The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread
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herbavore
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Although this is about obvious misogyny in this particular (and sadly familiar) instance, I think it goes beyond that in the wider world. It is about power. Power over someone else, over their livelihood, their grades, their ability to advance their own goals on their own merits. As a few women have risen to power in the corporate world this has started to make an appearance with subordinate men being the victims and women in a position of power being the perpetrators. It has also been seen in teacher/student situations with this same gender role reversal. The fact that it is most commonly male to female simply reflects the ongoing imbalance of power.
it's a lot easier to victim blame if they're all whores who were obviously asking for it....
alasdair
jpgrdnr
Bluelighter
Interested that Corey Feldman and Courtney Love were ahead of the curve on this. And this kinda thing is actually known in Hollyweird.
LucidSDreamr
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As the starter of this thread I take it back. When the first lady Asia whatever came out talking about how she kept having sex with him "because she felt obliged"...I was skeptical. There are just too many women now to deny it and some which are famous enough that they have no reason to make it up
JessFR
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I’m impressed. Most people refuse to publicly change their position on anything. Simply finding new reasons to maintain their original belief when new information arises.
Fresco
Bluelighter
At age 65 I'm pretty sure Weinstein's Hollywood career is finished.
I can't see him recovering from all this, and if he's not careful he's gonna end up broke, because if all 56 accusers file a class-action lawsuit he's gonna be out a lot of money
I can't see him recovering from all this, and if he's not careful he's gonna end up broke, because if all 56 accusers file a class-action lawsuit he's gonna be out a lot of money
^ he may well end up in prison.
If he is guilty of the accusations he should spend at least a good part of the rest of his life behind bars - but i think it's safe to say that the likelihood of that may be reduced by his wealth, influence and fame.
I mean, why the fuck isn't Bill Cosby locked up? The bastard hasn't even been charged has he?
This is exactly why it's so difficult for his alleged victims to speak up - rich powerful people seem to operate on another level to the rest of us, when it comes to criminal prosecution and the justice system.
It certainly gives the impression that wealth and power can buy freedom in the face of very serious criminal allegations.
Reminds me a bit of how Johnny Rotten made allegations about Jimmy Saville in the late 70s in an interview. People outside the typical celebrity machine are often bold enough to speak out - but it's also quite easy for the media to ignore or suppress such allegations.
If he is guilty of the accusations he should spend at least a good part of the rest of his life behind bars - but i think it's safe to say that the likelihood of that may be reduced by his wealth, influence and fame.
I mean, why the fuck isn't Bill Cosby locked up? The bastard hasn't even been charged has he?
This is exactly why it's so difficult for his alleged victims to speak up - rich powerful people seem to operate on another level to the rest of us, when it comes to criminal prosecution and the justice system.
It certainly gives the impression that wealth and power can buy freedom in the face of very serious criminal allegations.
Reminds me a bit of how Johnny Rotten made allegations about Jimmy Saville in the late 70s in an interview. People outside the typical celebrity machine are often bold enough to speak out - but it's also quite easy for the media to ignore or suppress such allegations.
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
They always could have said something. Its not as if these women were unable to speak out publically or make a complaint.
Maybe if they had it would have meant their career chances so didnt say anything to advance their carreer.
It takes guts to stand up to people who have some authority and wouldnt likely end in favour of these women but they would have been doing the right thing.
These famous actresses got their lifestyles from getting famous in his movies but hes not the only film maker and could have taken a stand and outed him and chosen to not work for him.
Id hazard a guess and say if that happened it would have stopped a lot of others going through the same shit
Fresco
Bluelighter
Entourage supposably did a bunch of segments on Weinstein, but they had to change his name around to Weingard:
[video]https://youtu.be/Jfmp9Iagxhk[/video]
[video]https://youtu.be/Jfmp9Iagxhk[/video]
JessFR
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People always talk about how celebrities are above the law and you can buy your way out of anything in America etc etc.
Now it's true that more money buys a better legal defense as you'd expect, but beyond that, I've looked into these claims over and over and never found any proof that this phenomenon exists outside people's imaginations. In fact what I've found is that judges tend to sentence celebrities to even harsher penalties on occasion out of fear of being perceived that way.
I've looked so many times now and all I've found is that people don't really know how the justice system works and and so they don't really understand that the supposedly biased case they're seeing is how it would work for anyone else with a similar high quality legal defense.
I'm sure I won't convince you I've never convinced anyone before. Most people want to believe it so they see what they wanna see. For the most part I try to stay out of such discussions now cause it's clear to me that people decide long in advance what outcome they want in a trial and imagine whatever they most want to see if it doesn't go their war.
For all the talk of how bad and evil and corrupt the courts are in the us. From what I've found the courts are probably by far the least corrupt of the 3 branches. Which isn't to say corruption doesn't exist of course, just not the way people imagine and not as bad as everything else in government.
As for Cosby. Justice moves slowly and the media get bored easily. There is both ongoing civil and criminal legal action being taken against him today. It won't show up in the news until something they can sensationalize happens.
EDIT: Oh and I dunno if you're seeing it on your side but the forum is still acting a little broken. Certain symbols like quotation marks are being rendered as question marks when I post. Wasn't sure if you were aware. On my side it seems to only affect my posts and maybe a small handful of others.
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I think it's irrelevant how famous the victims are.
It's really easy to say that people should have spoken out sooner, but i don't think many people know how hard it is to report rape or sexual assault if they've never had to do it.
Add to that the context;
- These people work in a field that is both extremely sexist (how many female movie stars are above 35 and still getting cast in roles that aren't just "mother" or "wife"? Not a whole lot, especially when you look at men in hollywood - age is no barrier to success, generally speaking)
- Media attention means that the whole world knows about - and is scrutinising - what happened to these women
- the accused is among the most powerful men in the field they work in, which happens to be a very competitive industry where reputation can make or break you.
Rather than criticise the people that didn't speak out as soon as this happened to them, can't we commend the bravery of those that did?
Victims are victims - whether they're famous for their career (or artistic/creative) choices doesn't mean they're any less victimized by this than average non-famous people are.
I don't disagree with you - but i think a lot of it does come down to having a good (read: expensive) lawyer.jess said:
There is probably also the threat of litigation to be taken into account.
If you accuse someone rich of rape, and they are acquitted, i'm not sure if that opens you up to the threat of being sued defamation?
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Yeah it's weird isn't it? I saw your post in testing grounds. Apostrophes seem to work for me. Very odd.
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JessFR
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Yeah frankly I don't think anyone has the right to be saying "oh they should have reported sooner what about all the victims there have been since"?.
You don't think rape victims know that? You think that never occurred to them? Of course it did. But for a million reasons they still didn't report it. And unless you can say you have any idea what that's like I don't really think you have much right to make that argument cause it's made out of ignorance.
It is SO easy to be brave and heroic and do the right thing when you have no first hand experience and it's all hypothetical.
You don't think rape victims know that? You think that never occurred to them? Of course it did. But for a million reasons they still didn't report it. And unless you can say you have any idea what that's like I don't really think you have much right to make that argument cause it's made out of ignorance.
It is SO easy to be brave and heroic and do the right thing when you have no first hand experience and it's all hypothetical.
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JessFR
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I don't know either but it's a good question. Yes being able to afford expensive lawyers is an advantage but I don't think the advantage is nearly as extreme as many seem to think. It is an advantage, a not negligible, advantage. But it's not the "guaranteed freedom" many imagine it is.
I dunno what's going on with the question mark shit. I think I've seen it one one or two other posts but for the most part I'm only seeing mine as affected. Most of the time I'm posting in an iPhone. I've tried it on the desktop version of the site from the iPhone. Still happens.
EDIT: Looks like it's not happening in my iPad. Strange. I've used the phone to post for ages and this issue only started after the servers went down a day ago. I'm thinking it must have to do with the text itself. It definitely started happening after the servers went down. But whatever it is, it isn't the texts in quotes of other people's posts. Only the text I type.
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Scrofula
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We have to remember, "doing something " here means going to the police and filing charges. Saying they should go public doesn't mean anything, when everyone already knows the guy's a lech, and it's almost expected. I mean listen to the folks in this thread--that's how it is in that industry, they knew what they're getting into, everyone knows that bad actress with the mammary enhancements blew somebody.
So what are you really left with, cause maybe you expected him to grab your ass and squeeze up against you, and suddenly his cock is out and he's got an extra hundred pounds on you.. Well you press charges on a guy who probably has two lawyers following him everywhere he goes. You might find yourself arrested for solicitation. And you might as well get a bus ticket home.
So you might be right, but I think everyone s underestimating just how few options women (and a whole lot of teen boys) actually have.
There's also being cross-examined publicly about every tiny detail, whole body and insides forensic exam, and in a lawsuit depositions I think your entire sex history is fair game and public if it isn't later sealed.
Odds of a successful outcome are zero after intense embarrassment, and damage to you is potentially catastrophic.
I don't think any more guilt should be added to these women's shame.
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
Yeah its pretty shocking having your entire sexual history and character exposed because a creep sexually assaults you and having faced that I didnt press charges . Mind you that was because of the situation I was in which was my fault.
Its just sad his behaviour would have been known about by a lot of people and maybe bragged about to the point that he would think he is that important he can do whatever he likes.
That goes for Cosby too and hes not charged with anything as most allegations are historical and past the statute of limitations. Even if there was evidence hes gotten away with it.
It is a good thing its all out and all, there are a lot of other executives who are probably very nervous.
Its just sad his behaviour would have been known about by a lot of people and maybe bragged about to the point that he would think he is that important he can do whatever he likes.
That goes for Cosby too and hes not charged with anything as most allegations are historical and past the statute of limitations. Even if there was evidence hes gotten away with it.
It is a good thing its all out and all, there are a lot of other executives who are probably very nervous.
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
Reese Witherspoon said:
This is part of a speech Reese recently made at the ELLE : Women in Hollywood awards.
Having read the entire thing its pretty clear that this behaviour has been rampant and embedded in the Hollywoid culture for a long time, probably from the beginning.
So why they have not spoken out earlier is clear now.
Its sexual harassment in the workplace and there has to be changes made so people arent punished for speaking out or blacklisted .
I also wonder what will happen in the future as its that widespread its a good bet a lot of people are going to be outed like Weinstein.
theMerovingian
Bluelighter
While unofficially been know as a sleeze scumbag dirtbag that used his position of power and influence to harass and quite possible rape these women the very sight of him here on out to the public and those that recognise the scumbag heads is yes he is officially a creep, sleeze and rapist if it can be proven in a court of law that he raped a number of these women against their will.
How the mighty have fallen.
How the domino effect erupted when the first came out. Suppose thats all that is needed for the shit to come out.
How the mighty have fallen.
How the domino effect erupted when the first came out. Suppose thats all that is needed for the shit to come out.
Every day now seems to unleash another torrent of accusations against various different industry veterans (as well as gradually spreading beyond entertainment to other sectors).
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/22/james-toback-sexual-harassment-writer-director-accused
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/22/james-toback-sexual-harassment-writer-director-accused