The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread

[LucidSDreamr]

EDIT: . following this trial for a while now, Weinstein was at fault for rape and this was much more wrong than women using sex to advance their careers. The women still did something wrong but it should not rise to the level of deserving physical violence.

 

[cduggles]

In a word, yes.

The original post title was something like Do you believe the Weinstein accusers?".

 

[Mysterie]

rape is "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim"

2 or 3 women have said that he forcibly had them give him oral sex. so you are either saying that these women are lying, (where is your evidence?), or you disagree with the definition of rape, in which case you could consider it sexual assault, which doesn't really make weinstein's actions any less distasteful.

why don't you call the actresses which were sexually harassed and groped by weinstein prostitutes to their faces.

 

[Scrofula]

You can call it extreme dating I guess, but you'd agree the guy is a disgusting human being who at the very least took advantage of women? With his penis?

It's kind of like saying if your attacker left you cab fare, well, you got something out of it, it can't be rape.

 

[Kittycat5]

I cannot speak on the rape allegations but only because I havent looked into it enough but he basically admitted to sexual assault saying he was a product of his time (the 60s and 70s) where these things often went overlooked.

 

[CFC]

Isn't his wife now divorcing him?? Clearly she doesn't think they're all full of it.

 

[alpha_centauri]

Some had consensual sex with him, Meryl Streep probably did. Others he would sexually assault. Of course now they are doing the damage control claiming they had no idea he sexually assaulted women when it was an open secret for decades.

 

[CFC]

Actor Terry Crews: I was sexually assaulted by Hollywood executive

Brooklyn Nine-Nine star says he did not speak out after unnamed ‘high-level’ executive groped his genitals for fear of being ostracised or jailed

 

[spacejunk]

wow, i didn't expect that. big terry..

hollywood is deeply misogynist. i'm not surprised at all by this, nor do i think it is bullshit. some sleazy guys keep going regardless of consent (that's called sexual assault) and occasionally they probably get the consent.
whether or not some people consented to his attentions is kinda beside the point. he's accused of multiple sexual assaults, and the fact that people made jokes at awards nights and on tv shows about him being an opportunistic sleaze - but the guy is in a position of power.
as the US president so colourfully illustrated, "when you're a star" you can get away with a lot.
and when you have the power and influence to make other people stars...well, you can probably get away with a lot more.

it's a toxic culture, full of exploitative people. the above article illustrates how people are intimidated and shamed into silence - but often it only takes one person to come forward to help other victims do the same.
there is a whole industry built around celebrity reputations, and it must be incredibly difficult to stand up for yourself against someone who is a big player in something as monolithic as that - especially when you can be written off as a "failed actress" or "aggrieved former employee" or something.

 

[JessFR]

If you pressure someone to have sex with you when they don't want to, say by suggesting it'll help their careers. It's still sexual harassment at the very least. And far as I'm concerned I'd be happy to see such people go to prison. I entirely reject your assertion that this makes the victim "full of it".

And many of the allegations go a lot further than that. Some of the allegations, if true, are rape.

Also I'm gonna say the same thing I said with the Trump sexual harassment/assault scandal. Where there's smoke there's fire. It doesn't seem to happen very often where these kinds of accusations start showing up all over the place towards one individual where it doesn't later turn out to be proven to be true and even worse than it first looked.

 

[CFC]

BAFTA Suspends Harvey Weinstein's Membership

Bafta, the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, has suspended Harvey Weinstein's membership from the organisation.

It is in light of allegations against the film producer which include sexual assault and harassment.

Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow and Heather Graham are some of the stars who have come forward with allegations.

Looks like his house of cards is crashing down fast...

 

[-=SS=-]

If it was just him and the person in question, no physical barrier to getting up and leaving like a locked door, then I find it very hard to believe the accusation of rape. One would presume any aspiring actor or person in Hollywood would know the legend of execs and bosses being sexual pests, and take that into consideration when meeting one of them alone behind closed doors. Unless he actually physically grabbed and held on to them then I'd be suspicious about any claim of rape. Harassment, assault, more believable for sure.

Still a sleezeball for sure, but I suspect many aspiring actors knew full well what might come their way (ah-ha).

 

[Scrofula]

So your assault v. rape criteria requires other people present to hold her down and locked doors/physical barriers? What kind of Amazonian tribe do you live in?

But you also answered your question with "legend" of execs and bosses being sexual pests. I have a feeling a good 90% of men are sexual pests when you're a hot actress, how to spot the real threat? Rep alone isn't enough when its the case for everyone.

 

[alasdairm]

a lot of assumptions and jumping to conclusions in this thread...

alasdair

 

[jpgrdnr]

At the Oscars I heard he thought Joey Lauren Adams was Renée Zellweger, anything is possible. :/

 

[spacejunk]

If it was just him and the person in question, no physical barrier to getting up and leaving like a locked door, then I find it very hard to believe the accusation of rape. One would presume any aspiring actor or person in Hollywood would know the legend of execs and bosses being sexual pests, and take that into consideration when meeting one of them alone behind closed doors. Unless he actually physically grabbed and held on to them then I'd be suspicious about any claim of rape. Harassment, assault, more believable for sure.

People automatically doubting rape claims is exactly the reason stuff like this is able to happen.

So what if this happened in an industry notorious for sexual exploitation?
If anything that should make the claims more believable, not less so.

Still a sleezeball for sure, but I suspect many aspiring actors knew full well what might come their way (ah-ha).

This sort of thing is not some ideological football to be kicked around, just to voice your disagreement with feminism or whatever.
Contributing to the culture of shaming and ostracising sexual assault victims isn't edgy or funny - it's creepy.

 

[David Wooderson]

a lot of assumptions and jumping to conclusions in this thread...

alasdair

lulz

If this were Trump you'd say it's gospel.


This whole situation is very interesting because he was one of the most powerful ppl in hollyweird, apparently his 22 year old daughter called the cops on him at her house saying he was suicidal, e also gave hitchhiking a try for our lulz, when he's been reported to be in rape detox in europe.

I personally love his movie studios and his contribution to modern films, but this doesn't surprise me at all.

The most powerful man in hollywood gets caught committing the most abhorrent behavior and MSM is acting like a sleepy house cat, instead of the bathsalt junkies they really are.

True rape in this country is something I seriously hope is rare.

 

[alasdairm]

If this were Trump you'd say it's gospel.

not really. right now all we have are allegations which need to be proved.

if somebody accused trump of sexual assault, those allegations would also need to be proved.

there is a slight difference - we don't have recorded evidence of weinstein saying that it's ok for him to sexually assault women because of who he is. that would certainly paint these allegations in a darker light, would you not agree?

The most powerful man in hollywood gets caught committing the most abhorrent behavior and MSM is acting like a sleepy house cat...

you have to be kidding. this is all over th enews, across a spectrum of media and the condemnation is pretty universal.

alasdair

 

[spacejunk]

The most powerful man in hollywood gets caught committing the most abhorrent behavior and MSM is acting like a sleepy house cat, instead of the bathsalt junkies they really are

What are you talking about? Isn't this a huge story globally?
The guy's reputation has been destroyed - what more do you want the "MSM" to do?

I know trump's trained people to distrust everything the free press prints, but you should try applying your own critical thinking skills to media coverage, rather than dismissing them as "bathsalt junkies" or being like a "sleepy house cat".
Yes, the mainstream press are disappointing at times - a lot of the time - but they're an essential part of a "free" democratic country - if anyone cares about that anymore.

True rape in this country is something I seriously hope is rare.

Rape (and uh, "true rape" - whatever that is) happens in every country. There is a lot of racist bullshit about rape and "foreigners", but it's just a typically dismissive expression of xenophobia and paternalistic sexism.
"They're raping our women!" has been an excuse for racist hostility for a long time. The use of rape accusations against whole populations of people (say, Muslims and Mexicans) is just the latest in a long history of excuses for ostracising people (and worse)

The sad irony, of course, is that one of the things that trump campaigned on was a claim that Mexico is flooding the US with men that commit acts of sexual violence.
It is hard to understand rape as something that happens in your community or your culture (as if, y'know - it's not something "we" do; it must be part of the toxic culture imported from somewhere else by "them"; not "us") but unfortunately, sexual abuse happens seemingly everywhere.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't drug prohibition introduced initially to ""stop "black men" (on drugs from non-anglo cultures ) raping "white women"?
It's just another myth borne out of the intersection of racism and patriarchy that is colonialism.

Truth is though, there are probably fucked up rapists in all cultures - but they thrive most in cultures that have no basic human mututal respect. Hollywood is a classic example of that sort of toxic culture, where power is wielded shamelessly and people are considered expendable and replaceable.

 

[Scrofula]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't drug prohibition introduced initially to ""stop "black men" (on drugs from non-anglo cultures ) raping "white women"?
It's just another myth borne out of the intersection of racism and patriarchy that is colonialism.

Nah, that was Mexicans. With their marihuana cigarettes and zoot suits.

Rape (and uh, "true rape" - whatever that is) happens in every country

Dave might be referring to the anti-abortion Congressman Todd Akin, who said we shouldn't worry about abortions for rape victims, because: “It seems to be, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, it’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down.”