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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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^ my left foot zephyr. the people can be blamed for a lot of things. this a**clown decided to throw his hat in the ring. ripe for the pickings and making the choice to do the picking are two different things. though i would agree with said statement if hillary was POTUS.

trump did it cause he wanted to and cause of all his negative traits being encouraged by his power hungry arrogance.

wait until he is out of office and see what he says. you'll see the weight of these words then.
 
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TheLoveBandit said:
My 'face value' interpretation of the census was that everyone gets counted. Would I be correct in assuming you intend to follow the gerrymander's trail on how to hide people so their vote is essentially suppressed?
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I'll explain things like people who earn minimum wage don't count people in housing projects. Or that people on vacation won't get counted (like snow birds). Many things...:D

OT: Ivanka is apparently qualified to be employed as a White House Aide (salary or no), with her experience as a fashion designer and part owner of the Trump hotel in DC, and she still can't figure out the email thing she was criticized for earlier in this fiasco.

Let's investigate. It's vital to Crooked Ivanka. :p
 
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Crooked Ivanka.

Lock her up!
Lock her up!
Lock her up!

Depending on what information she knew or knows that could actually happen. Honestly, that would be too funny. I can guarantee that if Trump and Jared did something illegal, Ivanka knew about it. The bad news for Trump and his criminal family is that what's done in the dark will eventually come towards the light. God is good!

Team Mueller!
 
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alasdairm said:
no worries. what do you think?

alasdair
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Sorry, missed these earlier, but am happy to respond. I think Trump has two skills he uses frequently. First, the ability distract and keep focus off what he's really trying to do. He can play up subjects for attention, even heated arguments, as a means to keep people from focusing on the quieter, closed door actions he's attempting. Secondly, and the two are symbiotic, his mouth (and twitter) moves quickly and loudly without brain engagement to slow it down or rationalize wtf is being spewed forth. The real takeaway here is that if Trump is tweeting or speaking on something, I have little faith it is relevant to what's happening or that his words carry meaning beyond distraction.

This goes back to the time before he chose to run for office. He'd achieved tremendous success in the business world as an asshole. Either he is the luckiest asshole around, or he uses his asshole skills to deploy shrewd decisions. Early on, I kept telling myself he was that distracting genius, mostly because I couldn't believe an idiot could be so lucky. Two years into his first term, I'm still not sure of what he is, only that I know not to listen to the noise.



alasdairm said:
trump decided not to honor american soldiers in france.

trump decided not to honor american soldiers at arlington (which, uncharacteristically, he admitted was a mistake).

trump claims he did visit arlington on veterans day last year. he did not.

remind me who's disrespecting the military?
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I'm looking at an idiot at work (Trump, not ali) and fumbling his way through social decisions. Nothing has really changed, IMO - still a distraction wielding asshole. However, I suspect he is starting to recognize (at least at the tiniest level, perhaps at the behest of his cadre of advisors) that there are certain things a President should do. That's the only way I can see him conceding that he'd made a mistake. It doesn't mean he'll do better. I think he's incapable, honestly.

alasdairm said:
the caravan is still moving but the deployed troops are withdrawing.

was that anything more than a massively wasteful- $200 million - political stunt?
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Two parts to this one. First, he made noise about it during the election, to save face he has to at least make an effort towards his promises. This shows him trying to effect a wall (fulfill promise) while not turning dictator and running over Congress (though, surprisingly also NOT using it as a moment to decry the lack of support for the wall). It's an opportunity/situation he cannot ignore and his hand is somewhat forced to 'do something' based on what he promised. Secondly, distraction. He's not made a lot of tweets and speeches about it, the media has done that for him. But I'm watching to see what else comes out that wasn't in the spotlight - what's he working on now that is still on the down low?
 
i appreciate your trying to offer a balanced perspective but i feel you make a lot of excuses for him.

to me, what we're seeing is the obvious result of electing somebody who was poorly qualified for the job. on top of that, we're seeing the results of electing somebody who promised pretty much anything to anybody - and lied freely and frequently just to get a vote - stumble because things are a whole lot different than they expected due to their lack of experience and arrogance.

but hey! he's a real straight-shooter so at least you know where he stands on issues. except many issues :\

alasdair
 
Trump is too afraid to visit the front lines.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...my-war-troops-combat-zone-visit-a8643786.html

What a failure as a human being. Too rich to care about poor people. Too poor to actually be rich like a real billionaire and not a failed businessman. Pretend patriot won't even go visit the people he's sending off to death. I'd dress up in a cheerleader's outfit and cheer them on 24/7 on methamphetamine until all the Houthis and ISIS are gone. Fucking joke of a human being.

An unnamed official told the Washington Post: “He’s never been interested in going. He’s afraid of those situations. He’s afraid people want to kill him.”
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DrewDogBaby209 said:
Crooked Ivanka.

Lock her up!
Lock her up!
Lock her up!

Depending on what information she knew or knows that could actually happen. Honestly, that would be too funny. I can guarantee that if Trump and Jared did something illegal, Ivanka knew about it. The bad news for Trump and his criminal family is that what's done in the dark will eventually come towards the light. God is good!

Team Mueller!
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Fuck yes; lock her up! Team Trump trashed Hillary for the email fiasco and then Ivanka uses her private email account... 8( and Don Jr. released his emails and daddy went :! lmao

I heard they thought the White House was a real shit hole... just wait!

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Time's People of the Year, circa 2020

TheLoveBandit said:
However, I suspect he is starting to recognize (at least at the tiniest level, perhaps at the behest of his cadre of advisors) that there are certain things a President should do.
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Yeah, like not paying your taxes for 20 years and then bragging about it on national television. Or grabbing a bunch of women by the vagina and sleeping with some of them and then paying them to be quiet about it (gotta love how the other woman got more hush $ than Stormy Daniels).

Or playing a bunch of golf and taking trips to Mar-a-Lago instead of visiting the front lines. You know, the things a president's supposed to be doing. Living the W. lifestyle.
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
Trump is too afraid to visit the front lines.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...my-war-troops-combat-zone-visit-a8643786.html

What a failure as a human being. Too rich to care about poor people. Too poor to actually be rich like a real billionaire and not a failed businessman. Pretend patriot won't even go visit the people he's sending off to death. I'd dress up in a cheerleader's outfit and cheer them on 24/7 on methamphetamine until all the Houthis and ISIS are gone. Fucking joke of a human being.
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remind me again who is disrespecting the military?

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alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
i appreciate your trying to offer a balanced perspective but i feel you make a lot of excuses for him.
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Yeah, I know I sound that way. I have a different view of what I'm saying, but I know it comes off that way, especially in a forum full of folks that span the spectrum of 'incompetent for the job' to 'hate him beyond any other being ever'. I try to look at things fairly, and at times admit naivete, but I'm just not willing to judge others until there is no longer room for alternate possibilities. As such, I'm always looking for the fairness of what might be...most don't have the patience for that, and rather make their decision and stick to it. I'm ok with people choosing to judge, it just doesn't fit my approach to the world.

EDIT - I get that there are a lot of things that tilt the scales against him, that portray him as 'incompetent' or 'corrupt'. I also look at others in similar situations and how they have been judged or not, and have difficulty getting outraged at someone doing what others have done. Doesn't mean either are right, but in my mind they need to be treated the same.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I'm ok with people choosing to judge
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I don't think we're judging. We're just being honest. Trump is a failure as a patriot and a human being, and a politician in general. There's no gray area in this one.

Give us another Republican. Someone who cares about the military and isn't afraid to go jump on a stage and tell a few jokes like Bob Hope did. Give me someone who cares about lowering the deficit. Give me someone who isn't a racist and a misogynist.

The Republican Party can do better. Way better.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
Can they, though?

The GOP seems like the one area where Trump has actually succeeded in consolidating power. The "Trump skeptics" within the GOP seem like a spent political force at this point
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They can do better. A party whip isn’t supposed to be the president. They need a leader who can get a re-election, balance the budget and not ruin the economy in the process.
 
Shadowmeister said:
I firmly believe that there are many, many Republican politicians who would be better qualified than Trump for the presidency.
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This.

I’m not a Democrat. I just want to see the budget balanced and see qualified people making the calls. Not a Weinstein pussy grabbing monster from a bog in New Jersey with fake hair and a fake tan.
 
Shadowmeister said:
I firmly believe that there are many, many Republican politicians who would be better qualified than Trump for the presidency.
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A randomly selected name in a phonebook would be preferable to Trump lol. But who is going to challenge Trump's current hegemony within the GOP? The people who used to denounce him but who now kiss his proverbial ass for political gain, like Cruz or Graham? Or the politically-marginalized skeptics like Kasich or Sanford? I don't see many obvious candidates.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Yeah, I know I sound that way. I have a different view of what I'm saying, but I know it comes off that way, especially in a forum full of folks that span the spectrum of 'incompetent for the job' to 'hate him beyond any other being ever'. I try to look at things fairly, and at times admit naivete, but I'm just not willing to judge others until there is no longer room for alternate possibilities. As such, I'm always looking for the fairness of what might be...most don't have the patience for that, and rather make their decision and stick to it. I'm ok with people choosing to judge, it just doesn't fit my approach to the world.

EDIT - I get that there are a lot of things that tilt the scales against him, that portray him as 'incompetent' or 'corrupt'. I also look at others in similar situations and how they have been judged or not, and have difficulty getting outraged at someone doing what others have done. Doesn't mean either are right, but in my mind they need to be treated the same.
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i have no problem with not liking someone and admitting they are right for such and such job. i know it's hard for a lot of people in general to do this and i find myself at ends with others when this happens; i also find myself doing the same thing from time to time in life. the ideal person for a particular seat to fill is not always readily available and sometimes isn't even the best person for the job (though that's more of a temp situation imo).

i usually don't let the character flaws get in the way of what is important and take someone based off their skill factors. a balance of sort. i cannot find that balance with trump no matter how hard i try.

what you say is a good reminder for myself (if not for most) to be objective, fair and reasonable so i don't let myself get the better of myself. don't let me hold me back. hate is a powerful thing, that's why i posted that non sense a few days ago about hating someone and being angry at their actions. one is detrimental in all ways, one is recognizing someone makes poor choices and moving on or getting to the point.

either way what you speak of is truth and you bring up relevant points. weighing the issues, facts and MO of the position is generally what talking about politics is about if i'm not mistaken.

i get where your coming from, you've made your views clear on a few things concerning trump. in my own backwards way i'm saying thanks and what your doing is reasonable and healthy. it's also ideal.

i still stand by what i said, i cannot accept the bad in him and find the good qualities for his position. both are simply left wanting. keeping an open mind even when faced with no possibilities is a task but well worth it.
 
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