nuttynutskin
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How that ignorant or offensive? I'm mentally ill for fuck sake. Have fun living in your nanny state.
You never need a gun until you wish you had one.
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Vegas Mandalay Bay mass shooting / Gun Control 2017 Thread
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How that ignorant or offensive? I'm mentally ill for fuck sake. Have fun living in your nanny state.
You never need a gun until you wish you had one.
RedLeader
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While I take any "false flag to take our guns" conspiracy theory with a grain of salt, the less that comes out about a motive, the more it a story will seem like it is all about the guns. At a minute level, (some) people will relate to a shooter being bullied, dumped, fired or whatever, but when there's no steps between "just an ordinary guy" and dozens of guns and kills, the guns suffice as the missing link. So it does make sense that those who'd want to capitalize on such events with new legislation would want less clear of a motive.
I love alternate history stories like this. They've always been one of my favourite categories of fiction.
why so insulting? i can't speak for him, obviously, but he probably does have fun living where he lives knowing that he's a lot less likely to die from a gun. day to day, he probably feels just as free as you do speaking pragmatically.
you're a gun owner, nutty? those 58 dead people are an acceptable price for society to pay so that you can freely own a gun?
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Read the posts that warn about the shooting and the end goals of the whole thing, right on the money
Read the posts that warn about the shooting and the end goals of the whole thing, right on the money
nuttynutskin
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Yeah I own a gun and had nothing to do with the shooting.
That's crazy if true. I heard that some woman was escorted out for telling concert goers they were going to die. Then I heard it was discredited. I don't know what to believe honestly.
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Jabberwocky
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nuttynutskin said:
I can't argue with that. A gun is definitely useful when there is a need for it. That said, the mere fact of having a gun might also mean I accidentally shoot someone, someone uses it against me. I pull it on someone and they shoot me first. Or my kids play with it and shoot themselves. I'd feel real shitty if that happened. So shitty I might use the gun on myself. So yeah, a lot of scenarios where the gun that could protect me ends up killing me or a loved one. I think there are places and situations where owning a gun extends your life expectancy. However, for a first world privileged white male like myself owning a gun probably decreases my life expectancy statistically speaking.
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The normal deep state CIA conspiracy trolls are out in force. Who knows his motive. Frankly it's bullshit. Who knows why crazy people act crazy? You know
nuttynutskin
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/\ Isn't it at least worth examining or should we just accept that this guy had no real motive?
@ Levels... I don't think that everyone should own a gun but it should be an available choice.
@ Levels... I don't think that everyone should own a gun but it should be an available choice.
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There is news footage of a 21 year old female describing the woman warning "you are all gonna die here tonight"
Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but this is how things are carried out in the USA Today. Look at the facts, follow the money, who stands to gain from these attacks. Look at the victims, country music fans , trump people, right wingers, of course it all makes sense when viewed through the right lens. Plus I have a friend from vegas who saw security/ cops chasing armed men/ shooting at men who appeared to be security personnel as well. Super confusing as it's supposed to be. On Reddit there are reports of shooters showing up at different casinos and / around the strip
Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but this is how things are carried out in the USA Today. Look at the facts, follow the money, who stands to gain from these attacks. Look at the victims, country music fans , trump people, right wingers, of course it all makes sense when viewed through the right lens. Plus I have a friend from vegas who saw security/ cops chasing armed men/ shooting at men who appeared to be security personnel as well. Super confusing as it's supposed to be. On Reddit there are reports of shooters showing up at different casinos and / around the strip
great. but that's not what i asked.
care to answer the question - those 58 dead people are an acceptable price for society to pay so that you can freely own a gun?
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Of course I don't think it's acceptable ffs. But I think someone who wants to kill is going to find a way guns or no guns. I've given the Oklahoma city bombing and others as an example countless times but it just goes ignored.
Fresco
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Gun-control is not the answer
^ it's moronic to think there's a simple, silver bullet solution. what, in your opinion, is the answer?
alasdair
by that logic, banning guns would be a step in the right direction. if they're going to do it with or without guns, then why make it easier with the widespread availability of guns?
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Because people are going to kill regardless and it's important for law abiding citizens to be able to own guns.
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I'd like to know the law in other countries.
I do know that some countries like Sweden and Finland have high rates of gun ownership (not as high as the US, but a good fraction there-of) and yet don't suffer a proportionate amount of gun crime.
I've just looked up the law in Sweden and Finland, it seems that handguns are legal, but carrying a gun, except for very specific purposes, is not. Maybe this is the reason. It's a lot easier to kill someone in the heat of the moment than it is to premeditate a killing, and a lot more risky for criminals to carry guns, even legally purchased guns, since their mere possession would likely be a crime.
Maybe that's a model the US should use.
OTOH, it could be that our culture is more screwed up - racism, poverty, etc. Have people with less to lose, and crime will be more common. More crime, more violence.
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nuttynutskin said:
So Mr. Nutskin does want gun control, key word being law-abiding. Once again we're in agreement, and every person in this thread wants some control over who can buy guns, and what kind; this is called "gun control". You are in favor of it. This isn't a debate about 'free guns for everyone" v "not a single firearm anywhere". This is not macho men v. pussy libtards, as certain organizations love to pose it, to their great benefit.
A lot of people collect a shit ton of guns, and whatever their reason, fine. It's okay. No one is going to stop you, we'd just like to make sure you're just a guy who likes to collect guns, and not someone who then sells them illegally in the cities. Or for his secret terrorist organization, Antifa/ISIS. Or he used to work for the post office (like yrs.truly). or in certain graduate programs he didn't finish (like yrs. truly).
So when Fresco says, "Gun control is not the answer," he doesn't even understand his likely position--Mr. Fresco is almost certainly pro-gun control. This should be a boring as shit policy debate.
Oh, and Mr. Nutskin, you can look at homicide and suicide rates in this country, and while people still killed people before mass produced handguns, they killed a whole lot more, and themselves, after they became available. Guns make killing a whole lot easier, that's their purpose.
cduggles
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Yes there are. McVeigh's co-conspirators Terry Nicols, who is serving multiple life sentences; Michael Fortier, who cut a deal and served ~10.5 years of a 12 year sentence; Fortier's wife, who had immunity because her husband ratted; and the white supremacist/militia group of which McVeigh was a member.
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Did someone ask for interesting data?
Mass Shootings Are Getting Deadlier, Not More Frequent
Before anyone starts spouting off, this article is about mass shootings as defined in it, not bombings, etc.
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White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners
How do we solve the white alt-right male problem??
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The research is clear: gun control saves lives
Links to many studies about gun control measures and its impact on reducing mortality
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Gun violence in America, explained in 17 maps and charts
Great graphics, but I won't post >1. Someone else please do!!
Gun ownership by state correlates well with gun deaths.
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Fresco
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I am anti gun-control
Fresco
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There isnt one. Americans as a society are just going to have to learn to live with this type of stuff