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It's typical of the trump administration Hillary to attack a woman who made an allegation against one of their own Bill Clinton, in this way.

This playbook has been in use by Democrats for a long time. Not saying Trump doesn't do it. Not saying that more people doing it makes it right. But can you point to where else the Trump administration has done this? I ask, because we can bring up a half dozen of these poorly executed hit jobs by the liberals in short order, or more easily the many liberals who have been accused AND CONFRONTED WITH EVIDENCE who got nothing done to them. The hypocrisy from the left is what kills me. Hypocrisy always kills me. And, I recommend you not start your list with Ms. Stormy Daniels, unless you feel a stripper, who was paid to stfu about an affair and didn't, and who has continued to seek monetary gains is really the kind of lead off character example you feel sets your stage best.

The thing is, it is already a very serious offence to knowingly make false police reports (for political or other purpose).

but you'd think the GOP would be more inclined to allow the FBI investigation to play out unhindered, if they considered this anything less than a credible allegation.

I hope you do understand that this is not something that warrants an FBI investigation (I don't recall who asked for it, but I'd love to find out, because I'm betting they most certainly would know it is not an FBI thing).

Why do I make that statement?
Because the FBI has already done background checks on him multiple times and found nothing.
Because for ANYONE to do an investigation there needs to be something to investigate - 38ys after the fact with only a he-said-she-said, there is nothing that can be investigated.
Because American legal jurisdictions point the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigations to FEDERAL crimes. This is something that, if it were reported (38y ago or yesterday) with ANYTHING that could be investigated, it would be a local law enforcement (city police most likely, unless outside of city limits which then invokes the county sheriff or state patrol, not the FEDERAL investigators).

By the way, I don't think the left was prepared for the GOP to call their bluff and ask for whatever could be presented. If they actually intended to present anything, they would have been pulling it together already, not stalling for more time.

It's disturbing, as ever - to see the way victims of sexual assault are treated.

It's not ok to brush off sexual assault allegations, especially for political reasons

Completely agree that victims of sexual assault can be treated unfairly, and history reflects this unfortunately. And while there is a growing push back against false rape claims (the number grow as more evidence can be produced to show the accused is innocent, so it's getting fairer to them)...the fact remains it is a very small minority and those who are accused are most often guilty. But we also hold that someone accused has the right to know what they are accused of and to defend themselves. That's not how the democrats have rolled this out. They sat on it for months before bringing it out, only doing so as it can impact the timing of the vote. Purely a political move, because if they believed the accusation and saw a character flaw they could have presented it and had this addressed awhile ago. Before someone says 'she was afraid to come forward'...bullshit. She gave the letter to her elected official months ago. If she is afraid to testify, then why come out at all with the letter? The timing alone makes this a political move by the Democrats, consider that before anyone points to Republicans for making this a political power play. And it's a weak one at that, because all they brought is an accusation, a reluctant victim, no proof, no other witnesses...nothing but an accusation about drunk teens nearly 4 decades ago. (I'm not even getting into the discussion about what people do in their teens, as I expect we all have stories from that time in our lives).

As bad as victims can be treated, we still presume someone innocent until proven guilty. Ford and the Democrats have provided NOTHING that proves guilt. Nothing. And they are being given the chance....so while we wait, even Feinstein admits she doesn't know if the allegations are true.

I'm all for truth. I'm all for ensuring someone of poor character is not put in a position where we are counting on their character. So, Ford has had 38y to decide to bring this out, and to have evidence or witnesses or anything to prove this happened. Where is it? Let's make sure Kavenaugh is not some sleezy guy put in a power position, or let's make sure he is a high quality guy that we should have in such a position. That's what the whole review is about, isn't it?

We can discuss if teens getting drunk and out of hand is acceptable or not. We'll all have our opinions on where the line gets drawn for that. But teen behaviour is not the topic here.

We can discuss if waiting 38y to come forward is reasonable. We can point to statutes of limitations, to the inherent fear that inhibits victims to come forward, and how it loses credibility and evidence the longer it takes. But time is not the topic here.

The topic here is a man being reviewed for an important position has been accused, with nothing more than the poor memory of an alleged victim. And we need to keep alleged there until proof is provided. Proof/Witnesses can shut this down pretty damn quick against him. There is no way this gets shut down for him pretty damn quick, because everyone wants to give the alleged victim her moment of justice, and see the truth prevail....however long it may take. And I'd be very interested in seeing if the discussion extends to 'do you reject him for the position based solely on her unsubstantiated accusation?' Because if we do, we just opened a very slippery slope for the future in many areas.
 
It is pathetic and shameful that some people instinctively disbelieve such allegations.

Obviously innocent until guilty but this default doubting says something truly awful about advocates of this view.

^ this.

When accusations of sexual assauly are demeaned to the point that people start demanding "proof", it's a sign that something is wrong.
Sexual abuse is not investigated in the same way as lots of other crimes, because it usually happens in private.

I'm not going to pretend to know all the details of this case, but from what i've seen, there is nothing that could possibly justify the suggestion that it is a false accusation. To accuse her of such - or simply imply it - is pretty sick, and indicative of the toxicity of the current political climate.

It's further evidence to me that these people should not be appointing supreme court justices - they are morally compromised, yet hope to enforce their religious morality on the nation.
 
Also, the requirement of the law to exercise a presumption of innocence in no way requires the public to do so in casual discourse. Let alone assume it beyond reasonable doubt.

The standard of evidence should reflect the consequences. The consequence of going to jail is very high so the standard must be high. The consequence of people thinking you're a rapist is lower so the standard show be lower. And the consequence of not getting an extremely important job isn't that high either so neither should the evidence be.

For example, I would say that a plausible accusation of sexual assault should probably be sufficient cause to deny you a job working with children.

This idea that there is only one standard is outright false, and the idea that everyone and everything must be bound to it simply silly.

It's like people have taken the standard of evidence beyond reasonable doubt from the legal system and applied it to everything. In spite of the fact that even the actual legal system doesn't apply that standard for everything. If someone takes you to small claims court you're not gonna be assumed innocent beyond reasonable doubt. You're gonna get a preponderance of the evidence standard. Which means if the judge determines your guilt as any higher than 50%, in other words just more likely than not, that's satisfactory evidence of your wrong doing and you will lose.

Low consequences, low standard.
 
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I'm not going to pretend to know all the details of this case, but from what i've seen, there is nothing that could possibly justify the suggestion that it is a false accusation. To accuse her of such - or simply imply it - is pretty sick, and indicative of the toxicity of the current political climate.

She allegedly waited 36 years, and then came out just before a SC vote, and the Dems kept the files under wraps until the 11th hour.

You're an anti-Trump obstructionist that is pretending like you give a fuck about rape victims.
 
You're an anti-Trump obstructionist that is pretending like you give a fuck about rape victims.

I'm not reading it that way.

I hope the senate have their vote. He'll get through, I'm sure. I don't really give a fuck, it just seems shady as hell to me they can't find someone who didn't live their life like Matt Lauer to get into the supreme court.
 
I'm not reading it that way.

I hope the senate have their vote. He'll get through, I'm sure. I don't really give a fuck, it just seems shady as hell to me they can't find someone who didn't live their life like Matt Lauer to get into the supreme court.

Captain.Heroin if Kavanaugh is reading this he should sue you for libel, first for the thread title and second for accusing him of "living his life like Matt Lauer" with the only evidence being some ladies vague claims solely intended to move the vote on Kavanaugh past the midterms (they failed, the claims are completely falling apart. Ford is saying she will only testify under show trial conditions where Kavanaugh speaks, leaves, her and her lawyers cook something up, and then she testifies. Which will obviously not happen, the GOP will not grant their little Maoist show trial.)

And I'm assuming you are a man. Every man in America could be attacked in exactly the way Kavanaugh is being attacked, because any person you may or may not have known in high school can claim you did some shit decades later. And most of us don't have the ability to defend ourselves like Kavanaugh does, and would never be able to get a job again.

If you hate due process, I hear they still use mob justice in some third world locations. Maybe those places would suit you better, the "point, start rumours, and they are fucked" culture seems something you would prefer to a place where we are tenuously holding onto our freedom.
 
It would be really telling for Kavanaugh to be reading BLUELIGHT.

Kind of like when Ted Cruz liked the incest porn post on Twitter.

Kavanaugh is a sitting judge (you would know this if you are well-read). No one is out to take his current job. We're out to prevent him from getting onto the Supreme Court. Please read the papers and keep up with the headlines.

No one has called for him to be canned from his current position (though I would shed no tears if this were to happen, it would probably be excessive).

sue you for libel

You can't sue for libel if what I'm saying is the truth. I take it you didn't go to school for law.
 
TLB said:
We can discuss if waiting 38y to come forward is reasonable. We can point to statutes of limitations, to the inherent fear that inhibits victims to come forward, and how it loses credibility and evidence the longer it takes. But time is not the topic here.

I don't think that this lady ever had any I intention on taking any action against Kavanaugh at all and the appearance of this 17 to boy who drunkenly groped and scared the shit out of her as a middle aged pre Supreme Court Justice would have put her in a bad place mentally.

She should have been able to be anonymous, theres a chance he wouldn't even remember this due to alcohol and time, so maybe both are actually telling the truth as they see it.

If he does remember, an apology to her would be the thing that heals.

This public airing was bound to turn nasty.
 
Brett Kavanaugh’s Yale Frat Raided Female Students’ Rooms, Paraded Bras and Underwear on Campus

https://people.com/politics/brett-kavanaugh-yale-frat-women-bras-underwear/

In his first year at Yale, embattled Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh joined the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity, which had a culture “notorious for disrespecting women,” according to a new report from the Yale Daily News.

Julie Klein, who graduated in 1987 alongside Kavanaugh, described the frat as an “animal house,” while another classmate of Kavanaugh’s, Jennifer Lew, recalled on the YaleWomen Facebook page how frat brothers would “ransack” female students’ rooms while they attended classes and steal “undergarments,” reports the Yale Daily News.

On Thursday, the student newspaper published a January, 1985 photo of Kavanaugh’s DKE frat brothers holding a flag created with women’s underwear and bras as they marched across campus. Kavanaugh, reportedly a sophomore member of the frat at the time, does not appear in the image.

Christine Blasey Ford has accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her at a party when they were both in high school. He has denied the allegations, and a wide range of defenders have claimed there is nothing in his character indicating he would have assaulted the then-15-year-old Ford in the early 1980s.

Kavanaugh’s supporters include female Yale classmates who wrote in an Aug. 30 letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee that Kavanaugh respected women and backed female athletes at the school, reports the Yale Daily News.

But days after the DKE underwear-flag march, then-Yale student Rachel Eisler described the frat’s antics as an effort to “demean women” in a letter to the Yale Daily News editor.

Eisler, a 1986 Yale grad, wrote at the time that she asked one of the guys carrying the “flag” pole if any men’s underwear were included in the mix.

Eisler says he told her that he didn’t think any “guy’s stuff” would be part of the flag but that perhaps “your panties might be here!” the letter said, according to the Yale Daily News.

A member of the frat who was part of the group carrying the undergarment flag recalls that panties and bras were “obtained consensually” from women, reports the News now.

“I am almost certain that is where any women’s undergarments would have come from … women people knew donating them willingly to play along,” Steve Gallo, class of 1988, told the outlet.

Kavanaugh was also a member of an all-male Yale “secret society” for seniors called Truth and Courage, which was referred to by some students as “Tit and Clit” reports the Yale Daily News.

DKE’s alleged demeaning attitude towards women continued after Kavanaugh’s 1987 graduation, with the university banning the group from campus for five years in 2011 after frat recruits were seen on video in front of the school’s women’s center chanting, “No means yes, yes means anal,” according to the News.

The frat is now being investigated by the school following stories in the Yale Daily News and Business Insider concerning sexual assault allegations against members of DKE.
 
Guys I don't know where you get off on representing such a fucking creep. All the Kavanaugh fanboys are like fucking Giuliani representing Trump, scumbags loving scumbags for how evil and awful they are as individuals. Disgusting.

At least Gorsuch wasn't another Weinstein, anyone wonder why we can't find another NORMAL guy?

I mean if this is the best the Republicans can come up with, it makes you all look like fucking soulless monsters. At least Al Franken had the decency and professionalism to step down when that photo came out and that looked SO INNOCENT. I didn't give a shit about that, that's just funny goofing off stuff. Totally blown out of proportion.

At least George W. could choose a few good Supreme Court nominees, what happened to your party guys?
 
Ch said:
You can't sue for libel if what I'm saying is the truth. I take it you didn't go to school for law.

I wonder what Kavanaugh would say in a response to an invite to respond to this thread. It would be interesting to see if he would make an account and say something.

Lol. I got a brief polite response months later from some schmuck underling of Vladimir Putin, I dont even remember emailing their official contact address lol.
 
I wonder what Kavanaugh would say in a response to an invite to respond to this thread. It would be interesting to see if he would make an account and say something.

Lol. I got a brief polite response months later from some schmuck underling of Vladimir Putin, I dont even remember emailing their official contact address lol.

Guys, a non-druggie isn't going to sign up on a board to argue he didn't do what he knows what he did was wrong. He's just going to stick to the once-over official lie, which is easy enough for any sociopath to cough up on camera with the pretty facial gestures that match up with empathy and truth telling.

If you are shouting NO COLLUSION ten thousand times, there was obviously collusion. Kavanaugh is phenomenally smarter than Trump, even if they are both equally as twisted sexually and morally.
 
Guys I don't know where you get off on representing such a fucking creep. All the Kavanaugh fanboys are like fucking Giuliani representing Trump, scumbags loving scumbags for how evil and awful they are as individuals. Disgusting.

At least Gorsuch wasn't another Weinstein, anyone wonder why we can't find another NORMAL guy?

I mean if this is the best the Republicans can come up with, it makes you all look like fucking soulless monsters. At least Al Franken had the decency and professionalism to step down when that photo came out and that looked SO INNOCENT. I didn't give a shit about that, that's just funny goofing off stuff. Totally blown out of proportion.

At least George W. could choose a few good Supreme Court nominees, what happened to your party guys?

Nah actually post like yours make YOU look like a monster, because you want lynch mobs, no due process, mob justice in general, trial by media, etc.

In other words, you would like to see America a much more dictatorial place, where you are only free until someone points the finger and tells the commissar you did something (whether or not it's true.)
 
^ Your stance on free speech is basically where you live, if you want to throw anything you want to out there and make what you are saying public knowledge as far and wide as possible, you should be able to do that regardless of if it is provable and could have damaging consequences to other people?

Is that it?

Can you put up in public where it will be seen by as many people as possible anything about yourself in the same way?

Wat if this thread was not about a public figure who was not here to defend themselves. Wat if there were threads or posts here which are actually true yet unpleasant
issues and the subject was you? Would you be ok with that? If so, why were you not happy when this was going on?

This victim of an alleged sexual assault is being put out there as a rape victim and Kav a rapist, is this a real great example of why libel comes into play?
 
In other words, you would like to see America a much more dictatorial place, where you are only free until someone points the finger and tells the commissar you did something (whether or not it's true.)
CH would never advocate for authoritarianism if you know anything about his political beliefs. Kavanaugh on the other hand... He's vocally supported the steps leading towards dictatorship. Ironic...


Look, Trump had five people he chose from. The only two that were morally corrupt and against the Constitution were Kavanaugh and that creepy looking Catholic woman (something with a B? Can't recall her name). Three other picks would have been fine. But typical Trump, he picks the guy who will be his most vocal supporter the day he tries to overthrow the American government, should that day come.
 
treezy, do you believe that all citizens - even the president - should be bound by the law?

alasdair

Yes. But if that law is "throw anyone in the gulag who one of our millions of informants says something about" then I don't think ANYONE she be bound by the law.

And yes no one is getting thrown in the gulag but we see that the democrat party has adopted the "snitch culture" that is so vital to many abusive regimes.
 
Wild miscategorization of anything I’ve ever posted.

If it makes me a monster for believing in the 1st amendment so be it.

Yes it was hyperbole, but according to you Kavanaugh is an "attempted rapist" (thread title) which is slander because it has not been proven.

Shouldn't rape attempts result in prison?

Also I could very easily get some random woman to call YOU a rapist and start a thread titled "Captain.Heroin is a rapist" and the thread would be deleted, but it would have as much to stand on as your thread title.
 
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