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"ironic" racism is still racism

Xorkoth said:
And yet they make up roughly 50% of the population. Part of the privilege there is the fact that so few women compared to men are even considered "qualified candidates".
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Truth! I worked at a v famous medical center and a v cool doctor noted in a meeting that when they looked for candidates, they looked for people they knew. And he noted that they only knew men.

They expanded the search and found someone who became the department's head clinician and turned down being the Chair because she didn't like bureaucracy.

There are qualified women, but this stuff perpetrates itself.

And how do you know the women in Canada aren't qualified?
 
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Basically I admire what Trudeau was trying to do but he made a point to specifically fill his cabinet with 50% women, possibly at the expense of other male candidates who were better qualified.
Yes you could say the women are adequate for the positions but are they the best choice? Maybe. I hope so. Statistically not 50%.
Same deal whenever someone else wants to fill quotas on race/sex/gender etc. Identity should be completely removed from qualifications for a position.
I even heard of some tech companies now racially discriminating against asian americans...
 
JGrimez said:
Basically I admire what Trudeau was trying to do but he made a point to specifically fill his cabinet with 50% women, possibly at the expense of other male candidates who were better qualified.
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how do you know they're better qualified? have you seen their resumes? what are you using as your criteria to determine qualifications?

a government should be reflective of the society it represents, including its makeup reflecting the makeup of the population.

JGrimez said:
Identity should be completely removed from qualifications for a position.
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i generally do agree with this though, but in some cases having a certain perspective or lifestyle is a qualification in and of itself. women should be the ones with the largest say when it comes to certain laws and such about women, etc, stuff like that.
 
JGrimez said:
I even heard of some tech companies now racially discriminating against asian americans...
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Old news... guess who they are better than with test scores, achievements, activities and awards?

Universities in CA experienced a flood of Asians when they ended racial quotas.

The University of TX at Austin dings Asians.

And according to a lawsuit, some Asians who had higher everything were rejected by Ivy League schools in favor of everyone else.

The playing field has to be kept level for whites.

Affirmative Action Battle Has a New Focus: Asian-Americans
 
JGrimez said:
Yes you could say the women are adequate for the positions but are they the best choice? Maybe. I hope so. Statistically not 50%.
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Do you have a source for saying that statistically, women do not make up 50% of qualified candidates?

No, you don't, because the claim is incomplete. Qualified candidates for what? For anything? It sounds like you're saying that women are less competent/capable than men. Why shouldn't 50% of best qualified job candidates be women, if women are 50% of the population?

I agree that qualifications are all that should be looked at when filling a job, the best people should be hired. But the reason affirmative action is a thing is because so often, people filling jobs aren't just looking at qualifications. They're also looking at gender, race, etc, and either consciously or subconsciously crossing people off their list who don't fit the race/gender they're wanting. The fact is that there is a "men's club" sort of mentality in many businesses, and women get shut out from rising to the top. Not everywhere, certainly, but it's a thing.
 
it fits the "outrage" conservative narrative to slur people that benefit from things like affirmative action.
such slurs don't add anything to the debate, except resentment.

but it's good to acknowledge cultural bias, and unfortunately there aren't necessarily any "perfect" models for dealing with the problem of ingrained privilege - and affirmative action is one of the better options available.
 
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Activities like golfing (for the most part), the sauna, all-male clubs and Trump's Cabinet are places that women don't have access to and where business gets done.

Minorities either (Tiger Woods is an exception!)

People hire people they know. Best way to get a job. People tend to stay within racial and socioeconomic groups. It's not difficult to figure out.
 
Xorkoth said:
But the reason affirmative action is a thing is because so often, people filling jobs aren't just looking at qualifications. They're also looking at gender, race, etc
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So to combat the problem of assuming people are looking at gender/race, is to make sure that people look at gender/race. I don't see how dividing (and potentially excluding) people based on sex/race isn't racist/sexist.
Having to fill minority quotas is racist.

Xorkoth said:
It sounds like you're saying that women are less competent/capable than men. Why shouldn't 50% of best qualified job candidates be women, if women are 50% of the population
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Because women would not have made up 50% of the potential qualified applicants for these positions, just like women would not make up 50% of employees working in a coal mine.
If there was a Best Nurse of the Year award I would be very surprised if a male won. Not due to competence just demographics.

Xorkoth said:
The fact is that there is a "men's club" sort of mentality in many businesses, and women get shut out from rising to the top. Not everywhere, certainly, but it's a thing.
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I agree with this but I don't think forcing the issue will be helpful.
I heard recently of a top male exec actively not hiring a beautiful (yet highly qualified) woman for a position since he didn't want to be alone with her and risk any sort of suspicion or allegation. Hopefully some of these movements don't end up doing more harm than good.
 
spacejunk said:
but it's good to acknowledge cultural bias, and unfortunately there aren't necessarily any "perfect" models for dealing with the problem of ingrained privilege - and affirmative action is one of the better options available.
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Studies show physically attractive people get paid more and are chosen more often for positions. Where does it stop? Do we need affirmative action for ugly people too?
Being genetically good-looking is a form of ingrained privilege.
 
I think the true base of physical attractiveness is biology, but there's no doubt cultural factors overlap with that.
 
So when do we start discriminating against attractive people? It really isn't fair.
 
JGrimez said:
Example..
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They are less likely to get hired to entry level positions or lower paying positions because the employer feels as though they won't last there long and they will have to rehire.

Competent women who are thought to be physically attractive are much less likely to be hired to certain positions out of fear that they will intimidate customers or be a distraction to their coworkers.

Those are just two ways. There's plenty of evidence if you google.

But more informally, everyone knows an employer might choose the less attractive of two equally qualified candidates out of jealousy, spite, or simply viewing them as less relatable.
 
So this forum I post on often is full of people that are constantly being ironic. They recently got taken down for a few days by admins for advocation of the “mayocide”, while constantly linking to reactionary posts from both sides of the political spectrum. Would you guys consider this to be irony/a joke or doing actual harm?

The admins let us come back as long as the mods cracked down on people advocating for the mayocide. Or for those people to make it clear that they are joking.
 
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