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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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tathra said:
both parties get a copy of the final version, with all signatures. a signature is a written acknowledgement that the party agrees to the terms outlined in the contract, no signature means they don't agree and are not bound by the contract.

as for why it matters, I've heard her next project is to be titled "in the eye of the storm, starring ronald pump" ;)
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unless there is an agreement for counterpart signatories to be held by some kind of neutral escrow deal, this is correct.
 
DJ Saint-Hubert said:
isn't the debt a concern if you're an asshat like Trump and treat every other country like shit excluding mother Russia and nobody wants to lend you moneys anymore? lol
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Only if that were a plausible outcome.

Also, that's a question about borrowing more money. Obviously the country shouldn't just keep borrowing more and more money forever. I'm not saying that. Just that the current situation isn't as bad as people imagine. And that a lot of it is because people keep acting like a country borrowing money is exactly like a person borrowing money.
 
debt based economies are unsustainable in the long term. like capitalism in general they require infinite growth, and the more owed the more growth is required to sustain it. a little bit of debt, especially on a national scale, is fine but we're well beyond the point of acceptable or sustainable.
 
tathra said:
debt based economies are unsustainable in the long term. like capitalism in general they require infinite growth, and the more owed the more growth is required to sustain it. a little bit of debt, especially on a national scale, is fine but we're well beyond the point of acceptable or sustainable.
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Infinite growth is only impossible if you base it off finite resources. ;)
 
JessFR said:
Infinite growth is only impossible if you base it off finite resources. ;)
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so long as we're stuck on this planet, resources are finite, and all celestial objects are common, public property, though space law will likely become more developed once it becomes easier and common to leave the gravity well we're currently stuck in.

Trajal said:
I'm so upset my French thingy didn't work. I used the right accents on the letters and everything. :( #gutted
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Unicode support is kinda broke. its a known problem.
 
tathra said:
so long as we're stuck on this planet, resources are finite, and all celestial objects are common, public property, though space law will likely become more developed once it becomes easier and common to leave the gravity well we're currently stuck in.
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Real resources are finite. But imaginary ones aren't. :)

Yes, we can't have infinite growth where that growth is tied to real finite resources. But that doesn't make infinite economic growth impossible. Just infinite economic growth tied to the consumption of finite resources.
 
tathra said:
we're well beyond the point of acceptable or sustainable.
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maybe if the repo man came to take away the Jefferson monument, or take away Trump's desk, etc. people would have a visual example of what it really means to default on a debt.

DC is still there, all the failures of congress (they deserve a lower collective approval rating than Trump) are still alive and well, I mean, it's incredibly easy for people to be in denial about the national debt. They see US currency and think that the gov't had to issue it out of its own personal wealth and if the US gov't didn't have money, none of us would, either, because they think the US gov't to be like their parents, etc. - a very misleading, and dangerous thought.

Perhaps we need to solve the nat'l debt by issuing everyone their fair share of it (I believe it would be in the ball park of $50,000 USD for all 360,000,000 US citizens).

Just did the math; just shy of $58,000 USD.
 
tathra said:
except for how republicans constantly go on about needing to reduce the deficit.... except when they're in power and yet again taking it to record highs.
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That's why I don't feel too bad that Paul got attacked.

You say one thing, and do another, and eventually someone's going to want your lying ass taken out.

Corker is the worst; holding out for tax cuts that benefited land owners like himself.
 
I love my tax cut. It looks even bigger on my pay check than I thought. Together with my free obamacare and career change for this year, things are really turning around for me financially. There are jobs everywhere!
 
Totally serious on all accounts. That I signed up for Obama care for free when my work insurance (that I paid for) went up 30% this year is a mindfuck. I had to cut back to one hour under full time to qualify but the $400 free a month on taxpayers (not me, he lowered my rate BIGTIME) evens it all out. I'm making a career change either way this year. Jobs are everywhere. Thanks trumpy bear.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qv8RSreIM
 
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More evidence of trump's habitual dishonesty:

Stormy Daniels: White House seems to confirm Trump contract with porn star

The president?s press secretary mysteriously claimed Trump won a case ?in arbitration? against adult film actor who is suing him.

The president?s press secretary mysteriously claimed Trump won a case ?in arbitration? against adult film actor who is suing him

The White House has made a mysterious claim that Donald Trump won a case ?in arbitration? against a pornographic film actor who alleges that she had sex with him a decade ago.

Press secretary Sarah Sanders? surprise assertion appears to confirm that a contract existed between Trump and Stormy Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford.

?This case has already been won in arbitration and anything beyond that, I would refer you to the president?s outside counsel,? said Sanders, who insisted that Trump denies Daniels? allegations.

At Wednesday?s press briefing she was pressed further on who won the arbitration and when. The spokeswoman replied gnomically: ?By the president?s personal attorneys and for details on that I would refer you to them.

?I can share that the arbitration was won in the president?s favour, and I would refer you to the president?s outside counsel on any details beyond that.?

The disclosure implies that arbitration was used as a simpler, less costly alternative to litigation.

Soon after the briefing, Daniels? lawyer, Michael Avenatti, reportedly dismissed Sanders? claim. Jim Rutenberg, media columnist at the New York Times, tweeted: ?Stormy Daniels lawyer, @MichaelAvenatti responds to me re Sanders? statement Trump won at arbitration: ?yeah and he also won the popular vote.??

On Tuesday Daniels filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles against Trump, arguing that his longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen tried ?to silence Ms Clifford through the use of an improper and procedurally defective arbitration proceeding hidden from public view?.

Daniels contends that a non-disclosure agreement she signed days before the 2016 presidential election, which blocked her from discussing the alleged sexual encounters, is ?null and void and of no consequence? because Trump did not personally sign it.

Cohen has said he paid the actress $130,000 out of his own pocket as part of the agreement. He has also said that ?neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly?.

Sanders was asked repeatedly about whether Trump had knowledge of the payment by Cohen. She said: ?I?ve had conversations with the president about this. And, as I outlined earlier, that this case has already been won in arbitration and that there was no knowledge of any payments from the president, and he?s denied all of these allegations.?

Meanwhile Avenatti said on television on Wednesday that Daniels wants ?to set the record straight?. He told NBC there was ?no question? Trump knew about the agreement, though he did not offer any proof.

Avenatti said Daniels was not looking to profit from her story. But he told CBS: ?I don?t know whether she?s going to ultimately seek payment or not.?

Daniels alleges that she began the ?intimate relationship? with Trump in 2006 and that it continued ?well into the year 2007?, according to the lawsuit. She said it included encounters in Lake Tahoe, Nevada, and Beverly Hills, California. Trump married Melania Trump, now the first lady, in 2005.
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Its not like tax payers footed the bill like with our congress. Who cares about ^^^^ that?

Also, I didnt read your post. Tramp denies the affair. What are you, some kind of puritan!
 
Morninggloryseed said:
Totally serious on all accounts. That I signed up for Obama care for free when my work insurance (that I paid for) went up 30% this year is a mindfuck. I had to cut back to one hour under full time to qualify but the $400 free a month on taxpayers (not me, he lowered my rate BIGTIME) evens it all out. I'm making a career change either way this year. Jobs are everywhere. Thanks trumpy bear.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qv8RSreIM
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You're thanking Trump for Obama care....

really? I thought your kind disliked Obama care... :?
 
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