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SCOTUS rules in favor of Colorado Baker that refused to bake gay wedding cake 7-2

JessFR said:
It's private land. Most stores lease their location from a private company that owns the land. It's a private company, it's not publicly traded.

If I start a small business, what gives you the right to use force to tell me who I can and can't do business with? That's what's bullshit.
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The same right that lets society force a business... a food-service business, for example... to heat its chicken to 165 degrees; and to rotate its milk stock; and to sanitize, not just wash, its dishes; and to trash unused ingredients after their expiration date.

A business is not a person. It is a convenient legal fiction... a piece of paper in a filing cabinet somewhere. It doesn't have rights. It has privileges, extended to it in excess of those of a person. And it receives services from the state in excess of those extended to a person. As such and in return, it is entirely appropriate to regulate it in ways that the state would not regulate a person. Go ahead and "cook" your own only to 140, if that's the way you want to run your home kitchen. But don't you dare do so in a commercial kitchen.

Health codes for businesses are in the interest of the greater good of society as a whole. So are anti-discrimination laws. Go be a bigot on your own time.
 
SvnLyrBrto said:
The same right that lets society force a business... a food-service business, for example... to heat its chicken to 165 degrees; and to rotate its milk stock; and to sanitize, not just wash, its dishes; and to trash unused ingredients after their expiration date.

A business is not a person. It is a convenient legal fiction... a piece of paper in a filing cabinet somewhere. It doesn't have rights. It has privileges, extended to it in excess of those of a person. And it receives services from the state in excess of those extended to a person. As such and in return, it is entirely appropriate to regulate it in ways that the state would not regulate a person. Go ahead and "cook" your own only to 140, if that's the way you want to run your home kitchen. But don't you dare do so in a commercial kitchen.

Health codes for businesses are in the interest of the greater good of society as a whole. So are anti-discrimination laws. Go be a bigot on your own time.
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There's a bit of a difference between safety regulations and moral obligations.
 
SvnLyrBrto said:
The same right that lets society force a business... a food-service business, for example... to heat its chicken to 165 degrees; and to rotate its milk stock; and to sanitize, not just wash, its dishes; and to trash unused ingredients after their expiration date.

A business is not a person. It is a convenient legal fiction... a piece of paper in a filing cabinet somewhere. It doesn't have rights. It has privileges, extended to it in excess of those of a person. And it receives services from the state in excess of those extended to a person. As such and in return, it is entirely appropriate to regulate it in ways that the state would not regulate a person. Go ahead and "cook" your own only to 140, if that's the way you want to run your home kitchen. But don't you dare do so in a commercial kitchen.

Health codes for businesses are in the interest of the greater good of society as a whole. So are anti-discrimination laws. Go be a bigot on your own time.
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People's physical health which is pretty much universally the same for everyone isn't even remotely the same thing as the imaginary right for a portion of society to be free of being offended by another portion of society.

Businesses may not have inherent rights but people do, and people can own businesses. That is exactly why I see a difference in this regard between small businesses and larger ones.

If you're the owner of a business, business time and your time is virtually the same thing.

And as for this additional services from the government bs. People keep suggesting it without actually clarifying what they even mean by it. So I think I'm done arguing with that until someone elaborates. Especially since as I've already said, if that is indeed the case, then a way should be made to forfeit it for increased freedom.

Some people here keep imagining businesses purely artificial people always responsible to greater society. That might well hold some truth for some businesses. But for very small businesses like the kind this thread was started over, it's a bullshit argument. Those are businesses small enough that they are essentially the personal property of an individual. One of many individuals who own such businesses. And so part of society itself and deserving of rights.
 
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