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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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It seems to just be the trend. In twenty years everyone will swing back the other way I'd wager. Progress is always two steps forward, one step back.
 
True, the pendulum always swings. Hopefully this crop of would-be autocrats will wake us all up. It's my biggest realistic hope for something positive to come of Trump, for us.
 
Xorkoth said:
True, the pendulum always swings. Hopefully this crop of would-be autocrats will wake us all up. It's my biggest realistic hope for something positive to come of Trump, for us.
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Hope isn't going to get you anywhere. We drastically need election reform. If voting was compulsory I'm sure Hillary would have won. The Republicans suppress the vote of the poor/disadvantaged fairly well. This is something we can change. Unfortunately, the Democrats stand to gain a lot out of avoiding election reform, as they also see the Green Party as a threat to their voter base.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Hope isn't going to get you anywhere. We drastically need election reform. If voting was compulsory I'm sure Hillary would have won. The Republicans suppress the vote of the poor/disadvantaged fairly well. This is something we can change. Unfortunately, the Democrats stand to gain a lot out of avoiding election reform, as they also see the Green Party as a threat to their voter base.
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If voting were compulsory, that would mean all those stupid people who don't know anything about politics and don't even care would be forced to vote.

Here in Australia, there's a minor party called the liberal democrats. They won a significant victory in the senate despite almost nobody really knowing who they were and them being wildly considered extremists.

The reasons they won are various, but it can be stated with a pretty high decree of certainty that they got at least 3 or more times the number of direct votes you'd expect them to have gotten, simply because the voting public was too stupid to realize the liberal democrats are a different party to the liberal national coalition, which is undoubtedly who they meant to vote for.

Tens of thousands of votes to the wrong party because those morons were too lazy to even double check the name of the party they were voting for.

As I said, it's not the only reason they won. Instant run off voting is the main reason. But that's still the same underlying problem. Which is that the public are morons and don't know how their system works.

Every election, I ask people who they voted for prime Minister. Not once, NOT ONCE that I can recall in all the years I've lived in Australia can I recall getting an answer that referred to the house of representative vote. The one that decides prime Minister. EVERY time they say they voted for a third party that doesn't exist on the ballot that determines prime Minister. Australia uses paper voting, and most likely they've just assumed that the big sheet of paper is the one for prime Minister. But it's not.

The grass is always greener on the other side. Be careful what you wish for. Personally I think it's best that people who don't know and don't care be permitted to not vote.
 
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"It's like a summer camp...structured and unstructured activities"

Oh you mean the structured activities like learning about the MAGA/national socialism agenda? And unstructured activities like spontaneously attempting an escape on foot?

Yeah, totally. Just like summer camp. :|
 
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If voting were compulsory, that would mean all those stupid people who don't know anything about politics and don't even care would be forced to vote.
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I've wondered the same thing, I think one of those Greek philosophers considered democracy only slightly better than tyranny.

A response could be to magically simplify the entire political system, . . . or just allow people to choose whether to vote or not. The disinterested only vote because you get fined if you don't (which strikes me as somehow wrong- the right to not vote is part of the right to vote, surely . . .?

Here in Australia, there's a minor party called the liberal democrats. They won a significant victory in the senate despite almost nobody really knowing who they were and them being wildly considered extremists.

The reasons they won are various, but it can be stated with a pretty high decree of certainty that they got at least 3 or more times the number of direct votes you'd expect them to have gotten, simply because the voting public was too stupid to realize the liberal democrats are a different party to the liberal national coalition, which is undoubtedly who they meant to vote for.
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In the same way, the person who's name is listed first often gets a fair few votes simply because of that fact.
 
It's not the first time Trump has verbally been anti gun or NRA, just don't forget how quickly he also does a one eighty and reverses everything he says. You sound like you may be falling for his lip service honestly.
 
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It's not the first time Trump has verbally been anti gun or NRA, just don't forget how quickly he also does a one eighty and reverses everything he says. You sound like you may be falling for his lip service honestly.
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The blueprints themselves are information, not a gun. Thanks for the feedback.

I love when he said you need an ID to buy groceries. LMAO. Total billionaire with the silver spoon still in his mouth. He's never shopped at a grocery store. Ever. It's always been someone else's job to feed the big baby.
 
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/31/634396871/trump-administration-eyes-capital-gains-tax-cut

Terrible.

Of course, during that decade, inflation would have nibbled away at that profit, so the $400 is worth less than it was ten years earlier. The administration is considering a plan that takes that inflation into account, so investors would report a smaller capital gain — on average about a third less — and they'd be saddled with a smaller tax bill.

"It's not fair for the government to tax someone on a gain that really is just due to inflation," said Stephen Moore, an economist at the Heritage Foundation and a former adviser to the Trump campaign.
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What's not fair is the gov't devaluing the USD. Sick. Fucking morons.
 
swilow said:
I've wondered the same thing, I think one of those Greek philosophers considered democracy only slightly better than tyranny.

A response could be to magically simplify the entire political system, . . . or just allow people to choose whether to vote or not. The disinterested only vote because you get fined if you don't (which strikes me as somehow wrong- the right to not vote is part of the right to vote, surely . . .?



In the same way, the person who's name is listed first often gets a fair few votes simply because of that fact.
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Since I hadn't seen this post, and since we're straying off topic (might have to move the last few posts over to the gun thread). Yes I agree. I didn't mention it earlier, because I felt the arguments I actually presented were stronger, but yeah in principle I feel like forcing people to participate in voting is in itself somewhat against principles of freedom and democracy.

Interestingly, the party I mentioned, initially they weren't allowed to use the name liberal democrats, exactly out of concern for what eventually happened. People mistaking them for the liberal national coalition. But they argued successfully in court that the liberals don't rightfully "own" the term liberal as if it were their brand, and they had every right to use the name. And that the people should know better than to confuse the liberal democrats, who nobody had ever heard of. With the liberal national coalition which call themselves "the coalition" ALL the time. But apparently a lot of people really don't know better.

The other problem is that the order the parties appear on the ballot is random, and just by bad luck, they just happened to be placed in the top spot as well as having a similar name.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The blueprints themselves are information, not a gun. Thanks for the feedback.

I love when he said you need an ID to buy groceries. LMAO. Total billionaire with the silver spoon still in his mouth. He's never shopped at a grocery store. Ever. It's always been someone else's job to feed the big baby.
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Also funny how he always strategically places someone with a blacks for trump sign right front and center of the camera's view near the stage at every rally.
 
Yeah it's to perpetuate the myth that he has the black vote... in fact I've often heard Trump people claiming he got more of the black vote than Obama. 8)
 
So many of you guys, and not just you guys but people on social media, and I know the demographics, are so ignorant and brainwashed and delusional, just had your brains and minds poisoned by the Mainstream media and Military Industrial Complex...as Trump would say, SAD!!
 
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