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Charlottesville, Virginia

Its mighty stupid of the city to grant permits to such polarizing groups though.
What did they expect?? Peaceful dialogue??

Well the Mayor holds a PHD in Political Science from USC Berkley: he's an expert.

Please do not doubt his judgement.


He wanted this to happen, or maybe he made a mistake. I will not judge him harshly. would you?

Given his education he thought everyone would just exchange flowers and go home peacefully.

Can I possibly be wrong?
 
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And of course, the mayor of a city and the school he went to make a good proxy for . . . what, exactly?

I know that after the second civil war was over--fifty million were dead before the rest of the world picked the bones--students of history will debate if the mayor of that town went to Berkeley or USC.

The long-standing mystery of whether proper permits were issued will persist forever.
 
Well with 2 cops for every Nazi plus National Guards over that count you think that he'd be able to control things.

Where were the cops when this happened?

Why did it take over 15 minutes for them to respond.
That's over 1, 000 cops for 500 Racisists.


I'm very impressed.

Did they want this to happen?
 
Wait, now it's the cops? Who else is at fault? I bet the street sweepers missed at least one piece of trash that someone tripped over in the scuffle.

Let's get it over with, make a fault/comparison list, and order them according to random stats and perceptions of violence, so y'all can score by shitting on various leftist groups, or perceived leftist schools (USC? Really?). Feel free to include 9/11 and Ghenghis Khan.

Make sure you leave out the nazis and the Trump campaign. I don't know why but you seem to have an awful hard time putting the blame at their feet.
 
Are you denying that the city of Charlettville had 1000 cops to 500 Nazi's well in advance, with time to plan; and still stood down?
 
Given his education he thought everyone would just exchange flowers and go home peacefully.
no, which is why he deployed a lot of police but...

Well with 2 cops for every Nazi plus National Guards over that count you think that he'd be able to control things.
so now you criticise him for too many police?

and i'm sure if the cops acted sooner, you'd be all over the mayor and the cops for stifling freedom of expression?

make your mind up.

alasdair
 
so now you criticise him for too many police?

and i'm sure if the cops acted sooner, you'd be all over the mayor and the cops for stifling freedom of expression?

make your mind up.

I keep researching this terrible incident, forgive me if I adapt as more info is available.


First of all: This is terrible, no matter which side you are on.

I'm still trying to make sense of of all. If you have an unchanging view of what happened, can I ask you if you are really taking things under account as you find the information, don't you change your view? or it it a fixed ideological explanation?

For those of us who are trying to actually make sense of it all, our views opinions etc. can actually change as facts become more available. Please forgive me if you know everything in advance and can pass judgement instantly without discussion.

As I have researched it, the city tried to deny the group and having been unable to deny them the right to march, chose to respond accordingly.

Now I may be wrong, but they had plenty of time to plan for this, although we, the average Joe, knew little about the oncoming situation.


I totally agree that they are Nazis and assholes, but don't you think that the "world" having actually time to listen to these assholes would have come to a judgement as to what they were without the violence if they had been permitted to talk freely?

Let them talk their SHIT without provoking violence. Or are the rest of America too stupid to judge for themselves? This was the opportunity for America to hear what they had to say and "What kind of bullshit is this?"

Instead Charlottevillle muddied the water so that the Nazi's got ink. Y0u can't be so foolish as to think that this is a good thing.

One person Died, and there is still controversy. How much better it would have been to let the NAZI'S stick their foot in their mouths.


No, no... much better to play this foolish leftish game!

good press, a crisis not wasted!

Yeah!
 
there's no point, liquidmethod, because you've made it clear that when people substantiate their points, you just brush it off and say 'nah' anyway.
I'll say nah when it's nah, and yes when it's yes.

but way to take a stand on an important principle. it's just the neo-nazis, the neo-nazi-sympathizing president and you. you are the company you keep?
Yes I take a stand on the important principle of truth. Demonizing someone for being a racist or a nazi sans evidence is not what I consider an admirable principle.

I really don't give a fuck about where the line is where one can officially be considered a racist or white supremacist.
lol you can say that again. It gets in the way of being able to label everyone you disagree with a "Nazi". Keep those lines blurred and the ignorance high.


Trump doesn't support white nationalists and the KKK? They sure seem to think he does, maybe he should be a little clearer about it.
You mean LIKE HERE? How fucking clear do you want him to be? Daily condemnations maybe? (I've noticed nobody so far has commented on this video - surprise! it destroys your deceitful narrative) Trump is responsible for the opinions of every one of his supporters, even though he has denounced racism for over a decade?


"Both sides do it" is pleasantly short, monosyllabic, but very wrong.
It is actually completely true. Both sides engage in violence and terrorism. It's kinda confusing to see so many people deservedly disavow white supremacists and right-wing terrorists, yet fail to denounce any terrorism emanating from the Left. No wonder they get labeled hypocrites.
 
that really is some next-level shitposting..


now, i think this is really quite moving - the good people of charlottesville have reclaimed the space invaded by these miserable nazis last weekend.

this time the flames were in candles and the message was one of solidarity and hope.

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fuck nazis, and shame on anyone who is apologising for them.
 
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fuck nazis, and shame on anyone who is apologising for them.
i tend to agree.

my suspicion that there is pretty much nothing some trump supporters will not apologise for is confirmed.

as john oliver said the other night "...in a country where previous presidents have actually had to defeat Nazis, we now have one who cannot even be bothered to fucking condemn them"

what a sorry, so easily avoidable affair...

alasdair
 
Fuck Nazis and fuck disgusting left-wing terrorists too.

which ones?
this whole schtick of yours - of bullshitting and obfuscating like trump - isn't a good look.

he's a grubby racist, and people that still support him are starting to look the same way - whether they are or not.

whether you believe it or not is irrelevant; people have given more than enough evidence that trump is a racist.

you've dug a very deep hole for yourself.


the thing about trump that is really staggering is that he still managing to hit new lows on a weekly basis - sometimes several times a week!
i really hate to think what outrage he will stumble upon next. this war stuff is deeply unsettling.

but in the aftermath of charlottesville, it seems like a lot of people are realising the extent of the problem - and thread - posed by nazis.
i've been watching the developments on the extreme right for years, but seeing a global media spotlight shone upon their activities seems to be having some interesting effects (such as reducing the poor dears to blubbering wrecks).
i've also heard that several of the organisers have been fired by their employers.
i think these people believed that racism is acceptable throughout american society now. that's one of the dangers of living in an echo-chamber.
 
forgive me if I adapt as more info is available.


First of all: This is terrible, no matter which side you are on.

I'm still trying to make sense of of all. If you have an unchanging view of what happened, can I ask you if you are really taking things under account as you find the information, don't you change your view? or it it a fixed ideological explanation?

I'll prepare for your adaptations. First of all: which "side" are you on exactly?

I DO have an unchanging view of what happened: a white power group held a rally, later one of them drove a car into people intentionally, killing one. I honestly don't know any more details than that, and don't feel I need to. New details have emerged and more will come, but I don't expect it to change what happened.

That's great that you claim intellectual flexibility. I like to think my brain can touch its toes, but some things are pretty well set, like the sweeping history of race relations in the US and events of the first half of the twentieth century.

Please forgive me if you know everything in advance and can pass judgement instantly without discussion.

I totally agree that they are Nazis and assholes, but don't you think that the "world" having actually time to listen to these assholes would have come to a judgement as to what they were without the violence if they had been permitted to talk freely?

I can forgive you for a lot, defending white nationalism isn't one of them, and I do pass judgement on them and their supporters. I think the "world" has heard them for the last 400 years. I think the world hears them every time our head of state speaks. America knows what they had to say. America's heard it all before.

What's ironic is it's considered "leftish" when groups like the ACLU sue to allow unpopular groups to speak. And you seem to forget they were allowed to speak. They got themselves ink by committing murder.

There isn't any controversy, what happened is simple. And White nationalism is un-redeemable. Fascism is un-redeemable.

Already this thread the conspiracies have been tested and new talking points tried out. The city and the permits, secret campus sabateurs, black people did it somehow, the mayor is a hippie, the cops secretly let it happen, did you hear Muslims did 9/11, the Sandy Hook shooter did it, I saw Trump try to stop the driver!

Why are you trying to avoid the easy fact that racists killed a person? Is it your support for Trump and his campaign's culpability? Let the fucker go already! He's been a lame duck since the beginning.
 
which ones?
The ones you refuse to denounce. Why don't you condemn political violence in general?

he's a grubby racist, and people that still support him are starting to look the same way - whether they are or not.
Only in the eyes of complete fucking retards who haven't bothered to educate themselves or are pushing an ideological agenda. Equating all Trump supporters together with Nazis is what exacerbated this problem, and it is the worst possible thing you could do for your cause and your credibility.

whether you believe it or not is irrelevant; people have given more than enough evidence that trump is a racist.
Nope. I've spent the last few days trying to get to the bottom of this and asking openly and honestly for people to prove that Trump is a racist. None of you self-proclaimed educated and enlightened individuals have been able to do so. I understand how frustrating that must be for you, to have blatantly bought into such a massive lie and be unable to defend it.

you've dug a very deep hole for yourself.
lololololol......right.... I'm not concerned at all by any of your hysterical and emotional accusations.

the thing about trump that is really staggering is that he still managing to hit new lows on a weekly basis - sometimes several times a week!
Overall he keeps winning and his supporters are generally happy with his progress (the problems mostly come from both parties colluding to obstruct him from making changes).

i really hate to think what outrage he will stumble upon next. this war stuff is deeply unsettling.
Yeah, because Trump is conducting less wars than all the previous presidents who pandered to the military-industrial complex by invading countries. You are speaking complete nonsense, trademark of the irrational Trump-hater and hysterical Left-wing terrorist. What war stuff? How many people has Trump killed in war? How many wars has he started? How much do you hear about Syria now? Pre-Trump we were heading for a war with Russia via Syrian proxy armies. Trump cut funding to these jihadi head-choppers. Great move by Trump.

but in the aftermath of charlottesville, it seems like a lot of people are realising the extent of the problem - and thread - posed by nazis.
Lmao, what threat exactly? Neo-Nazis are nothing new, and there is no new wave of attacks so quit acting as if there is. They have no power and no credibility. The threat is opposing groups engaging them in violent conflicts. Antifa (designated a terrorist organization by NJ Homeland Security) are also a massive problem. They've consistently shut down conservative voices (who had nothing to do with Nazism) and they are going to keep pushing right-wingers to the extreme with their illegal (yet socially-accepted) behavior.

i think these people believed that racism is acceptable throughout american society now. that's one of the dangers of living in an echo-chamber.
The problem is people are being labeled racists when they are not even racists. This is dangerous.
Racism is a serious problem but as soon as you begin to mis-diagnose that problem and call good, well-meaning people racists - then you become a part of the problem too.
You need to seriously reevaluate what you've been led to believe and what you stand for in general.

Do you denounce all violence and terrorism? Or only the stuff emanating from the right?
 
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