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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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alasdairm said:
see the big picture.
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Great point - there are many factors at play, but they are often only presented individually (bad, or good) to make a point (I wasn't trying to drive a point, I was actually fishing for the rest of the labor force info). I'll admit, I'm braindead at the end of a particularly life sucking week (hence this escape to CEPS). I am failing to connect the unemployment rate with the Gov't deficit. In my mind, employment is an important factor on it's own - is America at work, producing goods and sustaining families? Is the economy working for the people?

I see the budget as "where does the gov't spend it's money and is it overspending compared to what it makes?" Unless it is employing the masses, which I believe we've seen a reduction in gov't employment (though I can't cite it) and an increase in wages in general (again, not seeing how that ties to budget either). Gov't is a decreasing employer, not a consumer of the goods produced (on a noticeable level, I believe), so how is gov't overspending effecting employment? Can you help me connect the deficit to employment levels?


Focusing on budgets and deficits in general, does anyone believe it will get smaller? I think nobody expects it under Trump. But looking further out, I personally can't see the budgets ever getting smaller (though their growth may be held back at best), and I'm not seeing any politician proposing, much less capable, of running a surplus. There's way more being promised to the people from both sides to ever be effectively supported, IMO.
 
i understand what you're saying and generally agree tlb.

i just get tired for the trumpers touting a booming economy as if that's all that matters. as if everything is ok because the dow hit 26,000. as if it demonstrates that trump's a great president.

forget the fact that the trend has been upwards - with obvious corrections and blips and the odd recession - for basically ever. and forget deregulation that allows business to pollute because that's less important than profit. and fuck tomorrow, care only about today. and forget that 400 americans are worth more than half of all other americans combined.

america is the greatest country in the world and about 12% of its citizens live in poverty while the walton family, bill gates and jeff bezos are worth $400 billion...

dow's at 26,504.95 so nothing to worry about :(

alasdair
 
Derschieber said:
Any government that spends more than what it has, during peace time, is a failed government, as far as I am concerned.
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Id say that's a very simplistic and silly view of economics.

The reality is far more complex. For one you gotta define what it is we have. If the amount we have is our GDP, we don't spend more than that.

If what we have is in dollars it becomes particularly silly, because we have our own fiat currency. So how much we have is entirely up to us.

Which BTW is why America can't go bankrupt unless it chooses to go bankrupt. We owe money to other governments, but we owe it in a currency we control. So it's impossible for us to be unable to pay those debts. We'd only default if defaulting were a better option than the alternative.

Which is where countries like Greece run into trouble. Because they owe money in a currency they don't control.
 
alasdairm said:
america is the greatest country in the world and about 12% of its citizens live in poverty while the walton family, bill gates and jeff bezos are worth $400 billion...
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Hello again.
The Walton, bezos and gates didn't steal their money from the 12%.
Go hang out with the 12%, see for yourself why they are poor, why neither you or anyone else can help them out of poverty.
The 12% is very familiar to me...like family lol. The Waltons up the road don't owe us anything. Do they owe you something? Are you a member of the 12%family?
The poor are everywhere, in every country, at all times, now and forever more. In America, a person can graduate highschool, get up early and work hard, avoid having children out of wedlock and pretty much have guaranteed success. Now that's Great.

And remember. Trump is not THAT bad. You really can relax now, and nothing bad will happen :)
Maybe spend some time with family, a loved one...SWIM in the ocean. Just think... if we never think about Trump ever again starting right now, all of us here...the quality of our lives will improve.
Like quitting cigarettes...actually, it's more like a porn addiction lol coming here, jerking off over how nasty Trump is ...so gross omg
I can feel another ban coming on ?
Don't be afraid of me. What's the worst thing that could happen?
 
In other words, you are saying that you recognize the behavior that gets you banned. I'll keep that in mind.
 
Jess,
I think you are a kind hearted person.
It's really nice that you are here :)

I regret freaking you out a little that last time.
 
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i didn't say anything about the waltons stealing money from the 12% did i?

it was a general comment on wealth disparity.

you think trump's not that bad. i respect your opinion. i think he is that bad and he proves it every day.

afraid of you? where's that coming from? what a bizarre non sequitor...

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
it was a general comment on wealth disparity.
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It is an expression of the (predictable) misery that people here are fostering within themselves.
The context is America under the Trump administration.
Neither America nor President Trump is THAT bad.
12% are poor. ok.
88% are not :) I'm glad about that. You can be too.

Of course you are not afraid of me.
I was speaking to those who would delete my conversations before banning me into the everlasting lakes of fire.
 
Derschieber said:
It is an expression of the (predictable) misery that people here are fostering within themselves.
The context is America under the Trump administration.
Neither America nor President Trump is THAT bad.
12% are poor. ok.
88% are not :) I'm glad about that. You can be too.

Of course you are not afraid of me.
I was speaking to those who would delete my conversations before banning me into the everlasting lakes of fire.
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alasdair
 
Many people did not vote for Trump because he is such a swell guy.
They voted for Trump because they reject the identity politics of the left.

It must be a bitter pill to swallow for the people on the left, the realization that it was YOU all along, who is the problem.

That bitter pill is your clue if you ever start wondering why you can not stop obsessing about a man with whom you want nothing to do with.
 
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I wouldn't bother saying these things, if I didn't respect you.

You don't like Trump.
Absolutely not.
Your mind is made up.
You will never vote for him, or promote anything to do with him.
You know what you want, and why you want it.

I can certainly respect that.

Why waste one more moment of your precious life thinking about such a person?
Your mind is 100% made up. You loath the guy. I understand.
How can Trump hold any interest for you?
How can Trump not be the very last thing you want to hear or talk about?
Who spends hours upon hours researching, reading and studying about someone you want nothing to do with?
What is that?

How many more years have you got left?
We'll all be dead soon. Remember?
Is this how you want to spend your remaining time?
Meditating on the the shortcomings of Donald Trump?

I am convinced beyond and doubt that you people here are making yourselves miserable, not because you think this is a great way to spend your time, but because you are compelled to do so.
MSM has been feeding out a constant stream of addictive garbage. It tastes good. I get that. But it is making you miserable, and it shows.
You have gained nothing. There is not even a high. In order to relieve the misery, you swallow more junk with double hand-fulls.

Forget Trump. Reading through that muller report thingy is akin to some meth addict frantically carpet surfing. Found any good crumbs dude?
yea...I bet.

Walk away from this rubbish. Take a four week break. Avoid that man like you would the plague. You hate him, remember?
Just walk away.

Drop of the key Lee
Get on the Bus Gus
And set yourself free

Your worth it :)
 
This is the politics section of bluelight. It's where we talk about politics. Just as a great many people choose to do with their time.

A lot of us hate or just disapprove of trump for various reasons, so that's what we talk about.

But guess what. This subforum might be about politics, but the wider forum of bluelight is not. Presumably noone here came here looking to talk about trump. Talking about trump is simply a recreational distraction.

I certainly don't spend all day thinking about trump. I'm not miserable because trumps president. And I think any suggestion that anyone here is is very unfounded.

Also I'm getting kinda sick of trump defenders claiming everyone who sees trump for the narcissistic egomaniac he is are just sheep believing whatever the mainstream media says. I don't consume much mainstream media at all. I've heard several other people here say the same.

I know trump keeps telling his supporters that the media is dedicated to bringing him down in the eyes of the public, but many of us find that trump does an excellent job of doing that all on his own.
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
Do you think I want to be here on earth?
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I'm guessing you might...I mean, most people do, don't they?
I think you get my point.
What can we do about it? Nothing.
But we can walk away.

Imagine not thinking about Donald Trump for one month.
Is there really nothing better you can put in his place?
 
Derschieber said:
magine not thinking about Donald Trump for one month.
Is there really nothing better you can put in his place?
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Judging by your inability to make an on topic post without mention of Trump, I would guess not thinking about him remains purely fantasy for you.

Of course, I can not blame you for talking about Trump in the Trump thread, although you don't seem to have a problem with condemning others for doing the exact same.
 
JessFR said:
I'm not miserable because trumps president. And I think any suggestion that anyone here is is very unfounded.
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The last time I made a point of (easily) bringing that misery up to the surface here, the entire conversation was deleted, but not before banning me with considerable malice. Not you personally. I'm not upset about any of that. This is not a complaint against you or anyone.

I'm glad that you are not miserable. I have said my piece, and do not intend to labor the point.
 
Mafioso said:
talking about Trump
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Talking about someone is not the problem. Obsessively ingesting & regurgitating slanderous gossip is unhealthy at all times, even when it is about someone you loath.
This is my second conversation here. At no time have I indulged anyone's desire to talk about Trump. That is not why I am here.

Greetings by the way :)
I'm glad to meet again.
 
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