The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread

[Captain.Heroin]

Woke up to CNN; GOP Jim Jordan under fire for allegedly knowing about OSU doctor molesting males. 13 sports impacted. Suspect currently dead, but somehow Jim Jordan knew and didn't care.

It's shocking that some people who we trust to look after children may be the worst abusers.

They position themselves where they're most apt to doing what they want. Kind of like why junkies live close to where the drugs are sold, etc. It's just a fact of life. There's probably more society can do to protect itself.

 

[JGrimez]

Woke up to CNN; GOP Jim Jordan under fire for allegedly knowing about OSU doctor molesting males. 13 sports impacted. Suspect currently dead, but somehow Jim Jordan knew and didn't care.

USA Gymnastics is also under fire for knowing about Larry Nassar and covering it up/ignoring it.

They position themselves where they're most apt to doing what they want. Kind of like why junkies live close to where the drugs are sold, etc. It's just a fact of life. There's probably more society can do to protect itself.

First step is everyone admitting that there's a serious problem.

 

[Xorkoth]

On that we can agree, there's definitely a serious problem with sexual abuse in the world. It really shocks me, it's so much more in the open now and it seems so much more common than I ever would have thought.

 

[alasdairm]

no surprise here: TRUMP MOCKS THE #METOO MOVEMENT DURING MONTANA RALLY

what a douche he is.

alasdair

 

[Xorkoth]

Well, he likes to "grab women by their pussies", so...

 

[spacejunk]

no surprise here: TRUMP MOCKS THE #METOO MOVEMENT DURING MONTANA RALLY

what a douche he is.

alasdair

i hope #metoo puts trump away.
there are countless rapists who should be behind bars, and have little doubt trump is one of them.

i think it's a matter of time for him - regardless of which crime they end up nailing him for, it will probably be convenient for the political classes of the USA to pretend that his trainwreck presidency was just a freak accident - and he will be the fall guy.

and how hard he will fall - at which point, the republicans can go back to faux christian posturing, and pretend that this all-out assault on democracy never happened, that they weren't complicit.

just a weird blip where nazis, paedophiles and rapists were accepted by the establishment, and the US broke all her traditional alliances, cozied up to dictators and elected a president with severe mental illness and probable dementia...
that'll keep the spin doctors busy, huh?

 

[Xorkoth]

The difference, IMO, is that Clinton is no longer in power, whereas Trump is, and he's doing more damage by the day.

 

[spacejunk]

You sound exactly like all the folks who want are waiting for Clinton to get punished for things. Seriously, just flip the names.

erm, no - i am waiting for a rapist to get punished for rape. and electoral fraud or whatever else he'll be charged with.

i actually think the only way trump will avoid jail at this point is if he dies before he is convicted.
his legacy will be his criminality, which is not a cloud he will be able to walk away from.

there is no redemption for donald trump - think of him as a bill cosby figure for white supremacists. :D

 

[cduggles]

See X-factor, this is what is considered getting off-topic.

If you want to discuss the Clintons, unless you'd like to bring up sexual abuse allegations (i.e., not adultery), we have a Clinton thread, and so on.

I'm UAing your last two posts. (That means 'unapproving').

Edit: Please pm CE&P staff, including senior moderators, or admins with comments or complaints about moderation. If your problem has not been resolved and you would like further dialogue, please start a thread in STH.

Best, CD

 

[alasdairm]

first, as a greenlighter I'm limited to 1 pm every 3 hrs, and I don't usually put in 3 hrs a day on here.

the 3 hours don't have to be spent on bluelight

alasdair

 

[JGrimez]

there are countless rapists who should be behind bars, and have little doubt trump is one of them.

Based on what? Which accuser exactly? Did he ever settle an obviously bogus abuse allegation?
There was little doubt Cosby & Weinstein were guilty based on the long list of credible accusers, however in Trump's case you are concocting scenarios based on fake political smear.

this all-out assault on democracy never happened, that they weren't complicit.

He was democratically-elected to beat a corrupt establishment candidate. Whether you agree with Trump's policies or not, it was a triumph of democracy.

where nazis, paedophiles and rapists were accepted by the establishment

Exactly, but it's *mostly* associates ofthe Left that are proving to be guilty of this stuff.
Anti-free speech (fascist), pedophiles/rapists (check back through this thread and each one's political affiliation)

The difference, IMO, is that Clinton is no longer in power, whereas Trump is, and he's doing more damage by the day.

That's irrelevant because if Trump lost the election and was proven to have raped someone, then he should still be charged (obviously).

 

[cduggles]

Based on what? Which accuser exactly? Did he ever settle an obviously bogus abuse allegation?
There was little doubt Cosby & Weinstein were guilty based on the long list of credible accusers, however in Trump's case you are concocting scenarios based on fake political smear.

Weinstein still hasn't been convicted, while Cosby has. So your standard of innocence isn't based on the judiciary.

How many women have to accuse someone of horrendous sexual abuse before it matters? Before they aren't "concocting scenarios?" Do famous and/or rich guys get a larger margin? What about priests? Fewer? Rabbis? Who gets a few extra? Who gets a few less? Let's have solid numbers people.

Excuse my language, but that is just so fucked up. It really shows how sexual predators and their victims are judged in a really messed up way by a seemingly vocal portion of American society.

Thanks for illustrating this hypocrisy and warped thinking so perfectly, I guess.

(This thread is about powerful men abusing mostly women, so I'm limiting my comments gender-wise here. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, so to speak, with my ?ber-feminism 8) 8)).

Apparently you aren't aware that there are allegations that predate Trump as a politician. (I know, they just wanted money, they just wanted to be known for being sexually exploited by someone famous, [insert usual excuses here]...)

We all know Trump settles lawsuits and pays out hush money. (Well most of us. Proud Trump U Graduate!)

Maybe his fixer Michael Cohen had a separate LLC for rape. I guess we'll find out. Oh wait the entire DOJ, FBI, and CIA-- except for Mike Pompeo, who ran it before he became Secretary of State, while he was making secret visits to apparently negotiate unsuccessfully in North Korea-- are completely corrupt institutions. There were even two people who were immediately reassigned/"no longer with" the FBI persecuting Trump who had an extramarital affair, had political opinions, and texted a lot, which is somehow relevant.

Defending Trump must be exhausting.


From previous posts of mine as a learning aid:

WHEN HAS TRUMP BEEN ACCUSED OF RAPE OR ATTEMPTED RAPE? ALLEGATIONS INCLUDE A CHILD, HIS WIFE AND A BUSINESS ASSOCIATE

Donald Trump was also accused by at least 16 women of sexual harassment and assault throughout the 2016 election campaign, and he still won the presidency.


Former Alabama judge Roy Moore appears to be losing his shot at a seat in the U.S. Senate that was previously a near-guaranteed win. This follows numerous accusations of inappropriate behavior, including making sexual advances on a 14-year-old girl.

Former Alabama judge Roy Moore appears to be losing his shot at a seat in the U.S. Senate that was previously a near-guaranteed win. This follows numerous accusations of inappropriate behavior, including making sexual advances on a 14-year-old girl.

Trump has been accused of rape and attempted rape a total of three times, once involving an alleged victim who was a year younger than Moore's accuser.

In 1994, Trump went to a party with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire who was a? notorious registered sex offender, and raped a 13-year-old girl that night in what was a "savage sexual attack,"? according to a lawsuit filed in June 2016 by "Jane Doe."? The account was corroborated by a witness in the suit, who claimed to have watched as the child performed various sexual acts on Trump and Epstein even after the two were advised she was a minor.

"Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump?€™s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed,"? Jane Doe wrote in the lawsuit, filed in New York.

The lawsuit was dropped in November 2016, just four days before the election, with Jane Doe's attorneys citing "numerous threats"? against her.

During a court deposition, Ivana Trump?€”Donald's first wife and mother to Eric, Donald Jr. and Ivanka?€”accused the president of raping her in 1989. The private account was described in former Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III?€™s 1993 book,? Lost Tycoon. It details? the alleged "violent assault,"? in which Trump pulled out fistfuls of his ex-wife?€™s hair after receiving a painful operation on his scalp.

"He jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months,"? Hurt? wrote."Ivana is? terrified.?€? According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidants, 'he raped me.'"

Ivana walked back her allegations against Trump after his lawyers insisted she write the following statement at the beginning of her book, according to The New York Times: "During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

A former Trump business associate, Jill Harth, claimed in a 1997 lawsuit the New York real estate mogul ?€œattempted rape?€ and groped her without her consent on various occasions. In the suit, Harth described a violent encounter at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort,? in which Trump allegedly threw her against the wall of one of his children?€™s bedrooms before lifting up her dress.

"It was a shocking thing to have him do this, because he knew I was with George [her partner], he knew they were in the next room,"? she recalled in an October 2016 interview with The Guardian. "How could he be doing this when I'm there for business?"

In the pre-election? interview, Harth maintained her allegations against Trump despite having withdrawn her lawsuit against him after he settled a separate suit her partner filed over a business dispute.

Trump has denied all three of these accusations. He? said? that Harth?€™s claims were "meritless"? and that accusations of him raping a minor were "categorically false"? and "politically motivated." Michael Cohen, his former lawyer and top aide,? defended him against Ivana Trump?€™s claims, saying, "By the very definition, you can't rape your spouse."

The president has? also been accused of sexual harassment or assault by at least 16 women.

Trump has continued his denials in office, with White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders repeatedly telling reporters every accusation against him is a flat-out lie. He?€™s also used a press conference in the White House Rose Garden to lambast his accusers, saying? in October, "All I can say is it?€™s totally fake news."

He added, "It's just fake. It's fake. It's made-up stuff. It's disgraceful? what happens, but that happens in the?€”that happens in the world of politics."

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#TRUMPTOO
17 women have accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct. It’s time to revisit those stories

After a fifth woman accused Roy Moore of sexual misbehavior or assault, US senate majority leader and fellow Republican Mitch McConnell urged the Alabama senate nominee to withdraw, saying, ?€œI believe the women.?€

His visible and vocal stance regarding Moore sharply contrasts with how supporters of Donald Trump have responded to at least 17 women who have accused him of various degrees of sexual harassment, voyeurism, and assault. Their claims against the US president span three decades. During his campaign, Trump vociferously denied each accusation, adding in one instance that the woman in question ?€œwould not have been my first choice.?€

Republican leaders spoke out against Trump in October 2016, when an Access Hollywood tape emerged in which Trump can be heard bragging that he could ?€œgrab [women] by the pussy.?€ But they did not defend the women who came forward with assault allegations against Trump, nor did they suggest their claims were credible.

As the calendar ticked forward to the presidential vote, GOP figures who had briefly distanced themselves from Trump got behind him again. His accusers?€™ stories faded to the background. The media moved on to other things. Trump was elected.

Now that he has sided with Moore?€™s accusers, McConnell was asked on Nov. 15 if he believes the women who similarly accused Trump. He would not answer. ?€œLook, we?€™re talking about the situation in Alabama,?€ he told reporters. ?€œAnd I?€™d be happy to address that if there are any further questions.?€

The Post-Weinstein World

Though just over a year has passed since the election, the claims against Moore have come to light into a very different world than those raised against Trump. Revelations about movie mogul Harvey Weinstein have prompted a torrent of new allegations, which cost powerful men in entertainment, media, and politics their jobs.

Viral hashtag campaigns including #MeToo and #MeAt14 have given thousands of women on social media the opportunity to speak out against the sexual abuse, harassment, and assault they have experienced. Another one, #TrumpToo, has gained new currency.

Tweet from Stephen Colbert:
Welcome home, ?@RealDonaldTrump?! While you were gone we started actually punishing people for sexual harassment so, you know, heads up.
6:12 PM - Nov 14, 2017

Now may be the time to look at public accusations against Trump again, to view them anew in a rapidly changing political and social climate. Trump has never been charged with a sexual-misconduct crime, and has adamantly denied each claim listed below. But the world?€™s approach to women who say they have been victimized by sexual misconduct is changing?€”and so are the consequences for men who are accused.

Language also matters. Much of the coverage of the accusations waged against Trump last fall used wording like ?€œgroping,?€ ?€œinappropriate touching,?€ or ?€œfondling?€ to describe behavior that could constitute sexual assault. As Laura Bates, author of Everyday Sexism and Girl Up, wrote in the Guardian, using euphemistic language both downplays the severity of the offense being alleged and undercuts the distress felt by the women who came forward.

A note on terminology: The US Justice Department defines sexual assault as ?€œany type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient.?€ This includes forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape. According to the National Institute of Justice, sexual assault can also include voyeurism, exposure to exhibitionism, and undesired exposure to pornography.

The 17 named accusers of Donald Trump

Each accuser's account of sexual assault is presented.

Donald Trump has denied all allegations.

tl;dr You are just being lazy now if you act like you have no idea who has accused Trump of sexually assault ranging from voyeurism to rape.

He was democratically-elected to beat a corrupt establishment candidate. Whether you agree with Trump's policies or not, it was a triumph of democracy.

Da, comrade. Also, stay on topic, please. #WITCH HUNT has its own thread.

Exactly, but it's *mostly* associates ofthe Left that are proving to be guilty of this stuff.
Anti-free speech (fascist), pedophiles/rapists (check back through this thread and each one's political affiliation)

Associating sexual abusers with a political affiliation because of the MSM focus on celebrity is the most ignorant argument I've ever heard made about sexual abuse and dude that is something. Okay.

That's irrelevant because if Trump lost the election and was proven to have raped someone, then he should still be charged (obviously).

But it's cool if he won or if it gets him a Senate seat, right? Don't forget Roy Moore and his wife: Roy Moore?s Wife: We?re Not Anti-Semitic, ?One of Our Attorneys Is a Jew?"

I never need to head about political bias from you again... Stopwatch on.

This post needed a reply because it's such a great example of how politics and power dynamics play into how people judge sexual assault allegations and who they are made against. It's a sad commentary.

 

[alasdairm]

We all know Trump settles lawsuits and pays out hush money. (Well most of us. Proud Trump U Graduate!)

you must be mistaken cduggles. trump has said clearly that he never, ever, ever settles lawsuits. ever.

wait. no. nevermind.

alasdair

 

[JGrimez]

Then charge him. You're saying he intimidated every single witness? Over decades?
We know that Weinstein hired ex-Israeli mossad to harass and intimidate witnesses and journalists, but eventually the truth came out.
However Trump has the entire media establishment against him, not to mention a YUGE number of people that want him removed, so if there are credible accusations I am all for handing out justice evenly, unlike some.

 

[cduggles]

Trump 1) has admittedly (after first lying) paid a porn star and a Playboy model off with hush money to prevent them from saying anything about those extramarital affairs (just like those two corrupt FBI agents!) right after his third wife gave birth, as well as having a long, proud history of extramarital affairs,

2) had a thug fixer lawyer who has been under FBI investigation for months,

3) bragged about bursting in on naked pageant contestants and groping women without consent as well as other lewd and illegal nonconsensual behaviors,

4) coincidentally been accused by women of voyeurism, rape, and groping them without consent (updated link with 19 accusations over a couple of decades),

5) and supports men who are total pervs and wife beaters like Bill O'Reilly, Roy Moore, Rob Porter--a guy who beat women, as well as various others,


and yet he is somehow a credible guy in any way as anything but a completely amoral misogynist (except for maybe Ivanka and I'm not going there)?


Unless you're going the to go the route of the Catholic Church's stunning defense for sexual abuse by priests, I don't think there's much left to defending Trump anymore when it comes to women. At all. In any way.

(Note: That Catholic Church article was just a bizarre level of awfulness in denial.)

 

[JGrimez]

1. An extramartial affair is not the same as sexual abuse. I also don't see why you'd bring that up because if something like that disqualifies you from being president then Hillary should also be disqualified for supporting her husband through his affairs (and even intimidating his accusers herself).

2. Relevance? Off-topic. Lawyer was subject of an investigation. Could be legit could be political attack time will tell.

3. Lewd, private yet consensual comments relating to women. "they let you". The comments on Stern show were controversial and you could say inappropriate.
It's not cool to walk in on contestants just because you can. Is that sexual assault though? Be very specific with what you can prove.

4. Any settlements related to sexual misconduct? Did he pay off the entire judicial system, which was even later weaponized against him? Why risk wiretapping Trump when they could have taken him down with a sex scandal?

5. O'Reilly is a piece of crap. Is there evidence Trump voiced support for him after the sex allegations? Moore was an obvious political attack, witnesses changed stories or recounted and evidence (ie in a diary) was falsified by sneaky lawyer and rabid anti-trumper Allred. I'm not saying Moore is innocent but stuff was fabricated and why would someone need to do that if the allegations stood on their own?

Unless you're going the to go the route of the Catholic Church's stunning defense for sexual abuse by priests

Bit of a non sequitur, but it's obviously super important to tell the difference between being a sleazy man and sexual assault.

There's a reason we're seeing Weinstein in handcuffs now and not Trump back during the election - and it's not because one is more powerful than the other, Weinstein had the entire establishment backing him up while they had plenty of time (decades even) to take Trump down before he became president. The concept is called political smear.

 

[JGrimez]

Terry Crews Admits Hollywood's Dark Secret

 

[Xorkoth]

Then charge him. You're saying he intimidated every single witness? Over decades?
We know that Weinstein hired ex-Israeli mossad to harass and intimidate witnesses and journalists, but eventually the truth came out.

Yes I think that's exactly what people are saying. As you say, Weinstein got away with it for a long time before he got nailed. He actually did a much better job of keeping it under wraps and was much more prolific it would seem, according at least to what has come out about it, than Trump, but he did get caught up finally. And not for lack of people trying before it he finally toppled. Saying that since Trump hasn't been charged yet means he's innocent is nonsensical at best.

You guys will do anything to keep believing the lie you fell for, it's really something to behold. A stark lesson in group psychology.

 

[JGrimez]

Former 'Young and Restless' actor Corey Sligh found guilty of child molestation
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...rey-sligh-found-guilty-child-molestation.html

An actor who had a stint on the CBS soap opera, "The Young and the Restless" has been convicted of molesting a young girl.

Corey Seth Sligh, 30, was convicted on one count of molesting a child younger than 10 on June 28, Bill Bishop, chief assistant state attorney for Okaloosa County Florida told the Cherokee Tribune on Wednesday.

He is facing five to 20 years in prison on the felony child molestation conviction.

Bishop said that Sligh is still facing one count of lewd and lascivious molestation on another charge regarding the same girl in Florida.

Sligh was arrested and charged with child molestation in his hometown of Canton, Georgia, on Oct. 14 and released the same day on a $22,000 bond. A police report showed the alleged molestation took place from April to September, when it was reported.

Sligh had a brief stint on "The Young and the Restless" in 2014. He also created and starred in the web series, "All About Lizzie."
Sligh told TMZ at the time that he was innocent.

 

[Xorkoth]

Crazy a person could only get 5 years in prison for molesting a child...