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It's up to the mods as to whether that comment violates any rules - but why don't we just discuss it?

I'm simply curious how anyone could ever think it was possible for someone to deserve rape.
 
While I certainly agree that suggesting anybody "deserves" to be raped is disgusting.

It seems a bit hasty to be talking about banning anyone. At the very least he should have the opportunity to clarify what he means by that. Although I'll admit I can't think of any good excuses for making such a horrible remark.

spacejunk said:
It's up to the mods as to whether that comment violates any rules - but why don't we just discuss it?.
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I always thought admins such as yourself technically overruled moderators. And that site wide bans were technically within the power of admins not moderators. That's generally been the way it worked with other forums I've had experience with.
 
Just to clarify, i'm not advocating any disciplinary action be taken (just saying it's not my call and we should talk about these things rather than resort to that).
I think outrage is a bit overdone these days - both the expression of outrage, and the attempts some people make to provoke it in the first place.
But yeah, it's hard to see a comment like that and not feel a bit disgusted.

Maybe i can understand someone saying something like that if their life (or the lives of people close to them) has never been affected by sexual assault or rape.

Still doesn't excuse it though.
 
Its a pretty fucking disgusting comment but not explicitly against the rules. I agree with spacejunk, I would rather we discuss this than infract or ban.

Nobody deserves rape. No one can provoke or "ask for" rape, the rapist is the sole party responsible for a rape. Maybe she should have avoided Weinstein, that does not mean she deserves what happened. It amazes me that anyone would say this.
 
Reading that post I am wondering what research was done and who this actress was. No nonone has it coming. The question is why have this person over again? Is it coz the insidious "normalising" of this behaviour or some kind of denial or something else?

Its a simple question but maybe not.
 
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OP has gone from casting doubt to blame on the women.

Actually if just one woman is someone who we can call a liar, a gold digger, or a whore, right? Just one.

It's typical and pathetic.

It's one thing to say someone is presumed innocent until guilty. It's another to say an allegation is a lie. Or that all these women carry blame.

New low.
 
I think you'd have to ask the person in question. I mean, no amount of speculation will ever help us understand something like that, not least because we don't know her.
There are all kinds of circumstances that could lead to that sort of thing happening, really.
Especially if - at the time - she didn't feel confident enough to call it rape.

I think there is a widespread perception that rape is easy to define, but there are a lot of complexities.
If - for example - you were raped by your boss or a "friend" and didn't report it, confront him or tell anyone - there are plenty of ways someone like that could end up at your house.
It's become obvious how lecherous this guy is - i'm sure he was always scheming to find ways to take advantage of women in the film industry.
Again, that's just speculation, but blaming victims of sex crimes is awful.
 
^^To be clear, no rape is justified. Ever.
Unconsciousness is not consent.
These two separate statements directly address OP's last post.
I'm not interested in any explanation or "research".

It's revolting.

It's a dirty PR strategy to somehow cast blame and shame on a woman who should not be described this way because no one should. Ever. And then of course spread the blame to all his accusers.

In others words, it's a way to say you can't apportion blame to one person. Yes you can. And it's Harvey Weinstein.

I'm really angry so I hope this is more clear regarding OP's statements about the particular actress.
 
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I think you'd have to ask the person in question. I mean, no amount of speculation will ever help us understand something like that, not least because we don't know her.
There are all kinds of circumstances that could lead to that sort of thing happening, really.
Especially if - at the time - she didn't feel confident enough to call it rape.

I think there is a widespread perception that rape is easy to define, but there are a lot of complexities.
If - for example - you were raped by your boss or a "friend" and didn't report it, confront him or tell anyone - there are plenty of ways someone like that could end up at your house.
It's become obvious how lecherous this guy is - i'm sure he was always scheming to find ways to take advantage of women in the film industry.
Again, that's just speculation, but blaming victims of sex crimes is awful.
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Its not easy at the time at all. Its quite complex esp when deeply entrenched in the whole place you live and work.

So is Weinstein the total problem? Nope.

I wouldnt know though. Theres too much crap involved in that industry.

Im pretty sure there were plenty of enablers too.
 
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Sorry guys I was drunk last night when I posted, and I realize this morning that the comment was extreme and should have been put a different way. I have been trying to quite drinking for a year, you can't imagine some of the things I've said to my own wife even while belligerently drunk.

She didn't deserve the first rape. But if the story is true as to how she was raped, upset by it, then at a later date invited Harvey into her room again alone after drinking one night. I'm not really sure how to address that without sounding like an ass so I will just let it speak for itself.

IF this was my own daughter or sister, I would be pissed at the guy, but I would also be very disappointed with her and urge her to make some serious changes in her life after the second rape
 
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LucidSDreamr said:
Sorry guys I was drunk last night when I posted, and I realize this morning that the comment was extreme and should have been put a different way. I have been trying to quite drinking for a year, you can't imagine some of the things I've said to my own wife even while belligerently drunk
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We've all been there. No worries
 
Maybe no one believed her so she invited him up to take the matter into her own hand. With a cleaver in the other. The guys probably so used to that he's immune to most rat poisons, and she could only watch in horror as he drank glass after glass of spiked wine before she ultimately succumbed.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Sorry guys I was drunk last night when I posted, and I realize this morning that the comment was extreme and should have been put a different way. I have been trying to quite drinking for a year, you can't imagine some of the things I've said to my own wife even while belligerently drunk.

She didn't deserve the first rape. But if the story is true as to how she was raped, upset by it, then at a later date invited Harvey into her room again alone after drinking one night. I'm not really sure how to address that without sounding like an ass
so I will just let it speak for itself.

IF this was my own daughter or sister, I would be pissed at the guy, but I would also be very disappointed with her and urge her to make some serious changes in her life after the second rape
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Oh, so she only deserved the second rape...

You should volunteer as a rape counselor never. Ever.

Put down the shovel and walk away.
 
If your own daughter/sister got raped by this guy, I'd hope you'd need us there to hold you back from committing 2nd degree murder, whether it was her first second or third.

Yeah, I can't even see you at the bottom of that hole you're digging.
 
I didnt see where he stated a second rape was deserved. Things get twisted around here easily.

I believe swillow suggested she avoid weinstein

Nobody deserves rape. No one can provoke or "ask for" rape, the rapist is the sole party responsible for a rape. Maybe she should have avoided Weinstein, that does not mean she deserves what happened. It amazes me that anyone would say this.
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No rape is deserved.

So how does anyone actually discuss her seeing him again after the fact without you guys jumping up and down ?

This kinda thing would be addressed in court so why not here?
 
It's implied when he says this:

She didn't deserve the first rape.
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But you're right, while he doesn't say she deserves the second one, he:

would also be very disappointed with her and urge her to make some serious changes in her life after the second rape
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That's not twisting anything.

Mr. Dreamer may not have meant that she deserves to be raped, but then, what does he mean? Definitely a what was she thinking no sympathy attitude. He's hungover, I know.
 
Why would a person invite someone over after they had raped them?

It doesnt make much sense unless there is denial or some other kinda ptsd whatevs. If this were a court case this would def be asked. So..?
 
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