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ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.

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Nazi!!!

*Reported

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One thing I find interesting is that what used to be the target of white conservative christians is now the target of antifa and the far left. Just reinforces my belief that they are in fact pro-censorship (not that I needed any more proof). Not all that different than the PMRC really.
 
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Take it to stormfront, SS.
This has nothing to do with communism or islamic extremism - that's just obfuscation for nazi apologists.
Don't derail the thread please.

It is a legitimate line of questioning and I'm not the only one here who's trying to probe from that angle, that fascism isn't just confined to nazis or white supremacists. Given that Antifa is anti-fascist and you seem to be very pro-antifa I think it is reasonable to push you for a clear response on this, as you probably represent the antifa mindstate well.

It's not a wind up and I don't want to debate it extensively but I think it does merit a clear response. Why if Antifa are anti-fascist do they have nothing to say about radical Islam, why do they not hold counter-demonstrations against radical gatherings or marches? Looking at Antifas North London twitter they have time to protest against the EDL who aren't Nazis, and retweet a pro-palestinian tweet.. they're clearly not limited in scope of who they oppose or support. EDIT: Lots of pro-palestine tweets, and the odd anti-israel tweet. So why the blind spot to radical Islam? Same applies to the Unite Against Fascism group.

I'm not a nazi apologist. We can clear this up right now: I do not support or endorse anything to do with Nazis or associated groups or thinking. And I've never been on Stormfront either.
 
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How are antifa "censoring history"?
I get the feeling you don't know anything about anti-fascism, if you believe that.
Thw whole concept of anti-fascist action is extremely focused on history.
Ever heard of the 43 Group?
Or the "Battle of Cable Street"?

Antifascist roots go back over the last hundred-odd years - but "antifa" as we now know it arose out of community resistance to neo-nazi skinhead (bonehead) groups in Paris in the early 1980s. Those nazis killed and bashed people - especially ethnic minorities and gay people.

If you want to make patronising remarks about knowledge of history, you might want to actually include some insight, rather than irrelevant references to the Soviet Union.

You should watch this, you might learn something about community resistance:

Or, you know - you could just keep parotting racist talking points about BLM being a hate group.

People standing up to racist hate is always commendable.
Obviously you don't have to support nazism to oppose antifa tactics, but when people condemn various anti-racist resistance movements, but don't have the same condemnation for people pushing genocide and racial hatred, you have to wonder where their priorities lie.

Antifa aren't the ones trying to stage a coup. Antifa aren't trying to start a war. Antifa are trying to prevent either of those things happening - so all the off-topic talk about stalin is - again - kind of ironic.
Antifascists are anti-authoritarian. If you think otherwise, you've been fooled by propaganda.

People that go around talking about ethnic cleansing need to realise that violent rhetoric tends to elicit a violent response. The far right deride leftists as "snowflakes" or whatever, yet they're so scared of us that they can't even have a rally without turning up like they're armed for battle.

Can you see how calling antifa "terrorists" and calling a non-violent protest groups like BLM a hate group makes you look like you're siding with racists?
Antifa don't beat up people we "don't agree with". That's just completely false.
We target nazis, because we understand how dangerous they are.

It's pretty obvious that i'm wasting my time explaining why nazis shouldn't be tolerated, which is pretty depressing.
still, the more normalised nazism becomes - and the more people advocate on their behalf - the harder we will fight.

So what? This is not the 1930s before WWII, 1940s during WWII, the end of World War II, or the early 1980s. Despite the current ANTIFA claiming they have links to those groups you posted about, they were all disbanded a very long time ago.

The KKK is historical, and the Democrat party was originally the party of slavery and the KKK and this goes back a century but people either ignore this or forget it, or never learned this.

Both ANTIFA and groups like the KKK, Nazis, black lives matter, Hamas, PLO, CAIR, etc. are disgusting and all are terrorist hate groups.

People seriously underestimate the far left and ANTIFA in the US. In Europe they are setting off bombs, murdering people and taking the fight to the Government. Look at the far left IRA, they were funded by Gadaffi and the PLO. Armed, funded and trained. It's a mistake to think ANTIFA in the US cannot be dangerous. I would not be surpised if ANTIFA also have these links to Islamic terrorist groups. Or if BLM has links to other racist black separatist/national hate groups.
 
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I would not be surpised if ANTIFA also have these links to Islamic terrorist groups. Or if BLM has links to other racist black separatist/national hate groups.

Currently reading the Unite Against Fascism wiki page and it suggests a vice chairman has links to Al Queda etc, and another making the point that the group refuses to condemn antisemitism (sounds familiar.. Corbyn/Labour) or take interest in far-right radical Islamist activities.. which is my current point and question to SpaceJunk.

The likelihood of links to other more dangerous groups is high. Not because antifa etc are like that themselves necessarily but because they would be good targets for these external groups to infiltrate, subvert, and recruit from.
 
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You see that? No hate folks.
 
Why must everyone have to be on one side or the other. This bullshit happens all the time.

You can't criticize say, antifa without being deemed to be in the fascist side instead.

I could go to one forum and talk about how I don't believe a collectivist 2nd amendment interpretation is valid, and be deemed to be pro gun.
Then I could go to a different forum. And say I think the 2nd amendment should be changed, and be deemed Antigun.

Believe the collectivist interpretation is bullshit isn't the same as believing the individualist interpretation is right for society.
And believing it should be changed isn't the same as wanting to get rid of gun rights entirely.

In reality I believe both, that collectivist interpretation is horseshit but that individualist interpretation is to societies detriment. But that's not allowed. If I wanna agree with stricter gun control I gotta agree with it in the approved way.

Cause people get driven to such bullshit extremes in such large numbers so much of the time people don't really comprehend nuanced opinions that don't fit into the accepted dichotomy. You're either pro, or your anti. And which ever side you belong to comes with a set of beliefs that you must conform too.

For example. You can't be against abortion but not also believe it should be banned. You can believe the fetus is a human life but if you do, you must believe abortion is murder and a sin too. You can't be want stricter gun control but oppose the assault weapons ban. There is a set template for each side and if you don't conform to people, people will conform you to it for you.

It's infuriating. You can't have your own beliefs, you gotta share one of the two extremes. It doesn't matter what the issue is, every issue is like this. And it's true. Most people don't have a nuanced view. People derive validation for their opinions by seeing others who agree. So they tend to wind up believing in the set template. It starts with a small thing, believing say, that we need stricter gun control. Then the rest of your opinions around that one small belief get shifted to conform to what everyone else who agrees with the central premise agrees with. If you want stricter gun control, you will likely come to believe the answer is the specific kind of gun control every other gun control advocate is advocating.

I know why, it's cause people are sheep, they are psychologically driven to conform through the ways I described above. And in democracies the system drives people to clump together into two opposed sides cause if either side were comprised of more diverse, nuanced views, the side that has a uniform belief template will outnumber them the side that's more diverse and beat them. But it's still bullshit.

It drives me nuts that I can't give an opinion without a dozen other stances coming with it. I can't for example say I don't believe approve of abortion without also becoming religious too. I can't defend the fascists free speech rights without being on their side.

It's maddening.

I agree with all of what you posted. I'm also against ANTIFA, the KKK, neo-nazi groups, PLO, Hamas, CAIR, etc. as they are all terrorist hate groups.

ANTIFA despite their name are actually very fascist and a hate/terrorist group. Just look at what happened in Hamburg, Berkeley, and this picture demonstrates their hypocrisy very well.

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You see that? No hate folks.
 
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Can’t really tell much from a single picture. Could’ve been self-defense. Or tough love.
 
Is that supposed to be a joke?

I'm sure this is self defense...

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If you don't trust pictures just go to Youtube.
 
The tough love part was kind of a joke. But the self defense part wasn’t.

What was the cop doing to him before that? Seriously, just posting a picture says nothing. Videos are better but they can be misleading as well.
 
While you are of course correct that it could easily be misleading out of context. Can you honestly say you would apply such scrutiny and care in every such situation? Or are there other situations where you'd be less discerning?
 
We mostly are, you know.

Believe whatever bullshit you want, but most of my friends are anti-fascists or at least supportive of the whole thing, and most of us are upright citizens.
Law abiding, compassionate, poltically active citizens. You can actively join in on the mainstream press efforts to dehumanise and demonise anti fascists, but at counter rallies you see people from all different ages (old men and women, young students, and people of every age in between).

They're actually very nice people, mostly well educated - and i know this because i've been to debriefings and chatted to people for hours.
Everyone is just concerned that nazi groups have become more visible and successful than we've seen in the west for decades.
Some fascists stole the US election for fuck's sake. There is cause for concern there.
If you think otherwise, that's your choice. But we're not fucking around - nazis are not welcome, and we make that clear.
Some people want to fight, some people would never fight, other people will defend themselves if they have to, and others are against the idea.
There is no single "antifa". It's not an organisation, it's a tactic.
Anti fascism is non-aligned, politically.
There is a mix of political and cultural groups.

I can't say i've met too many "antifa" people that are anything like what you seem to believe.
There are some punks and skinheads and tough guys, but there are also way more people that aren't like that.

You might disagree with antifa ideology, poltics and tactics, but you're pushing a line here that is simply not true.


I wasn't going to reply to this, cos i havent responded to some posts above, but its late and i'll do it tomorrow (i should be in bed but i just heard about this manaforte thing, lolololol)
 
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We mostly are, you know.

Believe whatever bullshit you want, but most of my friends are anti-fascists or at least supportive of the whole thing, and most of us are upright citizens.
Law abiding, compassionate, poltically active citizens. You can actively join in on the mainstream press efforts to dehumanise and demonise anti fascists, but at counter rallies you see people from all different ages (old men and women, young students, and people of every age in between).

They're actually very nice people, mostly well educated - and i know this because i've been to debriefings and chatted to people for hours. I can't say i've met too many "antifa" people that are anything like what you seem to believe.

You might disagree with antifa ideology, poltics and tactics, but you're pushing a line here that is simply not true.

Keep telling yourself that. 8(

Meanwhile those of us that live in reality and who are not into racist/terrorist hate groups like ANTIFA, the KKK, neo-nazis, etc. will remember what happened at Berkeley, and in Hamburg, and other cities.

The group ANTIFA claims that they are dedicated to getting rid of what they believe to be fascism is doing so with violence, bloc tactics, the suppression of free speech.. pretty much everything about them is fascist, and they're violent and not law abiding.

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^lol. That picture looks like it’s been chopped up and edited in about 7 different ways. Even if it’s completely real, it proves nothing. Only a complete idiot would think it does.
 
One fuck up. Big fucking deal. It's pretty amazing how the people that side with antifa just turn a blind eye to their hypocritical violence and instigation. At least if you support it fucking own it already.

Also just because the one guy assaulting the cop in the photo didn't actually have any logos doesn't mean shit honestly. I've seen plenty of photos and videos of antifa members that were just dressed in all black just like that guy.

Lol...

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Hmm, nah. We don't.
We're just honest and realistic about it - but we're not obsessed by violence.
I hate violence, but when your opponents use street violence as a tactic (always have, and probably always will - KKK, nazi brownshirts, neo-nazi skins, though to today's "proud boys" and fucking "identity europa" or whatever they call themselves) the political battle has to be fought on the streets.

If nobody stands up to gangs of nazi street punks people get killed. And you know what? People already are getting killed on the streets by nazis.

But you guys have fallen for the ol' bait'n'switch - the real issue here is that nazis are killing people - which is why the very concept of anti-fascist activism has even entered your political awareness.
If you wanna get rid of antifa, there is one way: make sure there are no nazis.

I understand you don't get it, but you do your argument no favours by spreading fiction about what a bunch of beasts we are.
 
Where is that YouTube link?

I'm looking at your thus unimpressive posts (apparently more carefully than you).

Post some proof. (Not from a white supremacist site again though).

Go on Youtube and search "antifa" and violence. It's not very hard. 8(
 
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