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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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oh it's obama's fault. i feel like i've heard that before...

help me understand how when trump pays less tax he's a genius but when amazon do it they're not?

alasdair
 
oh it's obama's fault. i feel like i've heard that before...

help me understand how when trump pays less tax he's a genius but when amazon do it they're not?

alasdair

Amazon/WAPO got that deal bc they were in bed with obama/Citibank. It was a good deal for the elites but not for the American tax payer. Trump pays the taxes he is legally responsible to pay like every other American. Everyone in the country tries to pay the least amount they have to, including all major rich folks on the left including Hollywood, media elites, etc
 
^It must be a conspiracy!

^I agree. It's officially a conspiracy. :D

It is very telling. Just laugh it off and forget about it instead of giving a serious answer.
It proves the Dems don't give a toss about the dreamers. Trump wanted to grant almost 2mil people citizenship.
Can we at least agree that Trump is willing to negotiate and offer concessions

I also have a question about the wall:
Would you all change your mind if the wall was also going to reduce child trafficking across the border?
Gang infiltration?
Drugs? (maybe I shouldn't ask that one here)

https://www.westernjournal.com/poll-undercuts-dem-narrative-89-of-border-agents-want-wall-system/
in a survey conducted by the National Border Patrol Council ? the union that represents the agents who patrol the border ? 89 percent of agents supported adding a ?wall system?
 
I'm not ashamed to say I think the Dems are being stick-in-the-muds over the wrong issues. They fight so bitterly over minor immigration crap but do nothing when Sessions is tearing down American freedoms. Who gives a fuck about foreigners when our own damn government is trying to fuck us?
 
Agreed, the focus should be on unifying against these fucking reptiles that are undermining our freedoms, squeezing out the middle class, consolidating the media, and wholesale pillaging our country for personal gain.
 
Amazon/WAPO got that deal bc they were in bed with obama/Citibank. It was a good deal for the elites but not for the American tax payer. Trump pays the taxes he is legally responsible to pay like every other American. Everyone in the country tries to pay the least amount they have to...
yet another muddled, inconsistent response from you droppers. if it's not a problem when trump does it, it shouldn't be a problem when anybody else does it. that's logic.

alasdair
 
i've been doing some more reading on the subject and it's pretty clear to me that trump is, at best, talking nonsense and, at worst, just flat out lying about a subject he likely doesn't fully understand.

Ex-postmaster general defies Trump by 'unequivocally' stating that Amazon's contract is profitable for the US Postal Service
Does the post office actually lose money on Amazon?
Congress, Not Amazon, Messed Up the Post Office

oh, and this irony: As Trump Attacks Amazon-Postal Service Ties, He Fails To Fill Postal Governing Board

the cbs article sums it up quite succinctly:

There is little to these claims. While the postal service is struggling, it's not because of Amazon. In fact, package delivery is one of the few lines of business that's growing.

i wonder if there's a little insecurity and jealousy at play here - jeff bezos is worth about 35 times what trump is worth. i imagine that needles him constantly...

alasdair
 
I doubt it, supposedly the owner of Amazon is also the owner of the Washington post, I haven't fact checked that and I saw it on the news so that could be totally wrong. But if it's true, that sounds like a much more plausible reason. Perhaps trump asked him to make them be nicer to him, he refused or the situation isn't that simple or like many people he hates trump too, who knows, but if it's not that it's probably something equally petty.

Thing that I'm more amazed by isn't trump ranting about stupid shit, he always does that. It's his supporters, they just follow along with all of it even if it makes no sense at all. Even when it's obviously some private vendetta that trump insists on making public. Because he's a narcissist and those types can't stand not having control over everyone and everything, so if anything crosses them they have to hurt them.
 
So let's nuke 'em while they're still in Mexico. 8(

We certainly don’t need to let them get to the border. I’m glad GEOTUS put troops down there, also we should pay off the federale to help turn them back. By any means necessary we need to stop before they can cross and really put the hurt on our social safety net/ swamped courts.
 
We certainly don’t need to let them get to the border.

Mexico is not a U.S. territory. If Mexico is conspiring to funnel bad hombres into the U.S., perhaps this is an issue for discussion at the U.N.?

Oh, no, that's right, we're much more interested in pushing miniature sanctions on DPRK (the ultimate irony by '24 is when LA, DC, or NYC is reduced to ashes and our interests in sanctions/the UN were wasted efforts)...
 
"Special counsel Robert Mueller told President Trump's attorneys last month that he does not consider Trump to be a criminal target in his investigation of Russian actions during the 2016 campaign, The Washington Post reported Tuesday night."

:)
 
Trump is so thirsty that he had to say military troops instead of the National Guard.

You would think all the "they're taking our guns" folks would perhaps be alarmed that federal troops were being dispatched South, but I guess posse comitatus isn't important to Trump supporters. Or maybe they just missed that day in class?

This whole "caravan" nonsense shows what Trump looks like unchained with unqualified advisers. They might just be outright unqualified, or they are in the wrong role (see new VA head, basically a physician who is now in charge of the second-largest bureaucracy after the Pentagon. Good luck dude,)

I think this "immigrant caravan" "issue" is quite a perfect illustration of trump's fundamental message, if you look at it in socioeconomic terms.

He has spent his entire "*political career" milking this one central theme; the anxiety of declining privilege.

Trump plays upon the idea that certain kinds of privilege (that which has been enjoyed by whites, by males, and by american citizens since the "glory days" of slavery) is somehow god-given, and importantly under threat.

It may indeed be true that some people have seen a minuscule slip in their social standing as a result of the gradual - and hard fought - increase in social equality (racial, sexual, etc).

Trump apologist act like this is some great injustice, when in fact it's the absolute opposite of injustice.

he encourages and feeds into the myth that a minor shift in privilege is discrimination against the (slightly less) privileged - when in fact, again, the small decrease in privilege they've encountered is the exact opposite of discrimination.

In all the confusion, they elect a guy with no experience, knowledge or integrity to the presidency, because he best panders to their fear, their insularity, and their resentment.

Trump thrives off victim mentality which has been constructed and encouraged - with the help of a few other billionaires (murdoch, koch brothers etc) - and whipped up into a sense of fear, envy and resentment and then directed at entirely the wrong people.

the people who support trump have been cheated - but not by immigrants, black folk, trans folk, women folk, liberals, intellectuals, feminists, environmentalists, refugees, mexicans, anti-fascists or journalists.
They've been cheated by trump.




rather than direct their frustration at those who benefit from the (very real) economic hardships they're experiencing, the trump crowd have committed themselves to the myth they've been sold so wholeheartedly that they feel the need to tell everyone who will listen (and everyone else as well) about it.

I refer, of course, to trump's amazing new clothes.

the best clothes! all the brightest clothes! the brightest clothes ever, believe me!

A lot of those who voted for trump have been fucked over by an economic system that is rigged against them from birth by the very class of people trump governs for; the wealthy elite.

America's wealthy minority - the leaders of industry - have sold working people out by outsourcing their jobs and incrementally boosting their own obscenely inflated salaries, but the hostility trump has helped nurture is conveniently aimed away from corrupt billionaires and

the continual rise of executive salaries - contrasted with the stagnant wages of millions of working-poor americans - illustrates who is benefiting from the struggles of working people.

there are plenty of reasons for the working classes of the USA to be resentful, but the trump presidency is an brilliantly orchestrated (if exceptionally short-fingered) sleight-of-hand.
rather than directing their considerable and justifiable frustration at the people profiting from their hardship, the people who voted for trump effectively handed the reins to the very people who benefit from the hardships that created such disillusionment to begin with.

It's ironic, but conning people into voting against their best interests very often is.

and while trump's apologists praise the guy who is deconstructing the nation's institutions and pissing away their hard earned tax dollars on his golfing vacations, he keeps feeding them easy targets, to indulge their resentment, their fear and their prejudice.
This whole "army on the border" nonsense is such an unbelievably cheap stunt, but he knows his fans will lap it up.

the hostility he fosters - hyping racial tensions, religious paranoia, suspicion of immigrants and anyone that can be labelled transgressive benefits him but hurts the people he is supposed to work for and represent.

trump feeds their fear and then feeds off it.

by stoking the tribalism, hostility and paranoia that already exists, he enables and encourages people worst instincts for his own benefit.

by giving voice to the nastiness - the bigotry and hate - which people have learned to keep hidden away, he's effectively re-normalised a whole bunch of anti-social behaviours which were best left in the past.
i guess that's what "making america great again" is all about?


all politicians know the power of appealing to base prejudice, but few are heartless or reckless enough to tear communities apart for their own benefit.

this is the exceptional thing about trump - he doesn't give a fuck who gets burned.

immigrants have been a huge obsession of trump's because they're the easiest target for a man like him.

it's not poor people putting the pinch on american workers - it's not immigrants or refugees or muslims or trans kids. It's the greedy, corrupt rich bastards like him.

he doesn't trade on leadership, unity or reasoned debate - he's a trash talker. that's his image, that's his skill.
the only threat to his trash-talk and his con-artistry is litigation.
when trump targets the 'very bad people' of the press, he's magnifying the disconnect between his bullshit and those that expose it. It's just another battleground and social division that he can agitate for his own benefit.

when he targets refugees, mexican "rapists" and "murderers", immigrants from "shithole countries", the women who have accused him of sexual abuse - and everybody else he publicly slanders (it's a long list), he knows full well that the resources at their disposal cannot match his, and that he can silence potential litigants with counter-litigation.
it's how donald trump operates. he's a greedy, nasty, bully who compensates for his obvious shortcomings with put-downs, lies and personal attacks.

All of this is why a military response to a bunch of dirt-poor would-be immigrants is classic trump.

it's an unnecessary and absurd political spectacle which is tailor-made for TV and panders to nationalistic insecurities, racist resentments and trump's trademark vindictive xenophobia.
It's just another example of the ever-perpetuated myth that economic hardships are to be blamed on the poor people fighting over crumbs - rather than corporate elite who actively protect the economic status quo that leaves so many people with so very little.





*(i put that in quotes because it seems far too generous, despite technically being true)
 
What I find interesting about the die hard trump supporters is that they don't actually believe in much at all besides trump. Even if trump takes a position someone with their politics would normally oppose, they change position to conform to trumps reality. It's bizarre. It shows they are so desperate for someone who fights for them that they'll change what they believe in just to not have to accept that trumps not on their side. Not saying this is the case with everyone who's protrump, just the large number of die hards.

I've said this before, but unless you're a total sociopath I don't see how any half decent human being could like trump as a person. He's a horrible person. A narcissistic bully. The type of person where society would be all the richer for their absence.

Trump can't fight for anyone because trumps only loyalty is to himself. Many people so badly wish not to believe that so come up with whatever they have to believe to not see the obvious. The Christian right are an example. Trumps quite obviously an atheist. He doesn't know anything about the Bible. Yet the Christian right supports him even though it's obvious Trump considers himself too smart for religion.
 
Even if trump takes a position someone with their politics would normally oppose, they change position to conform to trumps reality.
Can you give an example?

Trumps quite obviously an atheist.
Why do you say this?
 
What I find interesting about the die hard trump supporters is that they don't actually believe in much at all besides trump. Even if trump takes a position someone with their politics would normally oppose, they change position to conform to trumps reality. It's bizarre. It shows they are so desperate for someone who fights for them that they'll change what they believe in just to not have to accept that trumps not on their side.

Agreed, it's bizarre. He could say or do pretty much anything, it seems, and he'd be blindly supported. Meanwhile he and his people are in the background laughing at it all while they pillage in plain sight the country that his followers are so into loving. It creeps me out

We certainly don?t need to let them get to the border. I?m glad POTUS put troops down there, also we should pay off the federale to help turn them back. By any means necessary we need to stop before they can cross and really put the hurt on our social safety net/ swamped courts.

You seem like an intelligent person, so how is it that you can utter this statement? 1500 refugee families should be turned back by the military because they're going to wreak havoc on our social safety net? "By any means necessary"? 8( 8( Yeah, 1500 immigrant families are what we should be worrying about now. How is it that you can't see what's going on here? Does Fox News emit some sort of insidious thought control waves or something? This "issue" is so clearly propaganda.

Are you just trolling right now or are you actually a parrot?
 
Theres die hard fans if celebrities everywhere, there will always be those who will justify anything and everything rather than admit Trump does actually screw up.

No one is perfect. No leader really admits to wrong doing but others in the past have been more capable of at least being seen to know what they're doing.


Trump supporters have their perfect right to support him in whatever way they choose.

Its fine, Im pretty sure other leaders ie Hitler and whats his face had die hard supporters.

Their opinion is just an opinion like anyone elses, its not going to change and theres no point getting angsty about it .


Just vote him out next time eh? Actually I dont think its going to be possible returning to a career public servant as thats not good tv.
 
Why do you say this?

Well like I said it seems obvious to me, but..

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/18/4635...mp-struggles-to-make-the-sale-to-evangelicals

Between that and the fact that submission to a higher power goes completely against his personality, at the very least I think you can safely say he's no Christian.

But really, seems pretty obvious to me. Trumps not the religious type. In terms of religions like Christianity, it requires belief that you don't know everything and that you're not the most powerful and smartest being to exist. Trump might superficially accept that to be the case, but for all practical purposes I think he believes he is. Everything about his behavior shows it.

Not to mention trump had decades prior to entering the race for president to ever give any indication he was a Christian. He's not.

And I would bet anything that in his mind, much as he's capable of self delusion, that he's fully aware that he's an atheist and he thinks his obvious deception of Christians just proves how much smarter he is and how stupid they are. I'd bet you he's quietly laughing at them.
 
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