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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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Morninggloryseed said:
For me...more bureaucracy...
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i stopped here because i was laughing so much :)

depending on who you choose to believe, u.s. healthcare admin costs around $400B. a report by, among others harvard medical school, found that universal health insurance could save about $285B of that - or approximately $7000 for each of 40M uninsured americans. hms in conjunction with the canadian institute for health information compared admin costs in the u.s. to canada and found that canada spent about $300 per capita on healthcare admin compared to about $1000 in the u.s.

the u.s. spends enough money on healthcare to provide every single citizen with great healthcare but it doesn't happen. it's obvious - and tragic - why.

alasdair
 
This is typical of dirtbags like trump.
He's in deep shit politically and legally (oh, and his wife knows he's been fucking porn stars without protection behind her back).

So how does the coward react? Some shit about killing drug dealers - like the cowardly little fascist he is.
I hope he dies in jail, where he belongs. He's fucking scum.
 
Trump emulating "tough" world figures like Putin, Xi, and Duterte...it seemed like left-wing hyperbole before his inauguration. Now it's reality.
 
Yep.

The irony being, of course, that trump allegedly launders money for drug traffickers. Not the street dealers he's talking about, either.
Scumbag.

Also, he's made a big song and dance about immigration, whilst allegedly laundering money for people smugglers.

I guess the more he "cracks down" on drugs and immigration, the more they stand to profit, right?
Crooked to the fucking core.
 
What's worse-- Democrats still haven't managed to find their balls. Where is the fucking opposition?
 
mal3volent said:
Trump emulating "tough" world figures like Putin, Xi, and Duterte...it seemed like left-wing hyperbole before his inauguration. Now it's reality.
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Explain. You realize that just because he says things at rallys and tweets....that does not become law. Sometimes it is helpful to remind people the POTUS does not make law...he just signs the bills that reach his desk. He can bearly veto with the slim margins Republicans have.

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What's worse-- Democrats still haven't managed to find their balls. Where is the fucking opposition?
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How do you mean? I am unaware of any legislation Democrats signed on to. They wouldn't even grant 1.8 million illegal immigrants amnesty because that would have given him a "win."
 
Morninggloryseed said:
Explain. You realize that just because he says things at rallys and tweets....that does not become law. Sometimes it is helpful to remind people the POTUS does not make law...he just signs the bills that reach his desk. He can bearly veto with the slim margins Republicans have.
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You realize that his emulation of these authoritarian leaders and the way he praises them among his base is his way of priming and conditioning them. He says kill drug dealers. His base cheers. Xi makes himself president for life. Trump thinks that is just a-ok. What's the big deal?

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How do you mean? I am unaware of any legislation Democrats signed on to. They wouldn't even grant 1.8 million illegal immigrants amnesty because that would have given him a "win."
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I'm not talking about that petty shit. I'm talking about a vocal minority of Democrats in Washington who should be yelling from the rooftops. Calling out Trump for what he is without mincing words. They need to go back to their districts and speak to people. Get them riled up and let them know they are doing everything they can to make sure we get that orange asshole out when the time comes.
 
It boggles my mind how anyone can support the current president and his regime and the despicable rot that has taken over the Republican party (not all of them of course) (and lots of the Democrats too by the way, I'm not trying to be some left wing hypocrite here). I don't like Hillary either, or very many politicians at all, but how can you not see what's going on with Trump and his people right now? How can you not see this slow, inexorable push towards putting all the power in the hands of the ultra-wealthy that's been happening since Reagan? They're trying to create a peasant working class again. Since the 80s the amount of buying power and ability to accumulate wealth of the middle class has been steadily dropping. This isn't an accident and it didn't have to be this way. There are forces trying to make this happen and Trump is right there on the forefront of it. It truly disturbs me that so many people, who are being hurt the most by these policies, actually support these fucking sociopathic reptiles.

It's also blatantly obvious if you do any research about it or are paying attention to anything at all that Trump and company are trying to consolidate the media and control it. Every day he's working on turning the people against the free media, making the media the enemy... oh, except Fox News, they're cool, listen to them. And behind the scenes (but you can easily look this up), they repealed media anti-trust laws and Sinclair group, who owns Fox, is buying up local news stations across the country. This is fascism red flag #1, turning the people against free media and forming a single news conglomerate controlled by the ruling party which becomes the single source of information. This is scary stuff, and I don't understand how anyone can support a group who is doing this... and they are doing it, it's a fact, it's public record, you can look this stuff up. But supporters are like, oh hey, give the guy a break, he just says stuff. Yeah, he does say stuff. Almost every day he says stuff that aims to turn people against the mainstream media. Every day he says stuff that tries to pit the world against us. Every day he says stuff that slowly desensitizes us to the absurdity of what is going on. It's such a weak argument to dispel what he's saying that it's not even an argument. yeah, you're right, he does "say stuff". That's the problem.

Read the tax bill. The tax cuts to the lower income brackets are being slowly phased out over 10 years. The fact that you are receiving more money this year (or rather not having as much taken out - yeah I am seeing more money too) is an apparently successful hoodwink. The whole thing is a blatant act of stealing from the poor and middle-class to give the wealthy even more money. And we finally get the first steps made towards health coverage being affordable for everyone (since the average person buying single-payer health insurance simply can't even come close to affording it these days), and they're trying to get rid of that too. It's absurd, and disgusting. And we have like a third of the country (yeah his approval rating is down to about a third, amazing it's even that much) still supporting these crooks. They're practically laughing in our faces it's gotten so blatant. It's willful blindness, or else it's the wealthy who are being directly benefited acting like sociopaths, saying whatever, it helps me so I support it.
 
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I don't want to be seen as defending comments relating to drug dealers as I believe in full leglislation. I will only note that every POTUS will say things someone won't like like. I felt the last POTUS did not represent my country in a way I saw fit. The last guy issued executive orders that were unconstitutional and we are still working that out.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/daca-unconstitutional-obama-admitted

Also, Trump did not actually say what you claim he did. Nowhere in this USA today article does it quote him for saying he wishes the US had the death penalty for drug dealers.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...h-penalty-drug-dealers-count-trump/414535002/

Again, I don't want to be seen as anything but a proponent of full legalization. I just don't think people will ever be used to this POTUS.

The idea he wants to be Czar and not POTUS...I think you are falling for Russian propaganda.
 
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Also, the narrative that keeps trying to compare this president/administration to previous ones or the alternatives (the whole "but Hillary is a crook!" or "but Obama did this and that") is a distraction too. Yeah neither of them is/was/would have been perfect. But that has nothing to do with the current president and administration and what they're doing.
 
I agree Xor on the other hand, it helps to have perspective. Only for a few months after 9/11 did America overwhelmingly support the POTUS. Normally, there will be a divide and every POTUS will have detractors, which is nothing new.

I wish those detractors would simply look forward to the next selection to vote him away. Calls for his head are just...it's something.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
Also, Trump did not actually say what you claim he did. Nowhere in this USA today article does it quote him for saying he wishes the US had the death penalty for drug dealers.
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i think you have your head in the sand, mgs.

At Pennsylvania rally, Trump again calls for the death penalty for drug dealers

Trump said that allowing prosecutors to seek the death penalty for drug dealers — an idea he said he got from Chinese President Xi Jinping — is “a discussion we have to start thinking about. I don’t know if this country’s ready for it.”

“Do you think the drug dealers who kill thousands of people during their lifetime, do you think they care who’s on a blue-ribbon committee?” Trump asked. “The only way to solve the drug problem is through toughness. When you catch a drug dealer, you’ve got to put him away for a long time.”

It was not the first time Trump had suggested executing drug dealers. Earlier this month, he described it as a way to fight the opioid epidemic. And on Friday, The Washington Post reported that the Trump administration was considering policy changes to allow prosecutors to seek the death penalty.
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alasdair
 
Just reading the quote you provided...I, uh, I am not seeing that. He suggested "puttimg them away a long time." And to be clear, I don't agree with him; we just need more pharmacists and to start teaching people from a young age how to get high safely and privately.

For the sake of argument, let's assume he really feels that way.....so what?

Do you forsee Trump releasing a militia to start extra judicial killings? I know you know that is impossible.

He seems to always be the sort to say incendiary words. It appears to be compulsive.
 
THANK FUCKING GOD, this would have been hillary all over again.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...e-bid-dna-test-says-heritage-part-who-am.html

Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Sunday ruled out a 2020 presidential run and taking a DNA test to prove Native American ancestry -- an issue that has nagged her Senate campaigns and would almost certainly create problems in a White House bid.

“I’m not running for president,” Warren, a champion of the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, told “Fox News Sunday.”
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People don't care about transgender bathrooms, Black lives matter etc. Another identity politics candidate like warren wouldve handed it to trump once again.

I'm not sure who will be best for the dems in 2020, but I am beyond relieve warren is out, so we don't have to listen to her entire campaign focused on how trump is sexist and racist rather than issues affecting citizens
 
Although her voice always makes it always seems like she is yelling at me, I enjoyed her interview. To be clear, I did not hear Warren rule out 2020, just that her focus is on 2018.
 
Xorkoth said:
It boggles my mind how anyone can support the current president and his regime and the despicable rot that has taken over the Republican party (not all of them of course) (and lots of the Democrats too by the way, I'm not trying to be some left wing hypocrite here). I don't like Hillary either, or very many politicians at all, but how can you not see what's going on with Trump and his people right now? How can you not see this slow, inexorable push towards putting all the power in the hands of the ultra-wealthy that's been happening since Reagan? They're trying to create a peasant working class again.


Read the tax bill. The tax cuts to the lower income brackets are being slowly phased out over 10 years. The fact that you are receiving more money this year (or rather not having as much taken out - yeah I am seeing more money too) is an apparently successful hoodwink. The whole thing is a blatant act of stealing from the poor and middle-class to give the wealthy even more money. And we finally get the first steps made towards health coverage being affordable for everyone (since the average person buying single-payer health insurance simply can't even come close to affording it these days), and they're trying to get rid of that too. It's absurd, and disgusting. And we have like a third of the country (yeah his approval rating is down to about a third, amazing it's even that much) still supporting these crooks. They're practically laughing in our faces it's gotten so blatant. It's willful blindness, or else it's the wealthy who are being directly benefited acting like sociopaths, saying whatever, it helps me so I support it.
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Missed this earlier.

Trump's approvals are higher than Obama's were at the same time.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-higher-823037


President Donald Trump’s approval rating is now higher than former President Barack Obama’s at this point in his presidency, according to the results of a daily poll released Tuesday.

As of Tuesday, 50 percent of likely voters in the United States approved of Trump’s job performance, according to the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. On this date during year two of Obama’s first term, 43 percent of likely voters approved of how the president was performing, the same poll found.

The Rasmussen poll, which surveys 500 likely voters by telephone, tends to give Trump higher approval ratings than other polls and has long been more favorable to Republicans.
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Maybe your loss to understand Republicans voters vs mine to understand Democratic supporters is like folks who prefer the Beatles over the Rolling Stones. Whatever your preference, it's all good music from UK.

It works both ways and we are all Americans, Allah bless us all! Democrats want the government to control more (and more, and more) money, and apperently believe DC spends it better than I can.

From my understanding, Republicans trust regular Americans to control more of their money and spend it as they see fit. As best I can tell, they believe people of all incomes should keep as much of their own money as possible. Just a different POV

Yes, I am familiar with the bill. I wish they were permanent and remember congress can vote to keep them in place a decade from now. It was not a perfect bill, they rarely are.

Me, I am a flat sales tax sorta guy. Down with IRS!
 
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