The Clinton Discussion Thread

[LiquidMethod]

OH yeah, we have a CNN producer overhead by someone somewhere say something about it is BS, allegedly.

VIDEO EVIDENCE.
Some mixed messages there emanating from the Counterfeit News Network.

Thus there is no evidence for Trump/Russia shenanigans whatsoever.

lol there's no evidence because there's no evidence.

A former head of the FBI has impaneled a grand jury and hired a serious legal team, which means he has crimes he's charging at least someone with.

Do you have a source for that?

What's funny is that the FBI is of course part of the Justice Department. It has been a point to keep the FBI, which is law enforcement, separate from politics as much as possible. The Attorney General is the head of the Justice Department and oversees the FBI, and serves at the pleasures of the President. Thus the president affects policy through the AG's office, not the FBI.

Is it OK for the spouse of someone under investigation to secretly meet with the AG? One of the very first things Comey ever did was organize the last-minute pardon of global criminal Marc Rich at the behest of an outgoing Bill Clinton. Comey & the Clintons have been scratching each other's backs for quite some time now. He needed to go, irrespective of any Russia BS.

A president cannot dismiss the FBI director, directly.

The president’s decision was based on “the clear recommendations” of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
The best part was the lanky douchebag finding out from a TV report.

Which is one of the reasons an obstruction charge has written itself; that is hasn't been made yet, is because it's just too easy for Meuller. He had his eyes on more.

lol he's frantically digging through Trump's financial history to see if he has been doing any illegal business with anyone named Dimitry.
Bob will take whatever he can get and probably will need years to complete the investigation.
Which will find f*ck-all.

 

[Scrofula]

Do you have a source for that?

These sorts of responses could be from a bot. What part of "A former head of the FBI has impaneled a grand jury and hired a serious legal team, which means he has crimes he's charging at least someone with" do you need a source for?

 

[LiquidMethod]

which means he has crimes he's charging at least someone with.

This part. I don't believe it.

CNN has learned some of the investigators involved in the probe are buying liability insurance out of concern they could become targets of lawsuits from those who are being investigated, according to one of the people familiar with the probe. The Justice Department covers legal fees for employees sued in the course of their duties, but some of the lawyers want extra protection.

The Justice Department and special counsel’s office both declined to comment on the liability concerns.

That's how confident they are - they're taking out insurance for fear of being sued for investigating people for bullsh*t.

 

[Scrofula]

You impanel a grand jury when you have charges to file, hostile witness to interview under oath, and subpoenas. The jury approves or not.

I'll cut you some slack as it's a weird American thing, but it has come up a few times now. I don't think you realize how far along this investigation is. It's less about uncovering crimes now, as it is making a great court case for those crimes.

Do we know what crimes? Or even who all is involved? WE do not, the investigators do.

 

[cduggles]

I wonder how the people Trump fired unceremoniously like Sean Spicer, Reince Preibus and others that will be testifying under the aegis of a special prosecutor and the FBI will feel about opening up about everything they know that is incriminating about Trump. Sometimes behavior like that is very costly. So laugh it up.

And isn't it odd that Trump is so furious at AG Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from anything to do with Russia, making him unable to fire Mueller. I guess it's too bad that Sessions forgot that he met with Russians during his confirmation hearing with the Senate.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Guess it's too bad that meeting with a Russian person isn't illegal, and is in fact part of their job.

Keep the conspiracies coming, and I hope you are not putting too much faith into Mueller's phantom investigation with all the secret evidence.
You may end up thoroughly disappointed - once again.

I thought Trump was going to be impeached by now? CNN said "impeachment was imminent" more than 6 months ago..

 

[LiquidMethod]

Back on topic:

BREAKING: Decision Makers Have Been Informed Of Evidence Against Russia Hack

Adam Carter has published a new article which states that important authorities including Robert Mueller and Jeff Sessions have been personally informed of the latest information debunking the Russian Hacking narrative. Pretended ignorance on the matter would be unacceptable.

White House Seeks DOJ Probe of James Comey for Perjury; Accuses ex-FBI Boss of “False Testimony”

The White House on Monday accused James Comey of giving “false testimony” and suggested the Justice Department look at whether he perjured himself, as Republican lawmakers stepped up pressure on the former FBI director to clarify apparent discrepancies in his public statements to Congress.

“Since the director’s firing, we’ve learned new information about his conduct that only provided further justification for that firing,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said, citing “false testimony” among her examples.

Is perjury enough of a no-no to fire Comey?

Everybody who just hates Trump should utilize that anger towards the DNC politically. There's no point in simply hating the President when we know from Wikileaks that the Clinton campaign elevated Trump.

 

[cduggles]

Guess it's too bad that meeting with a Russian person isn't illegal, and is in fact part of their job.

Guess it's too bad that perjuring yourself during a Senate confirmation hearing about such meetings verbally or when presenting related documentation is a crime with a penalty of up to five years in prison.

I thought Trump was going to be impeached by now?

And I've quoted the history of these types of investigations. They usually take three years on average. Being thorough while investigating election tampering by a foreign power and a presidential campaign for collusion is not going to take five minutes.
You don't seem to understand that due diligence is required. For anything.

Is perjury enough of a no-no to fire Comey?

Is this like the Donald Trump Jr story where we get versions?
Trump stated on National TV why he fired former FBI Director Comey.
Why don't you just report the final version with a dozen Russians, Jared, and Trump in the conservatory with a candlestick? Yawn.

 

[LiquidMethod]

You don't seem to understand that due diligence is required. For anything.

You don't seem to understand that due diligence is required. For everyone.

 

[Scrofula]

She was referring to how it takes a while to do a real investigation.

Combing through old reddit jokes is fast, but not a real investigation.

ergo, touche

 

[LiquidMethod]

What Happened? Hillary’s New Book Sees Price Slash of 40% by Amazon, Walmart Before Release

Hillary's excuse-a-thon/book isn't off to a great start, unsurprisingly.
The book is basically 100% BS.

 

[alasdairm]

^ have you read it? care to post a couple or three excerpts and demonstrate how they are b.s.?

alasdair

 

[LiquidMethod]

Hillary Clinton Reads A Page From Her New Book

Hillary Clinton Blames Bernie Sanders for Election Loss

So she cheats Sanders and then blames him for her loss? She doesn't want to take any responsibility? Tell you what have a read of it and let me know if she mentions how she let multiple governments steal classified information and if that had something to do with her loss.

My bet is that she skips over that point and blames Russia, who were originally accused of hacking the DNC but that turned out to be a nothing-burger.
She lost because she's a criminal and a piece of shit. But I know she won't be mentioning that in the book so that's how I know it is lies.

 

[Scrofula]

Sanders fucked her over; the DNC fucked him back. If I was her, I'd be bitter too. I think her memoirs are a fair enough place for her to vent about it. No I'm not buying them either.

And her emails, yes, heard of those, don't care it's over.

I just realized, the alleged DNC hackers are what provided the pizzagate sleuths with their bombshell pedo decoder, by way of a guy wanted for sexual assualt. But since it wasn't the Russians, who was it?

 

[LiquidMethod]

Sanders fucked her over

How exactly? By being more popular? After they completely fucked him he still endorsed her.
He also could have gone way harder on her in the debates but didn't.

And her emails, yes, heard of those, don't care it's over.

If Trump did the exact same thing - put classified files is his private emails - you wouldn't stfu about it.

I just realized, the alleged DNC hackers are what provided the pizzagate sleuths with their bombshell pedo decoder, by way of a guy wanted for sexual assualt. But since it wasn't the Russians, who was it?

Not necessarily. The "DNC hackers" may have been an internal leaker. That's where the evidence points anyway. The Podesta emails may have been someone else, his emails were obtained through a basic phishing scam. A teenager in the basement of his mom's house could've obtained Podesta's emails. Also apparently his password was simply "p@ssw0rd".
These (alleged) pedos are getting pretty careless, posting obvious photos on the instagrams of their businesses and having ridiculously lax cybersecurity. How long has Podesta been in this game for??

What never made sense about the whole Russian hackers accusation: if it was Russians leaking all this shit, then they could have just released far more damaging intel that they lifted directly from Clinton's illegal server. What makes more sense is the theory of Seth Rich, working IT for the DNC witnessing his hero Bernie getting screwed over. He then releases the DNC's emails and that is exactly what we learned from them. Wasserman-Schulz & Brazile lost their jobs and Clinton with the DNC were exposed to have cheated Bernie. In that case it is possible that the catalyst for Clinton losing the election was Seth Rich - who wound up murdered - after the DNC's servers were breached but before Wikileaks published their emails.

 

[Scrofula]

"Sanders fucked her over"

How exactly? By being more popular? After they completely fucked him he still endorsed her.
He also could have gone way harder on her in the debates but didn't.

OK, like what are you trying to get at with replies like this? Contrary for the sake of contrary? Why would you want to know how I think Sanders fucked her over? How could he be more popular if she won the nomination? That one, at least, is one person one vote across the country.

And then he endorsed her like of course he fucking did. That's how it always goes, how he said it would go. I talk about it above in posts that aren't directly replying to you.

And then you claim he held back on her. OK, maybe. I could ask for evidence for that, but i don't care. How does something from the losing party election, that was wrapped up over a year ago, relate to anything right now? That's not rhetorical.

OK, I see, conspiracies and pizzagate. Bernie gettin burned motivated some temp to reveal shit. Bernie being unfavored by the chair is not a huge scandal. It's like drama at the Homeowner's Association, not a constitutional crisis. Bernie's team would never do something so stupid to "get back at the evil witch". They supported her from the beginning.
They work for the DNC, they're party die-hards, true believers who knew how this would turn out.

I could go in to why I didn't like Bernie as an actual nominee, but that's right I did already in this thread.

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You understand that "Hillary's server" in the basement of the Sec State mansion, set up by her predecessor Colin Powell, a General who also stored emails on it that may or may not have been classified but we don't know because THAT wasn't disqualifying prison-sentence investigation material, just emails; isn't just a url, right? ftp or a dropbox folder? An Instagram account? Not something you could reach with your browser, with a big geocities banner that says "here's the classified files, world!" and flying toasters.

And how much do people want to bet that it's of course still there and being used by Tillerson in the same way? Or something much less secure iike whatever phone tweets out of Trump's bathroom at 4am.

 

[LiquidMethod]

OK, like what are you trying to get at with replies like this? Contrary for the sake of contrary? Why would you want to know how I think Sanders fucked her over? How could he be more popular if she won the nomination?

Funny you decide to answer my one rhetorical question. I asked it because I knew you couldn't answer it as it was questioning a lie.

And then you claim he held back on her. OK, maybe. I could ask for evidence for that,

Watch her debates with Trump. That's what I expected from Bernie. Obviously not to the same level, but when Sanders refused to call her out on legitimate shit I withdrew all support for him.

How does something from the losing party election, that was wrapped up over a year ago, relate to anything right now? That's not rhetorical.

How does the DNC colluding to rig the primaries still matter? It does, you can trust me on this.

Bernie gettin burned motivated some temp to reveal shit. Bernie being unfavored by the chair is not a huge scandal.

It is a huge scandal and it is illegal. Hundreds of millions of dollars were donated to the Sanders campaign, only because the DNC publicly claimed to be impartial when selecting candidates. This was a lie and they committed fraud. People lost their jobs over it and now nobody with a brain trusts the DNC.
Bro, I thought you were supposed to be a scientist? How can you ignore the facts of what happened?

You understand that "Hillary's server" in the basement of the Sec State mansion, set up by her predecessor Colin Powell, a General who also stored emails on it that may or may not have been classified but we don't know because THAT.......And how much do people want to bet that it's of course still there and being used by Tillerson in the same way? Or something much less secure iike whatever phone tweets out of Trump's bathroom at 4am.

I don't want to hear about your baseless conspiracy theories. And you're basically saying that if your predecessor commits serious crimes and endangers national security, then you should be able to as well. So that means Tillerson can send classified information outside of secure government networks. Fucking stupid suggestion.

Nobody likes Hillary Clinton and it is the worst (or the dumbest) people that defend her:

Trump won less votes in Wisconsin than Romney in 2012 - and he still won the state.
Trump won fewer votes than Bush in 2004 in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Bush lost those states, Trump won them.
Hillary = garbage candidate.

 

[LiquidMethod]

 

[Scrofula]

Ok, there's a lot of . . . stuff in there, but sometimes something sticks out.

How does the DNC colluding to rig the primaries still matter? It does, you can trust me on this.

Now, I know you're not American, but I think political parties work similarly in most western democracies; still, I'll give you the benefit again, since plenty of Americans are also confused.

The DNC (and RNC) is a private thing. A club. They write their own rules, and get to decide what to do with money donated to them. In fact, I think the DNC is just an umbrella for all the state chapters, which all write their own rules.

They don't have to have a vote at all to put forth a nominee for president. They could, if they wanted, put forth two nominees. Presumably though, they actually want a politician from their club to win the pres. election.

THe chair could have decided last year to get her board or whatever together, to go over their bylaws and decide that 2016 they were only accepting applications for nomination from women. Instead they did some sneakier stuff when they realized Bernie wasn't as helpful as he said he would be. A purely civil matter that got settled in court based on their bylaws. Same as when your homeowners association puts a lien on your house cause of the plastic flamingos you refuse to take down.

It's not an actual part of the US government, and Americans (who probably all believe they do) have no need or obligation to ever "join" a party, although if they ever run for office, it would be a good idea (I am not a member of any political party).

So, saying the DNC colluded to rig the primaries doesn't make any sense. The DNC all by itself sets the rules for its primaries--each party get its own primary, because they're just deciding among themselves which one they'll put on the Nov. ballot, you know, testing them out on the Americans who think it's actually part of government. They could have told Sanders, fuck you, not on ballot, we'll go with the lawsuit later, and it still would have been private club business, and probably happens all the time in more openly dirty ways.

But the interns who work for them, they'd be all in for Hillary, idealistic young college kids; the most angry Bernie supporter there, who went forward in time to hear about the screwing Sanders got, would light himself on fire before he'd risk a Republican advantage.

These are all things that must be considered before coming up with an intricate theory of lies and deception.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Now, I know you're not American, but I think political parties work similarly in most western democracies; still, I'll give you the benefit again, since plenty of Americans are also confused.

I'm an American citizen even though I currently don't live there. And I know far more about this scandal than you do, so you can drop the patronizing tone.

The DNC (and RNC) is a private thing. A club. They write their own rules, and get to decide what to do with money donated to them. In fact, I think the DNC is just an umbrella for all the state chapters, which all write their own rules.

Yes, and in the DNC's charter they claim to be impartial. This was the basis of the class-action fraud lawsuit against them.
Their excuse in court? (paraphrasing) "Not many people would have actually read the Charter therefore they would not have been under the impression that we claimed impartiality".
But ya still did, deceptive cunts..

So, saying the DNC colluded to rig the primaries doesn't make any sense. The DNC all by itself sets the rules for its primaries--each party get its own primary, because they're just deciding among themselves which one they'll put on the Nov. ballot, you know, testing them out on the Americans who think it's actually part of government. They could have told Sanders, fuck you, not on ballot, we'll go with the lawsuit later, and it still would have been private club business, and probably happens all the time in more openly dirty ways.

Their own words were exposed. We have their emails. We know what happened. You can no longer deny it.

These are all things that must be considered before coming up with an intricate theory of lies and deception.

It's not intricate. Wasserman-Schulz had to step down.

DNC argues it had the right to rig 2016 democratic primary

You can argue that the DNC had the right to rig the primaries (which is what they claim), but there is no denying that they rigged it at the same time that they were claiming impartiality. So in a way you are correct, but this makes the DNC look extremely bad. Why would anyone ever donate to a specific candidate again?