yep. it's pretty tragic that some people seem to be more offended by kids walking out of school in protest than they are by kids being carried out in body bags...
alasdair
Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread
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Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Kids have a right to express their opinions as well. Imagine living your whole life afraid someone is going to walk into school and murder a bunch of your friends/maybe you, and then it actually happens, and again and again nothing changes. What those kids are doing is brave. Let them express their opinions, don't censor them. And then voters can decide what to do.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
If their parents wanted to raise them in a "gun-free" society, they've got a plethora of 1st world countries to choose from.
Kids cannot vote. It's better they sit back and gather opinions and ideas for when they turn 18, so that they can be enthusiastic first time voters.
They mostly reflect the political opinions of their parents.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
I'm pretty sure those kids have legitimate opinions of their own that they've formulated their whole lives, which were also informed by the murder of their classmates. People don't begin to able to think rationally at 18. Should kids be seen and not heard, like in Victorian times? Being in Florida, my guess is that some of their parents probably had/have a pro-gun stance.
It just seems weird to me that people want to silence these kids. I've heard parts of speeches given by that one girl, I forget her name, and it was really inspiring, extremely coherent, beautiful, really.
When you just saw 17 of your classmates get murdered, and then see the resulting waves made that include all the up to being accused of being crisis actors, I don't think it's time to "sit back and gather opinions and ideas". I think that their entire point is that people have been sitting back for too long.
It just seems weird to me that people want to silence these kids. I've heard parts of speeches given by that one girl, I forget her name, and it was really inspiring, extremely coherent, beautiful, really.
When you just saw 17 of your classmates get murdered, and then see the resulting waves made that include all the up to being accused of being crisis actors, I don't think it's time to "sit back and gather opinions and ideas". I think that their entire point is that people have been sitting back for too long.
tathra
bluelighter
the venn diagram of vocal gun right advocates and trump supporters has a lot of crossover. yet not a word from them about trump saying he wants to take their guns away without due process. instead they still keep proclaiming that its "liberals" that want their guns, even though dear leader is the only one actually saying as bluntly and clearly as humanly possible that he wants to take their guns away.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
The only thing we don't allow here is abuse, words used in bigotry like racial slurs, and some rules like not talking about sourcing drugs. Reasoned arguments are always welcome.
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
^ Is a meme in the satire thread with "big" in it seen as racist as there have been infractions for same word in other areas.
?it doesn't bother me, it is a little confusing to see inconsistency in this regard across the board,
?it doesn't bother me, it is a little confusing to see inconsistency in this regard across the board,
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
I'm sure context and intent plays a role too. Being a meme thread, I'd expert it to be more relaxed. Like for example, I use the word retard a lot. That's just how I talk. Now id get very pissed if I got in trouble for that because the way I use it is quite obviously not intended to be offensive or hurtful or even in any way related to the disabled. In all honesty I'm not even thinking of the disabled when I use it and it only crosses my mind cause it came up recently.
But conversely, if someone really did use the word retard where the context suggested it really was used in reference to the handycapped. I'd expect the moderators to take action.
Same word, different context, different intent, different response. Seems right to me.
But conversely, if someone really did use the word retard where the context suggested it really was used in reference to the handycapped. I'd expect the moderators to take action.
Same word, different context, different intent, different response. Seems right to me.
I fully intend to get "flamed" for my comments, but I feel the American constitution to be totally, absolutely and completely irrelevant when applied to the present day. It's just so far from not being the same fucking thing that it is aggravating when Americans, who are characterized practically by their lack of True, historical knowledge debate the idea of why arms are right or wrong. This is not an attack against anyone personally, but in general, the average American, has utterly, not fucking clue what they're even attempting to conceive around these historical events.
Bullet points -> You could fire one, wildly inaccurate shot every few seconds from your gun. It was not possible at that point, in any way, for a soldier to single-handedly murder this many people in open combat. It would not have been possible. He would fire one shot, typically, before avec des ba?onnettes appos?es until their fighting power was exhausted.
There is no reason for someone to so easily be able to murder so many people if there is any way we can stop it. Let's face it, we couldn't stop people from drinking. It was too easy to produce Alcohol. I can make Alcohol in my pillow case at home. Automatic weaponry? We have an ethical responsibility to not let this shit happen. We were built upon tenets of the Age of Reason. It's really sad in retrospect. We were just another "dream" that couldn't have every been real in the way we believed.
Bullet points -> You could fire one, wildly inaccurate shot every few seconds from your gun. It was not possible at that point, in any way, for a soldier to single-handedly murder this many people in open combat. It would not have been possible. He would fire one shot, typically, before avec des ba?onnettes appos?es until their fighting power was exhausted.
There is no reason for someone to so easily be able to murder so many people if there is any way we can stop it. Let's face it, we couldn't stop people from drinking. It was too easy to produce Alcohol. I can make Alcohol in my pillow case at home. Automatic weaponry? We have an ethical responsibility to not let this shit happen. We were built upon tenets of the Age of Reason. It's really sad in retrospect. We were just another "dream" that couldn't have every been real in the way we believed.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
You’re right. Rational thinking is often absent in 18 year olds.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
As a gun rights advocate, I didn’t vote for Trump.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
The problem I have with this argument is that I don't care how many guns you have, a citizen's militia isn't gonna be able to do jack shit against the US military, or any powerful country's military. We're at their mercy either way.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
As something close to a gun rights activist (where I sit politically seems to depend on the audience but on bluelight I seem to be more arguing against gun control than not) . I despise trump and no amount of refusing to implement bad gun controls gonna change that.
I disagree. I mean, I agree in the sense that I think the whole "we need guns to defend against government tyranny" thing is a joke. But I disagree in the sense that guerilla tactics have historically been very successful against conventional militaries like the US.
swilow
Bluelight Crew
The US military is very drone oriented now and drones are perfect tools to fight against guerilla warfare. I think the 'armed populace against tyranny' argument is the weakest argument for gun rights.
^ right? i've said it before - in the past few years the government lied about weapons of mass destruction to take the country to war, carried out the most widespread assault on personal privacy in the form of warrant less wire-tapping and the 'patriot' act, handed over millions of dollars of public money to the ceos and others at banks who broke the law and plunged the country into a massive debt crisis. the list goes on.
what's it actually going to take for all you gun-totin' 'patriots' to actually do something about this tyranny? or are you all talk and no action?
alasdair
what's it actually going to take for all you gun-totin' 'patriots' to actually do something about this tyranny? or are you all talk and no action?
alasdair
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not at all.
should i add you to the list of people who - deliberately or otherwise - misunderstand or choose to mischaracterize my position on guns?
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zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
That would be a good idea.
Yes, indeed it would.
With rights come responsibilities and the lack of taking responsibility for the guns that are clutched on to like a baby with its dummy is pretty evident.
Its like they are some sort of symbol for being free to have one at all costs without acknowledging the real need to have one in the first place.
Everyone else has one therefore I need one to protect myself against everyone else.
A post earlier on mentioned the cops who didnt do their job and refused to go in and take out the shooter.
They should be fired and perhaps punished further as that gross inaction and cowardice showed that even being properly trained and having back up plus also thrir own guns shows that even having a gun its not being used for what its for.
The right to have a gun means therefore you have a right to use it in a crazy deadly way if you want, be trained to protect people from crazies but the right to not bother and kids dont have the freedom to assume they will be alive at the end of the school day.
Gun control would work. It bloody well would and those who think they are losing freedom by having guns taken away- tough titties.
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zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
Just to clarify your personal stance, what exactly is your stance? I understand you are pro gun from a post I read a while ago.
What about the broad range of guns and modifications availsble and what seems to be a lack of regulation or knowing whats even out there in public?
What are your thoughts on a compulsory register, license, proper training and also compulsory gun safes to remove access by kids/psychos/anyone but the gun owner?