless, and the oppressed to be armed, and cops and military disarmed
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Well I don't want to arm people, or to disarm the military because they haven't been used against civilians in America since the 60s that I know of. And of course, if citizens are armed, it's only fair that law enforcement is too. But they shouldn't have access to any more powerful weaponry than the average citizen is permitted.

I agree with a lot of what you talk about tathra but I don't understand the arming the homeless thing. I think such an action would only create problems. I don't believe in a Bolshevik style revolution, I just think that equality should be forced via law and regulation.
 
arming the homeless is to kill landlords. nobody should be allowed to own and profit off another's need for shelter

the number of abandoned and vacant homes far outnumbers the homeless in the US, arming the homeless makes that solve itself, and there'll still be millions of empty homes leftover once all the homeless have a place to stay
 
I foresee that an armed homeless population would likely not stop at simply finding shelter. While I believe in wealth redistribution, having people who are merely an armed mob enact such redistribution would likely lead to something I see as post-apocalyptic, where people just go around taking whatever they so please by force. It discourages any sort of drive to earn capitol via intellectual means.
 
I agree. The problem is finding a way in which to educate people about the fact that they truly are oppressed instead of temporarily impoverished millionaires. Otherwise you get what we have today; people voting against their own best interest due to sensationalism, dogma, and propaganda.
 
the first step is abolishing capitalism, which rewards selfishness, sociopathy, and betrayal, and replacing it with an economic system that's democratic and meritocratic
 
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