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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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alasdairm said:
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this is a common theme - he berates somebody for doing something then does it himself. his own words come back to bite him time after time after time.

alasdair
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And yet both politicians and voters alike are so tribalized that nothing he does no matter how obvious of a lie matters...no matter how absurd or dangerous it is...nothing happens.

"He could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and they would still support him"

We are stuck....he could stomps on a baby every morning and upload it to Twitter and nothing would happen.
 
True, Hillary came to the rescue of a child trafficker in Haiti, and nobody seems to care.

What's the worst thing Trump has done so far?
 
LiquidMethod said:
True, Hillary came to the rescue of a child trafficker in Haiti, and nobody seems to care.

What's the worst thing Trump has done so far?
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fired a cop investigating him for high crimes I would think would be the worst thing. I would love to fire the cops next time they pull me over and want to search my car that is loaded with drugs
 
LucidSDreamr said:
fired a cop investigating him for high crimes I would think would be the worst thing. I would love to fire the cops next time they pull me over and want to search my car that is loaded with drugs
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That is not exactly what happened though. That cop not only deserved to be fired he should be charged with serious crimes and corruption. His links to the Clintons go back a long time when he pardoned international criminal Marc Rich as a favor to Bill Clinton. Then when Hillary got caught violating the Espionage Act, Comey decided that he would break protocol and decide not to recommend charges to the DOJ since he said he could not find intent to commit crimes. So not only is he so incompetent that he says he could not find obvious intent, it was not even his call to make. His job is to provide the evidence to the DOJ and they handle it from there (maybe the head of DOJ at the time Lynch's secret tarmac meeting with an ex-Pres and husband of a suspect under investigation was related). Comey wrote an exoneration letter before conducting interviews with Clinton and nothing ever came of the investigation even though foreign hackers (including Russians) were definitely able to steal above top secret intelligence from Clinton's unsecured, private, illegal and intentionally-setup server.

Then Comey decides to join the coup against a democratically-elected president and actually leaks classified information to the media. Comey also stated under oath that the FBI investigation would continue fine without him at the helm of the FBI, so there goes that theory that Trump fired Comey to end the Russia investigation. There was a myriad of other reasons to fire him. In fact Comey is in big trouble relating to the FISA warrants against the Trump team. While Comey was colluding with the Obama admin to wiretap Trump, Comey never once informed Congress of the ongoing investigation. This is VERY suspicious and again, was a mandatory duty of someone in his position. Long story short Comey should've been fired a long time ago.

So if that's the worst thing Trump has done, what's the second?
 
if u watch the source material the website alludes to, wolff also states that while he did not formally interview cabinet members and the POTUS. he did have conversations with them where they were not aware of the subject matter being destined for a book.

although i'm not surprised that piece of information was left out by a website which is
The Gateway Pundit, a right-wing, far-right, pro-Trump website. It was founded after the United States presidential election in 2004, according to its founder Jim Hoft, to "speak the truth" and to "expose the wickedness of the left"
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LiquidMethod said:
That is not exactly what happened though. That cop not only deserved to be fired he should be charged with serious crimes and corruption. His links to the Clintons go back a long time when he pardoned international criminal Marc Rich as a favor to Bill Clinton. Then when Hillary got caught violating the Espionage Act, Comey decided that he would break protocol and decide not to recommend charges to the DOJ since he said he could not find intent to commit crimes. So not only is he so incompetent that he says he could not find obvious intent, it was not even his call to make. His job is to provide the evidence to the DOJ and they handle it from there (maybe the head of DOJ at the time Lynch's secret tarmac meeting with an ex-Pres and husband of a suspect under investigation was related). Comey wrote an exoneration letter before conducting interviews with Clinton and nothing ever came of the investigation even though foreign hackers (including Russians) were definitely able to steal above top secret intelligence from Clinton's unsecured, private, illegal and intentionally-setup server.

Then Comey decides to join the coup against a democratically-elected president and actually leaks classified information to the media. Comey also stated under oath that the FBI investigation would continue fine without him at the helm of the FBI, so there goes that theory that Trump fired Comey to end the Russia investigation. There was a myriad of other reasons to fire him. In fact Comey is in big trouble relating to the FISA warrants against the Trump team. While Comey was colluding with the Obama admin to wiretap Trump, Comey never once informed Congress of the ongoing investigation. This is VERY suspicious and again, was a mandatory duty of someone in his position. Long story short Comey should've been fired a long time ago.

So if that's the worst thing Trump has done, what's the second?
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yes comey must really love clintin to announce he was reopening investigation into her emails 5 days before the election.

He also has been a republican his whole life (recently described himself as no party affiliationthough)



2nd worse thing trump has done? probably scam a bunch of people out of their life savings with a fraudulent "university" then have to settle since he know he defrauded them.
 
Mysterie:
The dude is hella dodgy. I don't think many people are taking this book seriously.
Page Six Writer Who Was With Melania Trump on Election Night Calls Out Wolff for Claiming She Cried

In other news:
Trump Signs Executive Order Improving Veterans' Mental Health Care

On Tuesday, President Trump signed an executive order instructing the secretaries of defense, homeland security, and veterans affairs to improve access to mental health care for veterans during the first year after their exit from the armed forces. Trump asserted, "We want them to get the highest care and the care that they so richly deserve. It's something that is a top priority. … They get out of the military and they have nobody to talk to. It’s a very sad situation.”

Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin pointed out that the 12-month period after leaving the service was the highest risk-period for suicide, noting that roughly 20 veterans a day commit suicide. He stated that was an “unacceptable number.” Shulkin added, “I’ve identified the issue of preventing veteran suicides as one of our top priorities." Shulkin said only 40% of military members have mental health coverage.
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LucidSDreamr said:
yes comey must really love clintin to announce he was reopening investigation into her emails 5 days before the election.
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Do you think he wanted to do that making himself look completely incompetent? He was forced to. The NYPD confiscated Weiner's laptop for sexting young girls and reportedly found some extremely fucked up shit on there. These politicians all have dirt on each other for safety, and the cops allegedly stumbled onto a folder titled "Life Insurance" which contained some unspeakable things (along with them finding classified information forwarded by Huma via Clinton). The patriots in the NYPD threatened to go public if Comey did not re-open the investigation, which he reluctantly did yet then closed it a week later. Luckily it helped to prevent Clinton from seizing power.

LucidSDreamr said:
He also has been a republican his whole life (recently described himself as no party affiliationthough)
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Yes I've been stating for years that the Dems/Reps are part of the same gang. They will attack each other when vying for power but the ultimate collusion is very real. They are in a different class to the rest of us and will cover for each other to protect their own. If Comey did his job and charged Clinton then that would have led to Obama, as he also knowingly sent emails to Clinton's private server under a pseudonym. We've got wikileaks emails of Mills trying to clean it up. So to protect the establishment Comey had to fall on his sword and commit one of the most blatantly corrupt acts I have ever witnessed, lying to the world and saying that Clinton did not intend to commit any crimes. This is laughable. Classified files are stored on secure government networks. You cannot just remove them and put them onto an unsecured private server. Her emails ended up on the freaking cloud at Platte River/Datto, and they even sent a laptop through the mail.... If there was no intent with any of that then they should be jailed anyway for being so inexcusably terrible at their jobs, Now unfortunately for them Clinton lost the election so this is not over:
NYPD Turns Against the FBI: Seized Laptop Shows Hillary Clinton Covered Up Weiner?s Alleged Sex Crimes With 15 yr old During Election
At Least 18 Classified Emails Found On Anthony Weiner's Laptop
Justice Department reopens Hillary Clinton email investigation

LucidSDreamr said:
2nd worse thing trump has done? probably scam a bunch of people out of their life savings with a fraudulent "university" then have to settle since he know he defrauded them.
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Have you looked into this? Was it Trump ripping people off or was it someone who licensed the name from him?
 
Judge blocks Trump decision to end young immigrant program
A federal judge on Tuesday night temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s decision to end a program protecting young immigrants from deportation.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup granted a request by California and other plaintiffs to prevent President Donald Trump from ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program while their lawsuits play out in court.

Alsup said lawyers in favor of DACA clearly demonstrated that the young immigrants “were likely to suffer serious, irreparable harm” without court action. The judge also said the lawyers have a strong chance of succeeding at trial.
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Score another one for the good guys.
 
LiquidMethod said:
Have you looked into this? Was it Trump ripping people off or was it someone who licensed the name from him?
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it was trump.

trump university was a wholly-owned subsidiary of the trump organization which, at the time, was owned ~90% by donald trump.

there were a number of lawsuits alleging false claims, racketeering, et. al.

donald trump has famously claimed that he never settles lawsuits. never. in 2016 trump agreed to settle three of the lawsuits for $25M.

alasdair
 
JessFR said:
You hear about back when they were forcefully drugging the people they were deporting with Haldol for no good reason? Now that was some fucked up shit.
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please give me a source for that; i'm lazy but i want to trumpet that loudly because it is indeed beyond fucked up if true.

also, can i get ICE agents to come by and dope me up if i pretend to be hispanic?
 
tathra said:
please give me a source for that; i'm lazy but i want to trumpet that loudly because it is indeed beyond fucked up if true.

also, can i get ICE agents to come by and dope me up if i pretend to be hispanic?
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I wouldn't exactly call Haldol anything worth being doped up with.

As for sources.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/10/12/doping.immigrants/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/immigration/cwc_d4p1.html
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/01/immigration_officials_curtail.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/immigration/cwc_day4_printer.html

Honestly there are countless more if you Google it. And yeah I agree, it's crazy fucked up.
 
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LucidSDreamr said:
Trump is a wonderful human being that's a genius....you win.
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Trump is a wonderful human being that's a genius, but he's still human and I will criticize him FAIRLY for any mistakes made.

I don't know enough about the Trump university scandal. Trump was not there overseeing the institution but he did have his name attached to it so he is partially responsible for any major problems. He settled a lawsuit which implies his side did do something wrong so I can admit that this is so far evidence of the worst thing that has happened, that has been attached to his name. But it is still not evidence that "evil" Trump purposefully aimed to defraud people.

Would this automatically disqualify him from being a good President? Can we blindly hate him for this fact and detract from any positive developments in the future?

LucidSDreamr said:
Forget it liquid....u obviously have a defense for everything.
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I have a defense for much of the false information and slander that has been directed at Trump because I take the time to learn the details of accusations and scandals. Unfortunately these lies have convinced too many people that he's a bad person or unfit to be President, and much of it is emitted by mainstream media news so the average person will trust it without verifying.

Actions speak much louder than words and so far he has done a great job.
 
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