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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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JahSEEuS said:
If you drink or heroin or any other substance that can cause serious health issues then yes, it should be included into the cost of your health Care.
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Shouldn't your diet then effect your healthcare costs then? If you eat Mac D's seven days a week for dinner, shouldn't that be equivalent to say, someone who drinks a few beers each night?
 
How do we presume to keep track of/measure drug usage/poor dietary choices then? Spying on all citizens a-la 1984? Placing chips inside them to measure things? Having doctors ask patients to drug test every visit?
 
Ultimately, self-sovereignty and then freedom should be the guiding principals, and preventative care should be prioritized over palliative, but health insurance is a very poor substitute for a proper healthcare system, which would make this kind of discussion irrelevant.
 
tathra said:
Ultimately, self-sovereignty and then freedom should be the guiding principals, and preventative care should be prioritized over palliative, but health insurance is a very poor substitute for a proper healthcare system, which would make this kind of discussion irrelevant.
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I agree, I just wanted to know what Jah thought, since he posited that drug use/burger consumption should result in higher fees.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
he knows this so golfing and telling blantant lies mean nothing to anyone except the ppl that already hate him.
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Since his inauguration, taxpayers have paid almost $50 million in total for Trump's 91 golf trips so far.

Every time Trump flies to his New Jersey golf club, it costs taxpayers more than $15,000 an hour

It's amazing to me that people have no ethical problem with Trump and family making money off the presidency and how much it costs the taxpayers. :\

i'm guessing a second term when the dems fuck up again and trump plays on peoples racism to gain victory once again. I think lots of people underestimate the power of racism and how common it is in the populace.
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Slightly more than half of the most savvy political minds I know agree that Trump will get a second term if he runs. Bets are he will run.

Main argument for Trump is incumbency. It's a strong one.

His advanced age, his shrinking base and the fact that his support is not swaying any elections bodes ill for him.

I think the Mueller/Russia investigation is going to take him down one way or another. Hopefully as a disgrace to the office.

We'll see.
 
^ it is amazing. They don't care about anything he does as long as he throws them a bone every few weeks (bone being a veild or explicit racists attack on a minority group).

he could set a bonfire on the whitehouse lawn with 100$ bills of tax payer money and then make a comment on twitter about mexicans or muslims or a veiled jab at blacks...and its all good! incredible how effective it is.

on the genius thing he might actually be some sort of political genius that he saw how to harness peoples racism and dissapointment with their lives/jobs/success and blame it on immigrants.

he used this to win.

stable genius? no evil genius? maybe. although i wouldn't call it genius he just tried the only thing that might work because he could never beat politicians by acting like one...it sure as shit worked for him though.


The sad thing is that he's the type of guy who wants to be a celeb and have everyone love him in addition to the power. He couldn't pull things off by being an accomplished smart business man turned president that everyone loves so he took the low road to power instead
 
cduggles said:
Since his inauguration, taxpayers have paid almost $50 million in total for Trump's 91 golf trips so far.

Every time Trump flies to his New Jersey golf club, it costs taxpayers more than $15,000 an hour

It's amazing to me that people have no ethical problem with Trump and family making money off the presidency and how much it costs the taxpayers. :\



Slightly more than half of the most savvy political minds I know agree that Trump will get a second term if he runs. Bets are he will run.

Main argument for Trump is incumbency. It's a strong one.

His advanced age, his shrinking base and the fact that his support is not swaying any elections bodes ill for him.

I think the Mueller/Russia investigation is going to take him down one way or another. Hopefully as a disgrace to the office.

We'll see.
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Slightly more than half think he'd get a second term?

So, slightly under half think he wont? In other words, what they think reflects how the population votes. Unless I'm missing something that doesn't sound very informative.

But then, I hate trump, but barring impeachment or not running or something equally unusual, I also think he could well win again if he runs for a second term. Right now anyway.

I just don't see that anything significant has changed that would make it particularly less likely. I don't see why he couldn't win for the same reasons he did last time.
 
JessFR, the idea that this man could win reelection sickens me. He's unfit to be a dog walker in the White House. I know there was outside manipulation of the election that favored him, but very few Americans actually seem to care about the issue.

I'm just agreeing with them that incumbency is a huge factor in winning. Which Democrat could run right now and win? Maybe Biden.

Anyway, as you know, due to the electoral college, it doesn't matter how badly Trump does with the popular vote.
We'll see how midterms go. The Republicans expect to lose the House, but if they lose the Senate, it's going to be bad. Those races will be well-funded, candidates vetted to avoid another Roy Moore fiasco, and there's already a lot of research going on to see if Trump's endorsements helps or not. The man might like holding his rallies, but he's been repeatedly humiliated by endorsing losing candidates. We'll see how well megadonors can control him and how much he hates losing. He energizes his base, but he also energized people who loathe him to actually vote.

The wildcard is the Mueller investigation. Bannon must know something if he (inappropriately) invoked executive privilege, which the White House then backed up. Manafort's trial will be heavily covered and Mueller is very likely to issue new charges before it happens (the special prosecutor is not compelled to list all charges in the initial subpoena). Manafort is going down and despite what Trump tweets, the images of Manafort being trotted in and out of court will be damaging. Effect unknown. But Republicans have lost a lot of elections they should have won already (see Wisconsin, huge win for Democrats).

Politics is perception. Whether I like it or not, Trump is still playing offense. About half of these people predicted he would win, btw. Let's just say a lot of crow was eaten when they were right. They saw the groundswell of people who rightly, in my view, are disappointed in the government. They just sent the wrong guy to do anything about it.

Oh yeah, the US government shut down. A one party shutdown, as in Republicans control everything, looks horrible for the GOP and Trump.

I guess government employees should all dip into their "government shutdown rainy day" fund?

A continuing resolution to fund the government is known as a "crap sandwich" because typically both parties have to eat something. I can't believe they didn't eat one. The Democrats grew a spine. Who knew?
 
Why can't people just keep these negative opinions about our President to themselves? With every president we've ever had, all people do is talk negative shit. No matter who ended up being president, all people would do is talk, & be NEGATIVE! I am so SICK of reading and hearing all this negative BULLSHIT!! And there is no way to get away from it. You can change the channel and there it is, go to a different site and there it is. Why don't people just realize and accept the fact that President Trump is our president! I'm very grateful for this. I voted for this man and I'm not ashamed to admit it! Can anyone imagine what it would be like if Hilary was president? I don't even want to think about that. How about this, if we can't say something nice about someone, then let's not say anything at all?
 
bunny99 said:
Why can't people just keep these negative opinions about our President to themselves? With every president we've ever had, all people do is talk negative shit. No matter who ended up being president, all people would do is talk, & be NEGATIVE! I am so SICK of reading and hearing all this negative BULLSHIT!! And there is no way to get away from it. You can change the channel and there it is, go to a different site and there it is. Why don't people just realize and accept the fact that President Trump is our president! I'm very grateful for this. I voted for this man and I'm not ashamed to admit it! Can anyone imagine what it would be like if Hilary was president? I don't even want to think about that. How about this, if we can't say something nice about someone, then let's not say anything at all?
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Discussing politics is a pretty major part of any democratic society.
Trump's not a normal president - his administration is chaotic and incredibly divisive.

I'm one of his detractors, and i consider him dangerous, but get some consolation from his political ineptitude.

Isn't that a strange thing to say about a president; his inability to lead a government is one of his strong points?

Given his rhetoric, i think he would happily turn the united states into some jim crow dictatorship. Fortunately, he seems to be rather incompetent.
He's not had many successes as president - and the headlines are often focused on his behaviour, because he uses outrage as a distraction.

"If we can't say something nice about someone, then let's not say anything at all?"

Sorry man, democracy doesnt work like that.
If some oligarch takes over the country, dismantles environmental protection laws, sabotages people's healthcare, scapegoats a range of different ethnic groups and transgender people, attacks freedom of the press and continually lies to the people about everything, it would be pretty weird not to criticise him.

There are a lot of reasons people hate trump. But fighting him in an effort to save democracy isn't "negative" - but i think getting caught up in his bullshit; his dishonesty and his scapegoating - is pretty negative.
 
Its pretty accurate that there is no escape from him in any capacity.

Theres been a lot of US presidents and they've always appeared in media onviously but usually in a formal capacity which doesnt keep constant bombardment of attention on that one person but is about whats going on at the time.


George Bush was junior grabbed headlines for his dumb speeches and faux pas but not to the extent now.


Its funny how Ttump is well known fir his oersona and stupid stuff he says is a massive suprise every time. But hes also a celebrity so thats just madevit worse.

Hell be voted in again for more entertainment rather than his job performance unless someone even more famous gets voted in.

Common sense could prevail and an jnknown perso. Thats experienced could eventually come back into power but not going to hold my breath.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I agree, I just wanted to know what Jah thought, since he posited that drug use/burger consumption should result in higher fees.
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I think that if you test positive for certain drugs or show up in the ER with an OD or are obese (like 33% of Americans, myself being right on the border technically speaking).
 
cduggles said:
So if Secretary Clinton had become President would have kept your opinions to yourself? Somehow I doubt it. ;)
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I'll just come out and say it.

It's total absolute crap. The very fact he even mentioned Clinton when it wasn't even relevant to his point kinda shows he does the same thing.

I will say this though. I am sick of hearing trump come up wherever I go. We have threads like this one where we discuss trump. And yes, there are times when other subjects can have Trump come up organically. But I see it happen all the time now where threads and subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump or the Presidency still have someone find an excuse to bring the subject up. Cause the truth is they're ALWAYS thinking about it and bring it into every discussion. I don't even really care if what they have to say is positive or negative. I just don't want to see Trump everywhere I go.

But.. Since this thread IS the place to talk about it, I feel like saying that I'm noticing an increasing disconnect between the dream world of Trump supporters and the real world.

In the dream world, he has already had countless great successes. In the real world however we are faced with the prospect of the first government shutdown in history when one party controlled both congress and the white house.

There was a president who had a similar situation happen, Jimmy Carter. But this was before it was determined that ignoring the problem of no money wasn't in fact legally justified.
 
Nice round up.

bunny99 said:
Why can't people just keep these negative opinions about our President to themselves?
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Because he is a dangerous monster who represents much of what is awful in current politics?

With every president we've ever had, all people do is talk negative shit. No matter who ended up being president, all people would do is talk, & be NEGATIVE! I am so SICK of reading and hearing all this negative BULLSHIT!! And there is no way to get away from it. You can change the channel and there it is, go to a different site and there it is. Why don't people just realize and accept the fact that President Trump is our president!
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Why should people accept that this corrupt monster is the guy with his fingers on the button?

Anyway, he's not my president anyway, thank fuck.

How about this, if we can't say something nice about someone, then let's not say anything at all?
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Yes, well that might work in the playground but not on the stage of world politics. I find it laughable that you are outraged that poeple aren't saying "nice" things about the President. "He's a very naughty nuclear armed boy isn't he?" just doesn't relay the gravity of the situation.
 
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