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Where's AOC???

There's nothing wrong with being a deep liberal, pretending to care about the welfare of the common man while hoarding the wealth all to yourself. JG, I thought Ellsworth Toohey from The Fountainhead would have been right up your alley if not literally your blueprint for your personality.

Why so much hate for AOC?
 
cduggles said:
Breitbart? Seriously? Okay.
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Um..do we really wanna go after sources? I think there are times for that, and it's not done enough. BUT, it's an endless journey, I believe, in that so much of it is opinions and bullshit lacking facts. But when it's all you have, it's all you have.

I had some time, so I followed your links (thanks for sharing):


https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/conservatives-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rich-bronx/

One woman's response to Mr. Knowles (The latest attack comes from actor, columnist, and podcaster Michael Knowles). Actor, columnist, and podcaster. That's the seed for this argument? Has anybody ever heard of this guy? Why would ANYONE give his accusations credence to begin with? She blows his statements out of the water (let's score one for truth...or at least, someone else's truth). Then she goes on to say this is a Republican belief (that AOC is secretly rich) and leans on the sage insights of an activist to support this broad brush statement?
This longstanding Republican concern over her upbringing and net worth speaks volumes about their values and beliefs.

Activist Ian Madrigal, the activist who attends congressional hearings as the Monopoly Man, said, “The right-wing conspiracy theory that @Ocasio2018 is secretly wealthy reveals their deep discomfort with class mobility. With all the lectures about bootstraps, conservatives don’t believe a poor person can ever be their equal. She MUST be a rich girl in disguise.”
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How are Democrats not picking apart Trump's presenting himself as an awesome negotiator and businessman NOT an example that speaks volumes about their values and beliefs? Something comes to mind about a goose and some gander. Though, I suppose it is only an issue when the other side does it (and yes, I say that meaning ALL parties do this - get pissed about the other guys doing what they themselves do, it's ridiculous IMO).

Still, if people can tear Trump to shreds about his self described 'earned' ascension (very rightfully so, IMO) then I believe AOC should not be exempt from the same scrutiny. I'm just holding out faith she is what she says - a hard working woman who did all she could to get thru college and support her family. Personally, I like that she beat an incumbent (regardless of party) with a fraction of his corporate funding, as she relied on individual donors for the most part and GOT.IT.DONE in winning her office. That, I really respect.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-credit/

Paraphrasing..."Snopes? Really? Okay". Known left leaner but whatever - historically trusted source to debunk crap. What to they have?

On 16 January 2019, a day after Ocasio-Cortez announced that she would be joining the House Financial Services Committee, Facebook user Donn Johnson posted a message alleging that Ocasio-Cortez was an ill fit for this position and claimed, without evidence, that she had had two checking accounts closed, that she had been the subject of two “sheriff evictions,” and that her credit score was a lowly 430:
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A facebook poster? Someone they traced to be a security guard in Florida who obviously would have no access to such information and is clearly making shit up? And they lay out how many paragraphs to say he is making shit up? No DUH! But, rather than search upstream (short journey, given it leads to his ass to find his source of info), no they instead highlight how many other idiots on FB and twitter echoed the unsubstantiated bullshit and ... surprise! none of them had a source either to back it up. DUH! And they went on to highlight the FOX article, which actually gave substance to counter the facebook poster.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wh...ings-to-know-about-the-new-york-congresswoman

That bastion of conservative bias and slant actually backs up AOC and throws no shade at her. So, do we trust Fox? Idunno.

http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/ocasio-cortez-finances-629503

For anyone with the time - THIS is the gem CD provided us. The first few links are questionable, IMO in how they try to truth-out a couple of numbskulls who shouldn't have been heard from in the first place. Fox did a decent overview, but THIS gives a very, very good review of what her family faced during her youth. Yeah, several mentions of liens, and other difficulties her father faced, but all in all they always survived and came thru. No evictions for her family (and not for HER personally as an adult), though her father faced foreclosure more than once. All in all, it shows her dad raising the family on a thin budget with tight times. Then after he passed there is NO indication of wealth for anyone in the family, nor any financial issues (ie, the fictional evictions or credit scores, or any of other made up crap).

Essentially, THIS should be the nail in the coffin for discussing AOC's upbringing and 'wealth' or lack thereof. Thank you, CD, you fulfilled that hope I had that "she is what she says - a hard working woman who did all she could to get thru college and support her family". I still think she's a blithering idiot on a lot of things, but she has my respect for this and I don't need to entertain any more made up crap about her in this regard. It is as it should be, she can be judged on her words and actions going forward, not for lies about her past, at least in my book.
 
Glad to know AOC is truly committed to a Democratic majority, by threatening to primary 26 of her more moderate colleagues *sarcasm*.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...t-moderate-democrats-on-a-list-to-be-unseated

All but four come from districts Donald Trump won in 2016. If all of were beaten by a primary challenger who went on to lose the general election, Democrats would again be the minority party. Way to cut off your nose to spite your face, AOC.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/27/26-democrats-ice-amendment-gun-bill/

Good quote from Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Virginia) on MSNBC this morning:
"She's [AOC] not used to what happens on the floor, and it's an educational process; I went through it too, as a freshman. Threats and intimidation are not the way to deal with colleagues. We need moments of discussion, persuasion and understanding to move forward."
 
Checking your links for a bit:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...t-moderate-democrats-on-a-list-to-be-unseated

“She said that when activists ask her why she had to vote for a gun safety bill that also further empowers an agency that forcibly injects kids with psychotropic drugs, they’re going to want a list of names and she’s going to give it to them,” spokesperson Corbin Trent said, referring to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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Um...what? Can anyone enlighten me to wtf she's referring to? It appears to point to ICE, but the injection thing? I have not heard of this. Can anyone help?

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/27/26-democrats-ice-amendment-gun-bill/

I get the issue of trying to get your party members on the same page, but I agree with aihfl given those particular folks are in a district where they need to respond to their constituents over the party line. Replace them in primaries with someone closer to the party line and they likely won't win election in those districts.

One part that stuck out to me from the article is

The House passed the first major new gun bill (H.R. 8) since 2013 with a 240–190 vote Wednesday, which would require mandatory background checks to be performed on those wishing to purchase firearms, including illegal immigrants.

At the last minute, Republicans used the “motion to recommit”— which gives the House one last opportunity to debate and amend a measure — to add an amendment that seeks to report illegal immigrants who undergo the gun-buyer background check to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The motion to recommit the amendment, which was proposed by Florida Republican Rep. Greg Steube, surprised the public when it passed by a 220-209 vote. (RELATED: House Democrats Pass Gun Control Bill Expanding Background Checks)
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I get where gun owners are upset as this leads to a registry for gun owners (and feared gov't collecting of guns) whereas criminals don't register and this doesn't deter them. However, the idea of running background checks seems like that ever elusive 'common sense' and a step towards ensuring the wrong folks don't get their hands on weapons (I know, I know, it still doesn't address criminals NOR does it stop family members from grabbing them). I struggle to see how those in favor of background checks cannot be in favor of reporting to ICE any illegals. This just seems like an opportunity to enforce the law AND keep guns in preferred hands. I see the leap from 'gun control' to 'reporting of illegals' but to me it makes sense to use the opportunity presented.
 
aihfl said:

I first encountered this news when it was being reported on MSNBC. CNN and the NY Times has reported on it as well. It's more than likely credible.


For once, I am in complete agreement with JGrimez. I have disliked AOC ever since she made overt threats to have members of the Problems Solvers Caucus primaried, two of whom are Central Florida Democrats: Stephanie Murphy (D-Winter Park), former DoD intelligence analyst and college professor, and Darren Soto (D-Kissimmee), trial attorney and former state representative and senator. I know AOC is educated out the yin yang, but I make no apologies for thinking that US representative shouldn't be an entry-level job. She's just another entitled, self-absorbed millennial who grew up in the age of social media and knows how to manipulate it to her advantage.
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Is aoc really that educated? I dont even think she has a higher degree or law degree? I mean she wouldnt have been bartending if she was that educated would she?

I get what your saying but I think it's better having her in there than some bribed 15 yr veteran.

Shell be bribed soon though too. If not already
 
She's on a fairly steep learning curve in a white-hot spotlight. Give her two ticks.

She did well during the Michael Cohen questioning. Credit where credit is due.

It is troubling that people can focus this much on a junior member of the House of Representative while no one even expects Trump to know basic facts or make sense.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Is aoc really that educated? I dont even think she has a higher degree or law degree? I mean she wouldnt have been bartending if she was that educated would she?
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I am not aware that she has any post baccalaureate degrees, but she did graduate cum laude from Boston University. And it's not like she hasn't done high profile stuff; she did launch a publishing company and did education outreach for the National Hispanic Institute, but the reality is that kind of stuff doesn't pay bupkis. I know, I work for a nonprofit myself. My beef with AOC is that she seems more interested in being in the national spotlight than she does representing her constituents, and for her frequent threats against more moderate members of her caucus.
 
She has a degree in international relations with a minor in economics.
 
From that article:

Ocasio-Cortez's defense of Omar began in response to a tweet from Rep. Juan Vargas, D-Calif., who said, "It is disturbing that Rep. Omar continues to perpetuate hurtful anti-Semitic stereotypes that misrepresent our Jewish community. Additionally, questioning support for the U.S.-Israel relationship is unacceptable."

She asked Vargas to "further explain his stance" and said many Democratic members of Congress have said that "debate on this issue is fair and merited."

"Is this stance a departure from that?" she wondered.

"History shows that making some questions 'unacceptable' is a mistake," she said, citing the decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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So I totally agree with the last thing she says in my quote. I don't know anything about this really, and obviously anti-semitic remarks are unacceptable. I'm not sure what tweet is being referred to in the article by Rep. Omar. However, the bolded and underlined part (my emphasis) above is, IMO, nonsense. How is it unacceptable to question our aid of a foreign power? We should be able to question our relationship with Israel, since when is that "unacceptable"? Israel has done some fucked up things, and even if they haven't, why should it not be allowed to wonder whether we should support them against Palestine or not? AOC's last comment in my quote is, IMO, quite true.

Okay I read some more:

Last month, Omar apologized for tweets she posted implying money from pro-Israel lobbying groups like the American Israel Public Affairs Committee was responsible for stifling debate about Palestine. Critics said her comments invoked old conspiratorial stereotypes about Jewish money controlling global politics.
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I don't see how this is anti-semitic. Just because there is a stereotype about a group's money controlling global policies doesn't mean you can't question whether a group's money has stifled debate on a particular issue. The situation between Israel and Palestine is intense and complicated and the idea that we can't question our support of Israel and that we can't suggest that any pro-Israel groups are trying to affect policy is not only silly, it's dangerous. We should be free to question anything, that's not bigotry.

Perhaps there is more to the story in which case I am unaware.

From a new article I just saw on Yahoo:

House speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday asserted that Representative Ilhan Omar’s (D., Minn.) recent claim that her pro-Israel colleagues are motivated by a “dual loyalty” to the U.S. and Israel was not “intentionally anti-Semitic.”
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Again I don't see how this is anti-Semitic. I think this is an example of the word "racist" being thrown around way too easily.
 
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WATCH: Ocasio-Cortez Tries To Grill Wells Fargo's CEO. He Destroys Her.

The hearing, held by Democrat Chairwoman Maxine Waters, was titled, "Holding Megabanks Accountable: An Examination of Wells Fargo’s Pattern of Consumer Abuses."

The Los Angeles Times reported: "Sloan was the first megabank chief executive whom Waters, an outspoken critic of Wells Fargo, summoned to appear before the House Financial Services Committee since she took over as its chairwoman in January following the midterm elections that gave Democrats control of the House."

Ocasio-Cortez used her time during the hearing to push her political agenda against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and against the fossil fuel industry.

"Why was the bank involved in the caging of children and financing the caging of children to begin with?" Ocasio-Cortez asked.

"I don't know how to answer that question because we weren't," Sloan responded.

"Uh, so in finan--, you've, you were financing, involved in debt financing in CoreCivic and GEO group, correct?" Ocasio-Cortez responded.

"For a period of time, we were involved in financing one of the firms, we are not anymore," Sloan responded. "I'm not familiar with the specific assertion you are making, we were not involved in that."

It only got worse from there.

"Should Wells Fargo be held responsible for the damages incurred by Climate Change due to the financing of fossil fuels and these projects?" Ocasio-Cortez asked.

"I don't know how'd you calculate that, Congresswoman," Sloan responded.


"Say from spills, or when we have to reinvest in infrastructure building sea walls from the erosion of, um, from the erosion of infrastructure or cleanups, wildfires, etc...," Ocasio-Cortez said.

"Related to that pipeline?" Sloan replied. "I'm not aware that there's been any of what you've described that's occurred that's related to that pipeline."

Growing frustrated, Ocasio-Cortez talked over Sloan as he finished answering her question, asking, "How about, uh, the cleans up from the leaks of the Dakota Access pipeline?"

"I'm not aware of the leaks associated with the Dakota Access pipeline that you're describing," Sloan responded.

"So, hypothetically, if there was a leak from the Dakota Access pipeline, why shouldn't Wells Fargo pay for the clean up of it since it paid for the construction of the pipeline itself?"

"Because we don't operate the pipeline, we provide financing to the company that's operating the pipeline," Sloan answered.
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she must have not went to the best schools and gotten the best grades. not a stable genius with like a really really high IQ. one of the highest of all time.

i would love to blame wells fargo for that time i got a bunch of cash on credit, got really fucking high and crashed my car.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
i would love to blame wells fargo for that time i got a bunch of cash on credit, got really fucking high and crashed my car.
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Off topic, but CT courts said you can sue gun manufacturers (part of the Sandy Hook trials). State Supreme Court overturns lower court ruling, says Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington


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On topic:

SOLVED: The Mystery of AOC?s Rise to Power



Host of the video has that annoying monotonous conspiracy theorist voice, but everything he puts forth is 100% backed up with video clips of AOC and her staff. Some of the accusations he levels are the same stuff people have been saying for awhile, but he goes deeper as to who is behind her and why. I'd love to see some rebuttal of this.
 
i'm told that the american dream is that anybody can, with hard work and a dream, ascend to anything to which they set their mind.

here's an educational director and bartender who graduated cum laude from BU majoring in international relations and economics. she defeated a 10-term incumbent in her primary and was elected to congress with 78% of the vote in her district.

it's funny/sad/whatever to see people say she should go back to bartending. fuck the american dream, i guess, if you can't handle an opinionated woman in a position of power...

:)

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
i'm told that the american dream is that anybody can, with hard work and a dream, ascend to anything to which they set their mind.

here's an educational director and bartender who graduated cum laude from BU majoring in international relations and economics. she defeated a 10-term incumbent in her primary and was elected to congress with 78% of the vote in her district.

it's funny/sad/whatever to see people say she should go back to bartending. fuck the american dream, i guess, if you can't handle an opinionated woman in a position of power...

:)

alasdair
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conservatives: pull yourself up by your bootstraps!
AOC *goes from bartender to federal congresswoman*
conservatives: NOT LIKE THAT
 
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