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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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trumpenproletariat are intentionally disingenuous, they'll give him credit for everything good that happens and blame everyone else for everything bad no matter what the facts and evidence show; their religion teaches them to do this too, everything good is because god and everything bad is because satan.
 
indeed xorkoth.

between january 2009 and january 2017, u.s. stocks gained ~12% a year. it was the 2nd longest bull market in us history: The U.S. Is in the Midst of a Historic Bull Market.

shortly after obama took office the dow slumped to ~6600. when he left it was at ~16000. an increase of 142%. for trump to see the same result, the dow will have to be at ~45000 when he leaves. only time will tell if it is.

when he took office, unemployment was 7.8%. it peaked during his terms at 10% but, when he left office, it was at 4.5% - a ~3% drop. obama handed trump an economy which was at, effectively for economists, full employment.

alasdair
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43479597

People hated Bill Clinton for getting a BJ. Trump has a sordid affair and the trumpenproletariat cheer 'rah rah'?

This keeps getting uglier and uglier. This is the dystopia all those 20th century sci-fi films predicted.

Some people hated him for it. But many more objected to the lie than the affair. And others didn't care about any of it.

Also I think the public consciousness has changed since the mid 90s.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43479597

People hated Bill Clinton for getting a BJ. Trump has a sordid affair and the trumpenproletariat cheer 'rah rah'?

This keeps getting uglier and uglier. This is the dystopia all those 20th century sci-fi films predicted.

Yes, and I can see how Clinton's lies about it made people and his supporters betrayed because he lied. But for Trump lying is so natural and normal. I guess most people got used to the routine.

We can't talk about that 24/7. It feels like we need to adapt to a President who will lie about anything/ everything. :/
 
You gotta wonder how may of trumps lies are knowing intent to mislead and how many of his lies are him believing his own bullshit. People like him are often so narcissistic their minds have to believe what they want the truth to be. They always have to be right but instead of trying to get their beliefs to fit reality they distort reality to fit their beliefs because they can't stand ever being wrong about anything.
 
Exactly!!

That's a perfect summary of how he constantly tries to control/manipulate everything by distorting reality to fit his/their beliefs IMO. Spot on!
 
Stormy Daniels is crushing President Trump at his own game
mp made shamelessness into a political tool. In Stormy Daniels, he's met his match.

The porn star has turned to the courts to invalidate a hush agreement, signed 10 days before the 2016 presidential election, that prevents her from disclosing details and documents pertaining to an alleged affair between herself and the president over a decade ago. The president's attorney, Michael Cohen, has admitted to "facilitating" a payment of $130,000 to Daniels just a few days before the election. Daniels (who had already given an interview to In Touch) wants to be released from an agreement that she says was never valid since the person named in the agreement (one "David Dennison") never actually signed it. She has offered to return the alleged hush money in full ? and not to Cohen, or the shell company he used to pay her ? but to Trump himself. Now it's being reported that a second Trump Organization attorney has been involved in the legal battle against her, further undercutting Cohen's claims that neither the president nor his company have been connected to the payment.

One remarkable feature of Stormy Daniels' chess match with Trump is that shame ? this White House's usual instrument against its adversaries ? isn't working. Porn stars don't find shame especially useful, and Daniels is no exception. This poses a problem for the president: Daniels (aka Stephanie Gregory Clifford) is utterly unembarrassed about profiting off her connection to him. She's unembarrassed in general. As the president's most virulent defenders have come after her, she's parried their attacks with jokes that defang them. Cracks about her age earn GILF humor, cracks about her being a prostitute have her crowing with glee. She's so good at this that her attackers often end up deleting their tweets; it's just not worth it.

The entire Trump playbook ? imply that an enemy's motives are shameful, dishonest, and not what they claim ? falls apart when they have no interest in seeming better than they are. Daniels is open about the fact that her motive is money. Just as Trump has always been. He's every bit as flummoxed by her shamelessness as others are by his. Rumors that Trump's attorney Michael Cohen might try to quash Daniels' upcoming interview with 60 Minutes smack of desperation (one is reminded, in fact, of Trump's opponents flailing in the primaries).

If shamelessness is Trump's weapon of choice, it's also his Achilles heel. Stormy Daniels won't let this story drop, she's smart enough to hire great lawyers, and she's set up a legal conundrum that lands the president in a world of trouble no matter how he responds.

How? In their Opening Arguments podcast, Andrew Torrez and Thomas Smith parse how Daniels' suit to invalidate the nondisclosure agreement (which she signed, but Trump didn't) boxes the president in. According to Torrez, the issue isn't whether Trump signed the NDA at all; the point is rather to force Trump to respond, because any response at all damages him.

Option A: He can claim that he is in fact the other party in the NDA (pseudonymously referred to as "David Dennison"). That would entitle him to the benefits of the NDA ? it might keep Stormy Daniels from sharing the information she has ? but it would effectively confirm that the contents of the NDA, many details of which are now public thanks to Daniels' suit, apply to the president of the United States.

That would be a disaster. Trump's story up to this point is that he had no relationship with Daniels and that his attorney (using a Trump Organization email and through a shell company he set up two weeks before the election) merely "facilitated" a transfer of funds to her on his own initiative, and for unspecified reasons. If Trump claims the benefit of the NDA, that story blows up. And this becomes the story of a massive coverup.

Besides pinning many of the more startling contents of the NDA to him, the admission that Trump is David Dennison would confirm that the candidate was fully aware of this illegal use of campaign funds. Whatever plausible deniability Michael Cohen tries to establish for Trump by claiming he acted on his own won't last: As Daniels' attorney Michael Avenatti explains in this interview with Ari Melber, Michael Cohen is bound by a professional code that requires him to keep his client informed of important, complex legal documents being prepared on his behalf. If Cohen seriously tries to claim he kept Trump in the dark, his career is over.

If Trump admits he is "David Dennison," Torrez adds, "then asking your lawyer to draft this document is a crime in several ways." For one thing, it's failure to disclose a campaign contribution.

We know 52 USC 30101 Subsection 8 defines contribution as including "anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for federal office." Keeping a porn star silent about your affair with them a week and a half before the election is very obviously a thing of value.
Opening Arguments


Option B would be for Trump to deny that he's David Dennison. That would liberate Stormy Daniels to share whatever she has, and since the settlement mentions "artistic media, impressions, paintings, video images, still images, email messages, text messages, Instagram message [sic], facebook [sic] posting or any other type of creation by DD," the mind boggles at what that might include. It follows that whatever Daniels has in her possession would probably depict (and possibly incriminate) whomever appears in them.

It's a remarkable bit of jiu-jitsu, and it's powered entirely by Daniels' imperviousness to the public relations concerns that have hamstrung other women who've tried to come forward about their experiences with the president.

Many of the women alleging that Trump victimized them (which Daniels, by the way, does not) have proceeded by insisting on their own respectability: They want nothing from him; they simply spoke up because they'd been harassed or assaulted by a presidential candidate, and they wanted to do the right thing. The Trump campaign's response was to characterize his accusers as attention-hungry profit-seekers. In one case, he implied that she was too ugly to harass.

Stormy Daniels is immune to these attacks. Just as Trump bragged about not paying a dime in taxes ? "that makes me smart," he said during one presidential debate ? Daniels is open about her desire to profit. Why wouldn't she? She says she has a story to sell, and she's 100 percent open about her desire to sell it. She's the only person in this story as shameless as the president himself. And the White House is reeling as a result.

It's a truism at this point that Trump benefited from a tiresome double standard. The reality TV star entered an electoral landscape filled with intelligent and image-conscious suits who understood respectability as the sine qua non of political viability. Trump refused to be respectable. He embraced his image as a corny, narcissistic, overtanned procurer of women's bodies, and twirled and winked at the mountain of crimes and improprieties he stood accused of. It worked: No single charge could stick for very long. Particularly ? and this is the nub ? because he didn't seem to mind. For a scandal to stick to someone, they have to worry about it. Trump may talk endlessly about people "laughing" at the United States, but when it comes to his own image, he has the lifelong rich man's imperviousness to the opinions of the poor. That has protected him from scandal. His narcissism only extends to those he sees as equals or superiors; everyone else is expendable.

He has enjoyed an enormous advantage, therefore, over people, particularly politicians, who see the public as equals whose good opinion they crave. And he's effortlessly "dunked" on those who try to seem better than they are by frequently going out of his way to seem worse. (Just recently, he did a parody of what a "typical" president might say at a rally. Then he brought what ? by this strange metric ? counts as "the goods": He insulted the IQ of a black congresswoman, implied he had dirt on Oprah, tried to saddle Chuck Todd with a nickname, and said the word "Obama" a bunch of times because it got the crowd riled up.)

The trouble with Trump's antics is that they only work if his is the only game in town. It's easy to imagine Stormy Daniels rolling her eyes at the amateurishness of his act. When it comes to America's rogues' gallery, the porn star will always trump the reality star.

That might deliver poetic justice, or even, if this suit works, the real thing.
 
I thought the ending was a little dramatic but I enjoyed reading this. :) Yeah, if he admits he is the one in the disclosure agreement, then he has admitted to lying repeatedly and covering up using campaign funds to pay for a nondisclosure agreement to prevent a scandal during the election... because he already admitted that his attorney wired her the money. He'll probably say it wasn't him but then she can talk and show her evidence. That would probably have lesser consequences for him of the two options.
 
I thought the ending was a little dramatic but I enjoyed reading this. :) Yeah, if he admits he is the one in the disclosure agreement, then he has admitted to lying repeatedly and covering up using campaign funds to pay for a nondisclosure agreement to prevent a scandal during the election... because he already admitted that his attorney wired her the money. He'll probably say it wasn't him but then she can talk and show her evidence. That would probably have lesser consequences for him of the two options.

i get the impression that this is a pretty shaky house of cards, which could come unstuck and rapidlly disintergrate. it's just hard to tell when it's happening, because it's been such a shambolic mess of a presidency from the very start. a farce.
if a president is convicted of a felony whilst in office, are they able to remain president?

morningloryseed said:
If one ignores his twits, and all the crazy stuff he says to rabid fans at his show, he is a half way decent president. In keeping the govt small (since the dems won't confirm anyone), and by reducing regulations, cutting taxes, he makes libertarians happy. And the economy is booming. Hope he doesnt mess it up!

it would be pretty ridiculous to ignore those things.
 
If one ignores his twits, and all the crazy stuff he says to rabid fans at his show, he is a half way decent president.
yeah, if you ignore the fact they have tons more money, rich people and poor people are basically the same...

In keeping the govt small (since the dems won't confirm anyone)...
oh come on. plenty of nominees have been confirmed. jeez, betsy devos who seems to know absolutely nothing about education was confirmed as education secretary.

trump has dragged his feet even nominating a lot of key positions and now he's trying to blame the democrats? weak sauce. back in june, when trump tweeted "Dems are taking forever to approve my people, including Ambassadors. They are nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS! Want approvals..." of ~560 positions requiring senate confirmation, trump had failed to nominate 442 of them (79%). i'm not sure where we are today but blaming the democrats is just lame.

And the economy is booming.
people talk about this as if it's all that matters. there's an associated cost for every benefit. the cost of trump's booming economy will be felt, in large part, by the environment. coal companies can now dump waste into streams with impunity, we're going to start drilling in anwr, fuck paris, etc.

and the saddest thing of all is that this generation won't have to experience the full effects - but i guess future generations can look back from their once beautiful, fucked planet and console themselves with the fact that your 401k did gangbusters :\

alasdair
 
The populist adds a trusted voice

I like this...I believe he will serve Trump well.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/poli...onal-security-adviser-announcement/index.html



Washington (CNN)Newly named White House national security adviser John Bolton tried to distance himself from his past statements on Thursday, mere minutes after being named President Donald Trump's new top national security aide.

Bolton told Fox News' "The Story" that his past comments are now "behind me" and what matters is "what the President says."
"During my career, I have written I don't know how many articles and op-eds and opinion pieces. I have given I can't count the number of speeches, I have countless interviews ... in the past 11 years. They're all out there in the public record. I have never been shy about what my views are," Bolton said, adding later, "Frankly, what I have said in private now is behind me."
He concluded: "The important thing is what the President says and the advice I give him."
 
John Bolton is a war criminal. Trump's scraping the bottom of the barrel, digging up these string-pullers from the dubya era.

I hope Bolton's tenure is as brief as everyone else's, because he's an especially shady war monger.

Kind of interesting to read this article from 2016 (between the election and trump's inauguration), and i really hope this is not trump maneuvering to start a "wag the dog" war to try to save himself politically.

Trump's criticism of the iraq war when he was campaigning for president was obviously just his trademark: utter bullshit.

Cleary trump is a man with absolutely no moral compass, so we'll all just watch with bated breath...
i really hope we can avoid another needless bloodbath.

Trump's 'Tough Cookie' Is a Dangerous Warmonger

John Bolton's belligerence belies the president-elect's critique of reckless foreign intervention.

Donald Trump began to express doubts about the wisdom of overthrowing Saddam Hussein soon after the 2003 invasion of Iraq and by 2004 was criticizing the war as senseless and counterproductive—or, as he put it more recently, "a big, fat mistake." Hillary Clinton, by contrast, did not admit the war was a mistake until more than a decade after she voted for it.

John Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador whom Trump reportedly plans to nominate as deputy secretary of state, has Clinton beat: He still thinks the war was a good idea. Bolton's stubborn defense of a disastrous war he helped engineer, which by itself should be enough to disqualify him from any position related to foreign policy, reflects interventionist instincts that are glaringly inconsistent with Trump's critique of reckless regime change and na?ve nation building.

In a recent speech, Trump reaffirmed his "commitment to only engage the use of military forces when it's in the vital national security interest of the United States." He said "we will stop racing to topple foreign regimes…that we know nothing about," promised that his administration will instead be "guided by the lessons of history and a desire to promote stability," and declared that "the destructive cycle of intervention and chaos must finally…come to an end."


It is hard to think of a worse candidate to help implement that vision than Bolton. As undersecretary of state for arms control and international security affairs, he was largely responsible for the deception used to justify the invasion of Iraq, a stratagem that Trump has condemned in no uncertain terms.

"They lied," Trump said during a debate last February. "They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none."

Bolton is not only a liar, according to Trump himself, but a liar who does not learn from his big, fat mistakes. "I still think the decision to overthrow Saddam was correct," he told The Washington Examiner last year.

Undaunted by the results of that intervention, which according to Trump created chaotic conditions conducive to terrorism, Bolton supported overthrowing Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi, which according to Trump continued "the destructive cycle of intervention and chaos." More recently Bolton has advocated bombing Iran and argued that the U.S. should have intervened earlier and more decisively in Syria's civil war.

Rand Paul, the Kentucky senator who briefly vied with Trump for the Republican presidential nomination and who sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is dismayed by the gap between Bolton's belligerence and Trump's criticism of wanton war making. "I want Trump to pick somebody who agrees with what he said on the stump," Paul told Reason last week. "The fact that the administration would consider Bolton makes one wonder how deeply felt or deeply held those beliefs are."

In a Rare essay explaining why he will oppose any nomination of Bolton for a State Department position, Paul describes him as "a longtime member of the failed Washington elite that Trump vowed to oppose, hell-bent on repeating virtually every foreign policy mistake the U.S. has made in the last 15 years—particularly those Trump promised to avoid as president." Paul notes that Bolton "more often stood with Hillary Clinton and against what Donald Trump has advised."

Trump's puzzling fondness for Bolton, whom he calls "a tough cookie," is of a piece with his promise to "build up" a military that already receives more money than its seven closest competitors combined. "I'm a very militaristic person," Trump bragged during a debate last year, even as he criticized the Iraq war.

Trump says he aims, like Ronald Reagan, to achieve "peace through strength." But a military buildup hardly seems consistent with Trump's complaint that "we're all over the place, fighting in areas that we just shouldn't be fighting in." An outsized military budget invites outsized thinking about how to use it, and an adviser like Bolton would have plenty of ideas.
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John Bolton is a war criminal. Trump's scraping the bottom of the barrel, digging up these string-pullers from the dubya era.

I hope Bolton's tenure is as brief as everyone else's, because he's an especially shady war monger.

Kind of interesting to read this article from 2016 (between the election and trump's inauguration), and i really hope this is not trump maneuvering to start a "wag the dog" war to try to save himself politically.

Trump's criticism of the iraq war when he was campaigning for president was obviously just his trademark: utter bullshit.

Cleary trump is a man with absolutely no moral compass, so we'll all just watch with bated breath...
i really hope we can avoid another needless bloodbath.


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Sorry, this time (for once) I read your whole thread. And yet I fail to see how is Bolton a war criminal, from your post anyway. No where in your post did you list what "war crimes" Bolton has committed. Maybe dumb down your post for me....I may be too stupid to understand.
 
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