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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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You're living in a country being stolen from under your noses by a family of narcissistic kleptocrats.

And if you've fallen for the divisive bullshit identity politics trump and his scummy conspirators push (you have, obviously), then you've been had.

I'm just glad i'm not a part of this politics of resentment poppycock. I look at the miserable people whining online, and i can't help but laugh.
Sad!

Hi b_p ;)
 
Hate to be that guy but Obama and his cronies were actually selling out the country. Look at all the disastrous trade deals that Trump has had to negotiate.

And no I do not understand your claim that "trump canpaigned on racist bullshit". He won a substantial amount of minority votes along with educated voters so that disproves your claim.
Building a wall - not racist.
Tough on terrorism - not racist
Tough on illegal immigration - not racist.
So what campaign promises were so racist in your honest opinion?

Really, i think you're just a bunch of bigots, and it's a waste of time talking to you.
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Really? Every single person that voted for Trump is a bigot? *facepalm*
Good luck losing again and getting nowhere with that attitude
Instead of trying to understand why minorities and university-educated people voted for Trump you'd rather tell me that I'm bullshitting.
Someone who has no desire to understand their politics opponents is what's known as fanatical extremist. The far Left is just as much a danger as the far Right. You two groups need each other

Also notice that it was NOT far-Right groups that are being censored on youtube.
The ones who are being silenced are the centrists, the ones with insightful and coherent arguments that are likely to bring people around to their point of view and unite them under a common goal of peace and truth. The ones who make sense are the 'dangerous' ones..

The crazies on the far Left/Right are free (and encouraged) to run rampant as all they do is reinforce division and seed chaos.
 
Really? Every single person that voted for Trump is a bigot? *facepalm*
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"Facepalm" all you like, because - again - i did not say that.

As for "losing again" - don't presume i even had a preferred candidate in that election of false choice.
He won a substantial amount of minority votes along with educated voters so that disproves your claim.
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Who (allegedly) voted for him has nothing to do with the fact that he campaigned on a platform of unrepentant bigotry.
"Make america great again" is a racist dog whistle to a lot of people.
It is a very thinly veiled reference to pre-integrated, pre-liberated (women, gay folk etc) america.
defend the indefensible).
Sure, it's vague enough for plausible deniabilty, but few of us are so ignorant as to buy that "trump's not racist" bullshit, so please don't insult my intelligence.

"Maga" appeals to the embittered, the fearful, and especially those who resent losing a little of their privilege, as social equality has increased.
I don't have a shred of sympathy for those people, and i hope when trump is deposed they continue to lose their privilege. As it should be in a democratic, educated country (not that trump values things like education, science, human rights or democracy. That is why he's scum - and that is why you have to be so disingenuous and dishonest; you're attempting to defend the indefensible).

If you took the time to actually read my posts before parroting disingenuous trumpisms in response, you might understand that i'm disgusted by people that still defend and support trump, because you are defending and supporting some extremely messed up shit.
Not just racism, misogyny and violence - but the dismantling of american democracy by an incestuous, paedophile-backing piece of shit.

And with all due respect, that's why i don't bother discussing anything with trump people. As you keep demonstrating, it's a waste of time.
I'm yet to come across a trump supporter that is anything other than completely disingenuous.
 
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With all due respect you have a very warped sense of the world, and Trump voters especially.
Many good people who are very far from racist or bigoted voted for him, for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with hate or negativity.
It might do you some good to eventually find out why instead of just making assumptions.
 
and "Make American Great Again" means what? Back to the Native American days?
How about the 90s? When the USA was leading the world in innovation and people's standards of living were greatly improving. That took a massive dive post-9/11
You're being disingenuous if you think this means back to the days of owning slaves in the field..
 
JGrimez said:
With all due respect you have a very warped sense of the world, and Trump voters especially.
Many good people who are very far from racist or bigoted voted for him, for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with hate or negativity.
It might do you some good to eventually find out why instead of just making assumptions.
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I'm not especially interested in why people voted for such a corrupt and belligerent demagogue.

I'm discussing how fucked up it is that people still support him without question. It's creepy to me.
 
spacejunk said:
I'm not especially interested in why people voted for such a corrupt and belligerent demagogue.
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Why not though? That's it? Your mind's made up? Ever been wrong about something or altered your opinion? You actually don't care why an intelligent black man would vote for Trump?

I'm discussing how fucked up it is that people still support him without question. It's creepy to me.
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I agree, I think it's creepy that people still adore Obama after his 8 years of murder, destruction, questionable policies are stripping of human rights.
You're always going to have a group of people that follow a leader without question.
It's not going to help though if you focus on the idiots, and use them to form your opinion on everyone on that side.
Talk to the people that support Trump but also criticize him etc
 
I love our president and his many great accomplishments. He is up against the entire globalist establishment, and I can only imagine the toll it is taking on him. Over at the_donald I got dmed by his local campaign supporters, I will be going out and helping the campaign in middle Tennessee at the start of next year. The media/establishment is doing all that they can to separate his base from him, but nobody cares about their fake news about Russia, strippers, etc. Nobody except the brain dead believes anything from the legacy media. Can?t wait to literally MAGA in 2019!
 
^The one thing I'm hoping for out of all is that any and all voter and electoral fraud gets exposed.
Introduce free national voter ID. It needs to happen asap
 
I think that trying to reduce the reason that Trump got elected to one thing, whether you say it's racism or something else, is a vast oversimplification. To me it's very objectively clear that he has empowered racists and bigots to crawl out from under their rocks and feel validated, but this is not the reason he was elected, it's only a small part. The reason he was elected is because he understood how to manipulate people better than Hillary did. We have an intensely tribal political situation in the US, which is IMO extremely out of control and dangerous, and it's been fanned by politicians on both sides for a long time now. Our middle class has also eroded dramatically since Reagan in the 80s, and people are (justifiably) scared and frustrated with the system. We've finally arrived at a place where a lot of people are like, fuck the politicians, not just one side or the other. So, Trump campaigned on the idea that he was a choice that wasn't part of the corruption and he would be there for people. This appealed to a lot of people. He didn't actually win the popular vote, but he did win the electoral college which is how you win the presidency in this country, so he won. Also, a lot of people still vote on party lines which is why he got a lot of votes, too... people just couldn't bring themselves to vote for a damn Democrat, it's the same in every single election, it's how Alabama almost voted in a serial child predator (but to their credit, they elected the other guy).

He also campaigned on xenophobia, which isn't quite the same as racism. The republicans have been pushing xenophobia for a long time, too. A lot of people are very concerned about immigration, and a lot of people are really concerned about terrorism. Or really, I mean scared... and fear is a powerful motivator. People supporting deporting Muslims and Mexicans isn't the same as them being racist, although for many people it is certainly the product of manipulation.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of full-on racists and bigots who support him, too, and his general attitude makes them feel supported by him. Does he actually support that stuff? I don't know, never met the guy. I mean he's certainly misogynistic, I don't think that can be argued. I believe the guy is a piece of shit. I find it really ironic that so many people voted for a narcissistic multi-billionaire, who has never lived a single day in the life of a normal person, to represent their interests. Shit is crazy over here, the political environment is incredibly toxic. I find it difficult to understand how people think Trump is doing a good job, to me all it is is a series of clear signs that he's simply further pushing down the middle class and that he's not fit for the job. I believe I'm right about that, I'd be REALLY surprised if I'm not and I think looking back on this in the future, history will note him as one of if not the worst president in history. But like I said, I've never met the guy, or any of these politicians. I haven't seen what is actually happening. Neither have any of us. I think very few people involved in the upper levels of government are on our side. Unfortunately, I don't think Trump is the guy for us either, although I understand why people want to believe he is.
 
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Nobody except the brain dead believes anything from the legacy media.
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believing nothing from the traditional media is as moronic as believing everything from the traditional media.

here's an article from the front page of that bastion of fake news, cnn: No charges to be filed against officers in Alton Sterling death, Louisiana attorney general says

are you saying i should not believe this? are you claiming that charges are being filed in this case?

anybody who believes news from a single source needs to get in the habit of cross checking multiple, diverse sources.

your comment is hyperbole and nonsense, droppers.

alasdair
 
CNN Poll: 42% approve of Trump, highest in 11 months

personally I think this is fake news and that his approval rating is much higher
 
lol. you're trumpeting that like it's impressive?

a large majority of americans disapprove of his performance. obama's lowest approval rating across 8 years in office was 39%.

trump has the lowest approval average - by a full 7 points - of any president in the last 70 years.

alasdair
 
JGrimez said:
personally I think this is fake news and that his approval rating is much higher
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here's a list of the most prominent pollers when it comes to presidential approval: Rasmussen Reports; Ipsos/Reuters; Marist Poll; Fox News; Gallup Poll; NBC News/Wall Street Journal; Pew Research Center; CBS News; George Washington University; Quinnipiac University; Monmouth University; Suffolk University/USA Today; CNN; Kaiser Family Foundation; Public Policy Polling; Investor's Business Daily/TIPP; ABC News/Washington Post; CNBC; Public Religion Research Institute; Washington Post/University of Maryland; Bloomberg News.

his average, across all of those, is 40%.

perhaps you could take a moment and explain what your problem is with their methodologies that leads you to believe that these venerable polling companies are getting it wrong and your opinion is correct?

thanks.

alasdair
 
You know, perception of how the majority of people really feel is largely dependent on what culture you surround yourself with. For example, in my world, it appears virtually no one approves of Trump. None of my friends do, my parents don't, I have some family members who do, a few, but it's rare in my town to see Trump bumper stickers or hear people talking favorable about him. Yet in some places, it's the opposite. And people tend to get close to people who share beliefs and sets of values, so it's no surprise that my friends and family don't support Trump, but for Trump supporters, their friends and family do.

Point being, his approval rating being much higher than 40% among the people you associate with does not mean that the same holds true within other groups of people and across the country.
 
yes, of course. i live in northern california which i have to remind myself is something of a political and cultural bubble.

which is why independent/objective measures are valuable for comparison and discussion, moreso than anecdotal experience.

alasdair
 
Exactly. I think the "fake news" thing is one of the most damaging things Trump has done. Not only has he undermined the public's trust in any media outlet besides the one he says is okay (which is quietly buying up local news stations around the country after they repealed media antitrust laws), he's given himself a mechanism to do whatever and have his supporters brand anything that doesn't fit their expectations of him as lies. Low approval rating? Fake news! Evidence against Trump? Fake news! Evidence supporting Trump claims? Okay yep that looks legit, not fake news.
 
alasdairm said:
believing nothing from the traditional media is as moronic as believing everything from the traditional media.

here's an article from the front page of that bastion of fake news, cnn: No charges to be filed against officers in Alton Sterling death, Louisiana attorney general says

are you saying i should not believe this? are you claiming that charges are being filed in this case?

anybody who believes news from a single source needs to get in the habit of cross checking multiple, diverse sources.

your comment is hyperbole and nonsense, droppers.

alasdair
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The legacy media and their fake news agenda is well documented. Virtually everything is editorialized heavily. I may read it, but it’s with a grain of salt. Am I allowed to voice my opinion on this I’ll delete if not? Serious question.
alasdairm said:
lol. you're trumpeting that like it's impressive?

a large majority of americans disapprove of his performance. obama's lowest approval rating across 8 years in office was 39%.

trump has the lowest approval average - by a full 7 points - of any president in the last 70 years.

alasdair
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After 2016 I don’t think anyone believes any of the polls that come out. Every one of them is rigged to bend in w/e direction they want them to go. Obama literally had zero accomplishments so I’m sure his real approval polls got much lower. Seriously though, does everyone forget 2016 and how off the polls were. Crooked Hilary had like a 98% chance of winning on some of them ffs.
 
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