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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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swilow said:
Pretty sure black people can be racist too. What a ridiculous comment.
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Actually saying that all supporters of Trump are racist is a ridiculous comment. There are members of each race that support him.
So who are they all racist against? Or are they just racist in general? Does not compute.

swilow said:
If you support racist and bigoted policies
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spacejunk said:
Trump peddles racist politics.
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Can you guys name one racist policy please? Just so I know what the fuck you are talking about?


cduggles: Do you agree with the Dems not taking the DACA offer?
 
Why do you specify a "racist policy"?
The "muslim ban" is a racist policy - but trump's whole political career is built on a bedrock of resentment and bigotry.
This whole "caravan" thing is a racist beat-up - and excessive response to a non-existent invasion threat posed by scary foreigners.

Trump's very popular with certain working class mainstream communities, sure.
but he is also beloved by a whole subset of white supremacist knuckle-draggers and neo-nazis. There's a reason for that - he's a racist asshole. Lets not beat around in the bush.

But anyway, this is a tactic i've seen just about every other trump poster engage in - derailing threads and dodging questions by demanding proof that trump is a racist.
Typically, any evidence you are presented with is dismissed, disregarded or completely ignored.

There's not much point engaging with you if you're going to dodge actual discussion, there's nothing to be gained from disingenuous debate.

Sometimes i wonder why every trump supporter i've ever come across has completely denied all awareness of trump's racism - but then i remember that it must be impossible to be totally truthful when defending the indefensible.
 
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Lol the ?Muslim ban? is one of the reasons the msm is called out for spreading fake news. If it were a ?Muslim ban? why didn?t we include the vast majority of majority Islamic countries? There are like thirty, yet we have 6 countries on the list.
JessFR said:
Just to let you know, I have a pet peeve, a sure fire way to immediately lose me is to suggest "it's not fair". That's not really a thought out counter argument, just a small protest on my part cause I hate complaints of "that's not fair".

My real counter argument is that I don't see military border patrols or a giant fucking wall being particularly cheap, and that's gonna undo a lot of any savings made. I'm amenable to the cost saving argument provided the costs saved are substantial, but I'm far from convinced they are when compared to the cost of enforcement, not to mention other economic impacts. And arguing it as a matter of principle is where you lose me again, fuck the principle, the government justifies too much bullshit and waste and bad policy on "principle" as it is. The war on drugs is a war on principle. If you wanna talk money then either it saves money or it doesn't, and unless it saves a LOT of money, as net savings I mean, then I'd be wondering why we're focusing on convenient scapegoats over much more substantial savings we could make. Either it's about money or it isn't.
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Look how much we spend a year on illegal immigration with the court costs, law enforcement cost, etc. The one time cost of a wall with sensors and other technology would be an investment worth making. We should push for cameras on it too, as of right now there are cameras in the border in certain place where citizens can watch a feed and call in tips to the border enforcement. I?ve seen a number of folks on 4chan contributing calling in tips a few months ago. We need more ideas like that imho
 
JGrimez said:
He's got the same approval rating as Obama. Was Obama an idiot who had no idea what he was doing or is it only idiots that approve of Trump?
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No, Obama was a guy who knew what he was doing and understood how to govern. He wasn't perfect, but he did pull us out of the great recession. Trump got into office with things going great and his supporters decided it must be because of him, even though he didn't even have time to do anything yet. During Obama's 8 years things improved greatly. We'll see where we're at at the end of Trump's reign. But I guess it'll probably be whatever Democrat who gets elected's fault as soon as he hits office.

Approval rating can also show the idiocy of the mass of people.

"You're fired"
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Thanks for reminding us that Trump's previous political experience basically amounts to reality TV.

If you ever listen to his speeches, he will gladly tell you himself how great he is.
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A person who has to repeatedly tell everyone how great they are is pathetic and insecure, not great.

#MAGA
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Excuse me while I vomit.

How is it that anyone can listen to the guy, or watch him, and honestly believe he cares about anyone but himself and those who he is financially beholden to? That's a serious question... he so obviously is a narcissist, I just really don't get it. He's so disingenuous.
 
spacejunk said:
There's not much point engaging with you if you're going to dodge actual discussion, there's nothing to be gained from disingenuous debate.
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What discussion? The only (barely) relevant thing you mentioned was the "muslim ban" which were temporary travel restrictions. That's all you said. How do you take that to then state that all of his supporters are supporting racism? Trump campaigned (and won) on securing the borders, which previous Democrat presidents agreed on record should be done. So what's the problem? It doesn't matter if you are black, white, brown, yellow or purple if you try to enter illegally it's going to be more difficult. And illegal immigration numbers have dropped already. Why do you want to flood the country with illegal immigrants while legal applicants who have done the right thing are waiting to come through? How does this not register for some people? No country is OK with illegal immigration. Just because the Left have allowed it for so long doesn't make it acceptable.

Xorkoth said:
No, Obama was a guy who knew what he was doing and understood how to govern. He wasn't perfect, but he did pull us out of the great recession. Trump got into office with things going great and his supporters decided it must be because of him, even though he didn't even have time to do anything yet. During Obama's 8 years things improved greatly <some things recovered, many things got much worse> We'll see where we're at at the end of Trump's reign. But I guess it'll probably be whatever Democrat who gets elected's fault as soon as he hits office.
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If things started to go bad would you credit Obama or Trump?
 
JGrimez said:
Actually saying that all supporters of Trump are racist is a ridiculous comment.
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i agree.

i'm pretty much done with trying to convince certain trump supporters here he's said racist things because they (in my experience) just reject anything you tell them. no point.

alasdair
 
^They certainly aren’t making a killing. The post office operates at like a five billion dollar net loss year after year, after funding liabilities, knowing this I don’t know that I like the government making deals with private companies, especially ones that damage small business. I think it’s time they shut the post office down.
 
how are they 'taking advantage'?

have you ever bought a stamp? if so, are you taking advantage of the post office?

hell, you praised trump for being supersmart by paying as little tax as possible. that's just smart right? why aren't you consistently praising amazon for striking such a sweet deal (and for finding ways to reduce its taxes)? that's just good business right?

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alasdair
 
The government isn't structured to be viable in a capitalist sense. It's literally a huge job creation program with services that hopefully benefit the country.

Shutting the post office down would leave privatization of mail as the sole option, and I'm guessing Amazon would do quite well bargaining with UPS (the worst!) or FedEx. In fact, I'm guessing they would make a killing in that bargaining process.

I'm guessing the average American wouldn't be able to send a card or package very often.

I'm also guessing I'd choose working at the USPS than a private service any day with reference to salary and benefits.

Otherwise, great idea.
 
I fail to see the equivalency. I might be able to take your argument seriously if you could prove you paid more than you owed in taxes. I don’t get why folks feel he is obligated to pay more than what is legally owed. The IRS literally audits him every year!

Jeff Bezos/Amazon/WAPO is taking advantage of a govenment entity that is has failed for many years and is losing its it justifications more and more, by the day. Amazon is destroying small business in this country, I’m fine with it, but we shouldn’t be letting him use government infrastructure unless it putting the government agency in the Black. The post office won’t be around in ten years regardless.
 
Droppersneck said:
I fail to see the equivalency
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i think you're being (deliberately?) obtuse again droppers.

trump brags about how he's supersmart for paying as little as possible in taxes then he turns round and criticizes amazon for not paying enough in taxes. that's called blatent hypocrisy.

amazon and the po negotiated a contract for delivery. amazon just negotiated a great deal. how's that not supersmart of them - they'd be crazy to pay more than they could, right?

you never answered my question: when you buy a stamp are you 'taking advantage' of the po?

alasdair
 
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It’s becuase the govenrmt was seriously comprimised under obama/Citibank’s rule imo. They made back door deals at the expense of the tax payer. Trump sees the unfair deal, bc he represents the govenment now, and wants to correct it. Not being obtuse at all btw. Anything I say here is what I believe to be true.
 
Why won't anyone comment on the Dems refusal to accept the DACA deal?
 
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