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Fatal police shooting in front of Cascade Middle School was justified, DA rules

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Fatal police shooting in front of Cascade Middle School was justified, DA rules

By Christian Hill
Posted Jan 24, 2019 at 2:27 PM
Updated Jan 25, 2019 at 10:09 AM

Lane County District Attorney Patty Perlow cleared Thursday the two Eugene police officers involved in the Jan. 11 fatal shooting of Charles Landeros in front of Cascade Middle School, saying there?s ?no clearer circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this.?

Officer Steve Timm shot Landeros, 30, once in the head after Landeros moments earlier pulled out a handgun and fired twice in Timm?s direction. Landeros was struggling on the ground with a second officer, Aaron Johns, when Timm, who had not been injured, fired the fatal shot, according to a news release from Perlow and accompanying body cam video footage released by her office.

The struggle occurred as officers were arresting Landeros for failing to comply with their orders to leave the school. The officers were called to the school around 10:30 a.m. to mediate a custody dispute involving Landeros? daughter, who happened upon the scene moments before the shooting.

Perlow concluded that both officers acted appropriately in removing Landeros from the school and they had probable cause to arrest Landeros for disorderly conduct and trespass.

?Upon making the arrest, their lives, and the lives of others, were placed in danger by Mr. Landeros physically resisting that arrest, brandishing a firearm and firing it twice,? Perlow said. ?It is unknown why Charles Landeros chose to use deadly force in this circumstance, but he clearly had no regard for the lives of the police officers or the students or staff present, including his child.?

She added: ?Officer Timm saved the life of Officer Johns, himself and perhaps many others given the number of rounds Charles Landeros had loaded in his weapon. There is no clearer circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this.?

The magazine in the gun Landeros drew was equipped with a device that expanded its capacity to 20 rounds from 18, which doesn?t include the gun?s chambered round. Landeros had a second magazine on a gun belt and was wearing a backpack that contained additional ammunition of a different caliber, Perlow said.

Video footage from the body cameras of the two officers show Landeros protesting the officers? order and then appearing to react to the daughter?s appearance, shouting, ?Go, go,? and moving as Johns pushes Landeros out the school?s front doors and against a wall outside. The footage also shows the ensuing struggle and Landeros drawing a weapon and pointing it at Timm prior to the fatal shooting. The entire physical altercation spanned about 23 seconds.

Two eyewitnesses confirmed Landeros drew a weapon and fired first, Perlow said. Landeros? daughter also witnessed the struggle and the shootings, she said.

Landeros? mother, brother and partner, through their attorney, Lauren Regan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center, have said they?ll hire experts to conduct an independent review of the shooting, voicing concerns about law enforcement?s handling of investigations involving fatal shootings of people of color.

The law firm representing the family reaffirmed that commitment in a statement released Thursday night.

The statement said Landeros appeared to be trying to get the daughter?s attention while moving toward the doors to exit in compliance with the officers? order.

?We know that issues involving a person?s child are already tense and delicate situations with the potential to escalate. We also know that people of color are disproportionately the victims of police violence. We know that Charlie, as an activist against police brutality and a descendant of Mexican and Filipino parents, was aware of this,? the statement said. ?We do not know, however, what was going through Charlie?s mind when they were shoved out of the door in front of their child and pinned to the wall. We also do not know why Officer Timm felt the need to aggressively shove Charlie through the door and against the wall as Charlie appears to exit the school.?

Landeros? ex-wife said she appreciated the community?s support for her and her daughters, but she declined further comment.

Landeros, who identified by the non-gender-specific pronouns they/their/them, was divorced and shared joint custody of their two daughters with Landeros? ex-wife. Landeros enrolled one of the daughters in the school several days before the incident without informing the ex-wife, Perlow said. Landeros? ex-wife learned of this and brought custody paperwork to the school. The school called Timm, the school resource officer, following the district?s practice of calling in law enforcement to mediate custody disputes. The school also called Landeros. Johns, another school resource officer, responded when Timm called for assistance.

Perlow said Timm met with Landeros? ex-wife and reviewed the paperwork. Separately, Timm then advised Landeros that the paperwork indicated she ?had shared custody and exclusive control over where (the child) attends school,? Perlow said.

The couple?s final divorce decree obtained by The Register-Guard awards joint custody of the two daughters to both parents but says that the mother?s home should be the children?s primary residence and she ?shall have final decision-making authority for decisions involving medical care, education and the religion of the children.?

?The conversation was respectful between Officer Timm and Charles Landeros, though Officer Timm reported concern that there would be a problem if Landeros was present if the mother exercised her right to remove the child from the school,? Perlow said.

Landeros left the office but remained in the hallway to protest the officer?s order when Landeros? daughter, who had started class the day before, came into the hallway ?by coincidence,? Perlow said.

Both Johns, 45, and Timm, 50, are veteran police officers; Johns has been on the force since 2001, and Timm since 2004.

The gun that Landeros drew during the struggle was a 9mm handgun purchased in December by the wife of Landeros? brother, from the brother?s business, Community Armaments and Supplies, Perlow said.

Landeros obtained a concealed handgun license in February 2018. Although Bethel School District policy forbids bringing a gun onto school grounds, it is not illegal for someone with a concealed handgun license to carry a concealed weapon into a school.

Landeros started a group, Community Armed Self-Defense, that provided firearms training, particularly for people of color and the LGBTQ community. Landeros was one of the instructors.

Investigators found two empty 9 mm casings fired from Landeros? gun at the scene, Perlow said. Investigators were unable to find the bullets.

They also found two empty .45-caliber casings from the gun Timm fired. Timm fired one bullet that missed Landeros before firing the fatal shot, Perlow said.

Last year, the FBI received information on a tip line that Landeros was posting violent anti-government messages on social media, Perlow said. The tip was referred to the local FBI office, which concluded there wasn?t enough information to show a crime had been committed, she said.

On Jan. 11, the Springfield Police Department linked on its Facebook page a story about a police officer in California who was shot and killed while investigating a traffic crash.

About an hour before the shooting, Perlow said, someone tipped the police department that a Facebook account with the name ?Charlie Landeros? had commented ?Death to all pigs? in a comment section of the post. The police department?s social media manager attempted to locate the comment but both it and the ?Charlie Landeros? Facebook account had been deactivated or deleted.

Two days earlier, SPD was alerted that a Facebook account with the name ?Charlie Landeros? left a similar comment on a different story involving Portland police, Perlow said.

Landeros moved to Eugene in 1989. Landeros attended Cascade High School and graduated from Willamette High School in 2006. Landeros served six years in the Army as a helicopter mechanic and crew chief, deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Landeros? ex-wife and a close friend.

Landeros received an honorable discharge and left the military in 2012, according to family and public records. Landeros used the GI Bill to enroll in the University of Oregon two years later, majoring in public policy and management.

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?My love for Charlie is forever,? said Landeros? brother Joseph in the family?s statement. ?I just want them back. This never should have happened.?

https://www.registerguard.com/news/...-cascade-middle-school-was-justified-da-rules

This happened where I live. SMH to all the people crying police brutality and playing the race card, even with the video released. 8( I'm not left or right but the radical left is truly delusional. Feel bad for his kids tho.
 
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Sure sounds justified to me.

What pisses me off in cases of police shootings is that there are so many people who just outright refuse to even consider that a shooting might be justified. Sometimes they aren't, but sometimes they totally are. And these kinds of asshats try to ruin the lives of completely innocent people as part of their wider, otherwise legitimate vendetta against police brutality.

People just can't help but being extreme. All shootings are justified or all are not. With no middle ground or interest in the truth.

Not to mention such people often don't know the first thing about the realities of armed self defense.
 
I've seen it before, but never to the extent that these sjw lunatics stand by their narrative even when there's VIDEO of the incident. The disconnect from reality with these people is astounding.
 
Fatal police shooting in front of Cascade Middle School was justified, DA rules

By Christian Hill
Posted Jan 24, 2019 at 2:27 PM
Updated Jan 25, 2019 at 10:09 AM

Lane County District Attorney Patty Perlow cleared Thursday the two Eugene police officers involved in the Jan. 11 fatal shooting of Charles Landeros in front of Cascade Middle School, saying there?s ?no clearer circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this.?

Officer Steve Timm shot Landeros, 30, once in the head after Landeros moments earlier pulled out a handgun and fired twice in Timm?s direction. Landeros was struggling on the ground with a second officer, Aaron Johns, when Timm, who had not been injured, fired the fatal shot, according to a news release from Perlow and accompanying body cam video footage released by her office.

The struggle occurred as officers were arresting Landeros for failing to comply with their orders to leave the school. The officers were called to the school around 10:30 a.m. to mediate a custody dispute involving Landeros? daughter, who happened upon the scene moments before the shooting.

Perlow concluded that both officers acted appropriately in removing Landeros from the school and they had probable cause to arrest Landeros for disorderly conduct and trespass.

?Upon making the arrest, their lives, and the lives of others, were placed in danger by Mr. Landeros physically resisting that arrest, brandishing a firearm and firing it twice,? Perlow said. ?It is unknown why Charles Landeros chose to use deadly force in this circumstance, but he clearly had no regard for the lives of the police officers or the students or staff present, including his child.?

She added: ?Officer Timm saved the life of Officer Johns, himself and perhaps many others given the number of rounds Charles Landeros had loaded in his weapon. There is no clearer circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this.?

The magazine in the gun Landeros drew was equipped with a device that expanded its capacity to 20 rounds from 18, which doesn?t include the gun?s chambered round. Landeros had a second magazine on a gun belt and was wearing a backpack that contained additional ammunition of a different caliber, Perlow said.

Video footage from the body cameras of the two officers show Landeros protesting the officers? order and then appearing to react to the daughter?s appearance, shouting, ?Go, go,? and moving as Johns pushes Landeros out the school?s front doors and against a wall outside. The footage also shows the ensuing struggle and Landeros drawing a weapon and pointing it at Timm prior to the fatal shooting. The entire physical altercation spanned about 23 seconds.

Two eyewitnesses confirmed Landeros drew a weapon and fired first, Perlow said. Landeros? daughter also witnessed the struggle and the shootings, she said.

Landeros? mother, brother and partner, through their attorney, Lauren Regan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center, have said they?ll hire experts to conduct an independent review of the shooting, voicing concerns about law enforcement?s handling of investigations involving fatal shootings of people of color.

The law firm representing the family reaffirmed that commitment in a statement released Thursday night.

The statement said Landeros appeared to be trying to get the daughter?s attention while moving toward the doors to exit in compliance with the officers? order.

?We know that issues involving a person?s child are already tense and delicate situations with the potential to escalate. We also know that people of color are disproportionately the victims of police violence. We know that Charlie, as an activist against police brutality and a descendant of Mexican and Filipino parents, was aware of this,? the statement said. ?We do not know, however, what was going through Charlie?s mind when they were shoved out of the door in front of their child and pinned to the wall. We also do not know why Officer Timm felt the need to aggressively shove Charlie through the door and against the wall as Charlie appears to exit the school.?

Landeros? ex-wife said she appreciated the community?s support for her and her daughters, but she declined further comment.

Landeros, who identified by the non-gender-specific pronouns they/their/them, was divorced and shared joint custody of their two daughters with Landeros? ex-wife. Landeros enrolled one of the daughters in the school several days before the incident without informing the ex-wife, Perlow said. Landeros? ex-wife learned of this and brought custody paperwork to the school. The school called Timm, the school resource officer, following the district?s practice of calling in law enforcement to mediate custody disputes. The school also called Landeros. Johns, another school resource officer, responded when Timm called for assistance.

Perlow said Timm met with Landeros? ex-wife and reviewed the paperwork. Separately, Timm then advised Landeros that the paperwork indicated she ?had shared custody and exclusive control over where (the child) attends school,? Perlow said.

The couple?s final divorce decree obtained by The Register-Guard awards joint custody of the two daughters to both parents but says that the mother?s home should be the children?s primary residence and she ?shall have final decision-making authority for decisions involving medical care, education and the religion of the children.?

?The conversation was respectful between Officer Timm and Charles Landeros, though Officer Timm reported concern that there would be a problem if Landeros was present if the mother exercised her right to remove the child from the school,? Perlow said.

Landeros left the office but remained in the hallway to protest the officer?s order when Landeros? daughter, who had started class the day before, came into the hallway ?by coincidence,? Perlow said.

Both Johns, 45, and Timm, 50, are veteran police officers; Johns has been on the force since 2001, and Timm since 2004.

The gun that Landeros drew during the struggle was a 9mm handgun purchased in December by the wife of Landeros? brother, from the brother?s business, Community Armaments and Supplies, Perlow said.

Landeros obtained a concealed handgun license in February 2018. Although Bethel School District policy forbids bringing a gun onto school grounds, it is not illegal for someone with a concealed handgun license to carry a concealed weapon into a school.

Landeros started a group, Community Armed Self-Defense, that provided firearms training, particularly for people of color and the LGBTQ community. Landeros was one of the instructors.

Investigators found two empty 9 mm casings fired from Landeros? gun at the scene, Perlow said. Investigators were unable to find the bullets.

They also found two empty .45-caliber casings from the gun Timm fired. Timm fired one bullet that missed Landeros before firing the fatal shot, Perlow said.

Last year, the FBI received information on a tip line that Landeros was posting violent anti-government messages on social media, Perlow said. The tip was referred to the local FBI office, which concluded there wasn?t enough information to show a crime had been committed, she said.

On Jan. 11, the Springfield Police Department linked on its Facebook page a story about a police officer in California who was shot and killed while investigating a traffic crash.

About an hour before the shooting, Perlow said, someone tipped the police department that a Facebook account with the name ?Charlie Landeros? had commented ?Death to all pigs? in a comment section of the post. The police department?s social media manager attempted to locate the comment but both it and the ?Charlie Landeros? Facebook account had been deactivated or deleted.

Two days earlier, SPD was alerted that a Facebook account with the name ?Charlie Landeros? left a similar comment on a different story involving Portland police, Perlow said.

Landeros moved to Eugene in 1989. Landeros attended Cascade High School and graduated from Willamette High School in 2006. Landeros served six years in the Army as a helicopter mechanic and crew chief, deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Landeros? ex-wife and a close friend.

Landeros received an honorable discharge and left the military in 2012, according to family and public records. Landeros used the GI Bill to enroll in the University of Oregon two years later, majoring in public policy and management.

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?My love for Charlie is forever,? said Landeros? brother Joseph in the family?s statement. ?I just want them back. This never should have happened.?

https://www.registerguard.com/news/...-cascade-middle-school-was-justified-da-rules

This happened where I live. SMH to all the people crying police brutality and playing the race card, even with the video released. 8( I'm not left or right but the radical left is truly delusional. Feel bad for his kids tho.
Exactly. It is no big loss, and if anyone pulls out a gun or weapon near police they should expect to be shot. At least now his kids will not grow up with a violent extremist nutcase for an excuse of a parent that cared more about silly extreme leftist politics that always fail, than his own kids.
 
I think the police should open fire only in extreme cases, especially when it comes to students. Although all this is regulated by law and the police act in accordance with the law. Students should not contact the police at all but should think about their education. You can read an article on how to write a dissertation proposal by clicking here. I think it will be much more useful for you than shooting with the police.
 
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What pisses me off in cases of police shootings is that there are so many people who just outright refuse to even consider that a shooting might be justified.
summary executions are never justified under any circumstance. "executioner" is not the job of police, especially when the suspect is innocent, as every single one of them is, seeing as presumption of innocence is the foundation of any justice system
 
summary executions are never justified under any circumstance. "executioner" is not the job of police, especially when the suspect is innocent, as every single one of them is, seeing as presumption of innocence is the foundation of any justice system

"Protect" is one of the main directives of police. If shooting someone who is endangering others, I'd call that a justified circumstance. I'd prefer they pull a tazer and incapacitate the person, but if that isn't an option, I support the actions taken when the situation demands it.
 
At least now his kids will not grow up with a violent extremist nutcase for an excuse of a parent that cared more about silly extreme leftist politics that always fail, than his own kids

Yeah, way better that they grow up without a father than be exposed to political views you dislike. :rolleyes:

That said, its really hard to see what's happening in the actual video. I'm not too sure why the guy was carrying a gun and all that ammo to a school- really doesn't seem like a great way of extending your life tbh.
 
summary executions are never justified under any circumstance. "executioner" is not the job of police, especially when the suspect is innocent, as every single one of them is, seeing as presumption of innocence is the foundation of any justice system

The police have a right to defend themselves as does anybody else. It is legal and justified to use lethal force to protect your life or someone else's.

Summery executions are never justified, but using lethal force in self defense isn't an execution, to call it that is just rhetoric.
 
"Protect" is one of the main directives of police. If shooting someone who is endangering others, I'd call that a justified circumstance. I'd prefer they pull a tazer and incapacitate the person, but if that isn't an option, I support the actions taken when the situation demands it.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

The police have a right to defend themselves as does anybody else. It is legal and justified to use lethal force to protect your life or someone else's
nope, when you're acting as an agent of the state, you have to give up certain rights and act a certain way, and you always have to keep in mind that everything you do is interpreted as speaking or acting for the state; having worked for multiple government departments at state and federal level, its only the police that don't follow this and get free rein to rape and murder to their heart's content.

police should only have non-lethal means at their disposal, especially since executing people is in direct conflict with their job - to bring innocent people before the courts so it can be determined whether or not they broke the law.

civilians can defend themselves however they have to, but it is not and never will be acceptable ever, under any circumstance, for agents of the state to summarily execute innocent people
 
Well I simply don't agree. Being a cop is a dangerous job. I don't accept that they should be unarmed. We have a big problem with the cops in America, I don't dispute that at all. But simply taking their guns away is the wrong way to fix that. What we need is better training and hiring standards and internal procedures for misbehavior.

Not having a duty to protect someone doesn't mean you don't have the right to use lethal force if you elect to do so.

And I'm never gonna accept that if a guy charges at a cop with a knife, or shoots at them with a gun, that the cops don't have a right to shoot back.

They're not allowed to deliberately work to kill someone, I agree there. But they absolutely are and should be allowed to use lethal force until the threat stops being a threat. Either by being dead or too incapacitated to further endanger people.

So yeah, I don't agree, and I don't think I'm gonna. We may have to agree to disagree here.

For what it's worth, I think our cops are some of the most irresposible and criminally neglegent in the western world. And badly in need of significant reforms.

I just don't think disarming them or saying they can't use deadly force to protect their lives is an acceptable solution either.
 
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Also if a guy is shooting a gun outside a middle school, he's become a threat to a bunch of kids, too. Honestly sometimes police kill people and it's justified. What about if a cop takes out a mass shooter before they kill anyone? Do they have that right? Is a cop supposed to let someone kill him rather than defend himself? I agree there are a lot of corrupt cops and there is a pretty corrupt culture too regarding minorities, but it does not mean that all cops are evil and that everything they all do is wrong and corrupt. That's an extremist view. The world isn't so black and white. We need police because otherwise people would do all kinds of crazy shit all the time and the only justice would be vigilante justice. Imagine a world in which any old person could enact their own personal form of justice. A lot more people would get killed and hurt in the name of justice. Many cops are good people who hope to never have to use their gun, who are trying to protect and serve their community. I know some of them. Any time you say "all ____ are like _____" you're being a bigot. Yes, there are a lot of problems with police, and a lot of individuals who are police are fucked up sociopaths who wanted to dominate other people and saw an opportunity as a police officer to do so. But taking the view that cops are all evil racist murderous bastards is wrong.


if a gun charges at a cop with a knife

Don't worry, guns haven't carried knives since the days of the bayonet. =D
 
Guys popping rounds off in a school zone, don't think I'd call that an execution.... shame it had to come to shooting, but he fired first, he chose it.
 
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone


nope, when you're acting as an agent of the state, you have to give up certain rights and act a certain way, and you always have to keep in mind that everything you do is interpreted as speaking or acting for the state; having worked for multiple government departments at state and federal level, its only the police that don't follow this and get free rein to rape and murder to their heart's content.

police should only have non-lethal means at their disposal, especially since executing people is in direct conflict with their job - to bring innocent people before the courts so it can be determined whether or not they broke the law.

civilians can defend themselves however they have to, but it is not and never will be acceptable ever, under any circumstance, for agents of the state to summarily execute innocent people

So a cop isn't supposed to defend themselves from being shot or what? Defending yourself isn't an "execution". lol

Some woo-woo shit this is.
 
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