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US Politics The Mueller Investigation - report is out

I agree alasdair. We don't know what Mueller knows. That is the sort of sanity I enjoy vs envisioning Trump in jail. Still, the fact the whole thing looks pretty crooked to me, ah well at least the doj is looking into "bias."
 
alasdairm said:
you have know way of knowing what the investigation knows. i think it will be some time, as the investigation proceeds, until we know the full story.

people call this a nothing burger. that’s what they want, not necessarily what it is.

alasdair
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Folks with trump derangement syndrome want it so bad they can taste it. I'd be very suspect if they found any collusion. Especially since they never bothered to investigate the only people to see the DNCs servers, crowd strike. Crowd strike is a tech firm that shills for the dnc, I don't believe anything they said about the 'Muh Russia' narrative. Wonder how much money they are going to waste without talking to crowdstrike, Julian assange, or anyone else that actually knows what happened. This partisan witch hunt scares me after seeing all of the text messages from Strohck.
 
I find it hilarious that liberals will argue that we shouldn't cut taxes, yet have no problem paying millions for this pos soap opera that is the Mueller investigation.

Bill's wife will be the one that sinks while GOAT President and the rest of the deplorable Americans MAGA.
 
Droppersneck said:
Funny how neither Wikileaks nor crowdstrike are included in this. I don't think obamas FBI even want the truth ttytt
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wikileaks and assange aren't American nor are they on American soil, our government doesn't have the jurisdiction to subpoena them.

mueller is a republican, so i really don't get the accusations that he could be biased in favor of democrats. or do you think he's a RINO because he's not a right wing theocrat extremist like the majority of republicans these days? accusing him of being biased against his own party is basically acknowledging that he's able to put country over party, unlike the rest of the republicans who keep putting party over country.
 
tathra said:
do you think he's a RINO because he's not a right wing theocrat extremist like the majority of republicans these days?
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Post your source to show a majority of rethuglicans are right wing theocrat extremists.

Also Mueller being a republican doesnt mean much, I believe most of the rethugs in DC despise Tramp.

Also all sides put party first except Trump.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
Post your source to show a majority of rethuglicans are right wing theocrat extremists.
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srsly? you're either trolling or haven't been paying attention to stuff like how they want Christianity to be the country's official religion (which would require repealing part of the 1st amendment), how they want to erode the separation of church and state, and so forth.

them being far right authoritarians is also quite indisputable.

Morninggloryseed said:
Also all sides put party first except Trump.
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Your turn to cite your proof! ;)
 
tathra said:
srsly? you're either trolling or haven't been paying attention to stuff like how they want Christianity to be the country's official religion (which would require repealing part of the 1st amendment), how they want to erode the separation of church and state, and so forth.

them being far right authoritarians is also quite indisputable.



Your turn to cite your proof! ;)
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>posts fake news article from salon about some dubious poll
>all republicans support a Christian theocracy

I fear authoritarian rule from the establishment in general, but I'd say those on the left whom want to ban guns, limit the first amendment in the name of feelings, have the government nationalize many industries, etc; are Moreno suspect for authoritative rule.

So tathra do you really think it isn't important at all for mueller to investigate crowdstrike?
 
how predictable, calling every news article you personally disagree with "fake news". that ad hominem is getting old; how about instead of lazily ad homming it you post evidence to the contrary? thats how debating works, we each produce facts and information for the other to peruse until we arrive at the closest thing we can to "the truth".

and then there's the lazy strawman of saying that regulating something and banning it are the same thing, along with the rest of your strawmen. *yawn*, playing "spot the fallacy" gets boring real quick.
 
tathra said:
srsly? you're either trolling or haven't been paying attention to stuff like how they want Christianity to be the country's official religion (which would require repealing part of the 1st amendment), how they want to erode the separation of church and state, and so forth.

them being far right authoritarians is also quite indisputable.



Your turn to cite your proof! ;)
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I tried to read that article.... It did not seem to tell me what you claim. Tathra, if you pay attention to US politics you know the Republicans have not praised trump till the tax cut
 
Why would anybody bother responding if you refuse to even read an article?

I get the impression that you deliberately derail any thread with content you disagree with.
 
David Wooderson said:
I find it hilarious that liberals will argue that we shouldn't cut taxes, yet have no problem paying millions for this pos soap opera that is the Mueller investigation.

Bill's wife will be the one that sinks while GOAT President and the rest of the deplorable Americans MAGA.
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Gee, I wonder how much it's costing.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s election meddling and possible collusion with the Donald Trump campaign has cost more than $3.2 million, his office disclosed in a statement of expenditures on Tuesday. With additional Department of Justice costs related to the probe, the total amount is close to $7 million.

The amount covers the period from May 17, when the Department of Justice announced its appointment of Mueller, to September 30. The figure includes around $1.7 million for personnel compensation and benefits; $223,643 for travel and the transportation of people; $362,550 for rent, communications and utilities; and $773,969 for the acquisition of equipment.

The money comes from a Department of the Treasury account, not the Justice Department budget. But the special counsel’s office said the Department of Justice had spent an additional $3,546,000 on expenditures related to the Mueller probe that the DOJ “would have incurred for the investigations irrespective of the existence of the [special counsel’s office].” The office said it will conduct a similar review every six months and release its next statement about spending after March 31.
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Cost of Mueller investigation

So including the $3.54 million the DOJ would have incurred anyway, it's about $7 million. Which some of these prosecutors probably made in the private partnerships they left.

In Trump dollars, that's less than 3 trips to Mar-a-lago at $10 million and 14 days of Melania and Barron in Trump tower. Hopefully including the money Trump charges for the Secret Service to rent rooms, etc. Not to mention Air Force One.

So yeah way too expensive with a guy like Trump mooching around.
 
Hmm, updates..

Manafort sues Mueller, challenging scope of Russia investigation. Mueller better hurry up and take them all down. The longer this goes on with nothing (substantial) happening the worse it looks for the Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy theory.

Not a good look for the FBI when their lead investigator actively conspired against an incoming administration.
FBI Texts Reveal "Insurance Policy" To Prevent Trump Presidency

"Trump Should Go F Himself" - Texts Leak From FBI Agents On Russia Probe, Hillary Emails Investigation. The same FBI agent (Strzok) that entrapped Flynn into committing perjury (which any competent law enforcement official can do) let Abedin & Mills off for doing the exact same thing. The only difference being that in that case the interviews were related to an actual crime occurring.

And this latest development involving the money trail of the "peepee dossier" is not good at all for the Russia investigation, since salacious disinformation was dubiously paid for by the DNC and used to launch the coup, I mean investigation.
Judge sides with House panel on request for records from firm behind Trump dossier
 
lol, i think the line from someone in the press today sums it up pretty well; the rats are eating their young.

Trump's been involved in money laundering for many years, with many people.

Like a lot of big time organised criminals, his greed and ego seem to be his undoing.
Maybe he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that pesky election campaign he accidentally won?

What a farce. Like a semi-literate made-for-cable-tv shakespearean tragicomedy.


I think this (or an earlier version of the same story) has been posted elsewhere here, but it's a good (read: amusing) read.

Tell-all book on Trump to be released early despite White House legal effort



This is one grimy house of cards that is especially satisfying to watch as it begins to fall.

I'm interested in the speculation that Bannon is cooperating with the FBI.
Seems logical if he hopes to stay out of jail (or reduce his sentence?)
 
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Nice dodge.
I remember when the scandalous peepee dossier was released that delivered the dirt on Trump and was definitely all we needed to remove him.
Now it's some book written by a random. Why isn't Mueller coming out with laundering charges against Trump? Is Bob waiting for the book release to compile his evidence?

Also interesting how the accusations went from "collusion" to money laundering?
 
What dodge?

Speaking of dodges, Michael Wolff isn't "some random" - he's been a journalist for 30 years. Smearing his reputation does nothing to refute the very credible claims he is publishing. That's a very lazy "dodge" on your part.
It's an appalling look for any president to try to prevent the publication of a book about his presidency from an experienced journalist.
It's an especially bad look for an administration accused of gross corruption, treason (!), and with such a lengthy history of efforts to subvert democracy and stifle/damage freedom of the press.

Trump apologists are going to be fighting an even more ludicrous uphill battle to justify this mess.
 
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