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It is nonsense though. None of this stuff is even vaguely supported by fact.
It's weaponised propaganda for the sort of people that don't seem to demand evidence before they believe something.
Like everything trump says, i think it's utter jibberish.
Y'know, like "internet taxes".

"Legitimate circumstantial evidence" is, ultimately, still circumstantial evidence.
I explained at length in this thread earlier today why i think conspiracy theories are - by and large - a total distraction from real issues.
"Pizzagate" is nothing but conjecture.
Where are the victims, if this is some conspiracy?
It's impossible to investigate something - or even refute it - if there's no evidence anything happened in the first place.

It's trumpian dog whistling. The irony is that trump associates with real paedophiles, and has himself been accused of several sexual assaults.
Nothing but distraction. It's the only trick trump is capable of, politically.
It's really a bleak indication of how low the tone of american politics has slumped to that anyone even taking this seriously.

Sorry to be dismissive, but it's like these "flat earth" people. There's really nothing there that's vaguely convincing; it's dog whistling.

I always wonder if it's satire, but ....well, it seems sadly that it is not :(
 
It's impossible to investigate something - or even refute it - if there's no evidence anything happened in the first place.
Ha, tell that to the Democrats "investigating" Trump.

You can launch an investigation based on circumstantial evidence or probable cause. Investigating is how you find more solid evidence or absolve someone. This is basic shit. You are attempting to deflect. When that involves possible child trafficking victims and pedophilia is when I start to doubt someone's integrity and moral character. The only way to interpret your post is that you are a Democrat and/or never-Trumper and you have a vested interest in not investigating these people linked to the Democratic Party. Don't worry it also implicates Republicans. You should want to know if there are pedophile rings operating within the government. Again I point you to the Marc Dutroux case if you're still in la-la land about this actually being possible.

Serious question: have you looked at the instagram of James Alefantis? Do the pictures he posted cause you any concern or throw up any red flags? Do you think the pictures and themes he was posting were appropriate for a child-friendly restaurant?

If you can't answer these questions then you should not be commenting as you are just aiding the disinformation and obfuscation of the facts. I'd be more inclined to take you seriously if you understood the claims leveled and argued the evidence. Calling something a conspiracy theory to dismiss it doesn't work anymore because conspiracies do exist. In fact, conspiracy is a crime. To debunk something you actually have to debunk it.

Also who are the pedophiles Trump associates with?
 
Jeffrey Epstein is a Trump associate who ran a paedophile ring.

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The one weird court case linking Trump, Clinton, and a billionaire pedophile

NEW YORK CITY, NY - MARCH 15: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell attend de Grisogono Sponsors The 2005 Wall Street Concert Series Benefitting Wall Street Rising, with a Performance by Rod Stewart at Cipriani Wall Street on March 15, 2005 in New York City. (Photo by Joe Schildhorn/Patrick McMullan via Getty Images)
A woman's lawsuit claims she was recruited nearly two decades ago into sexual slavery by socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, then the girlfriend of billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who ran the sex-trafficking ring. Epstein and Maxwell are pictured above in 2005.

A woman suing in connection with Jeffrey Epstein’s underage sex ring claims she was first approached while working as a towel girl at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort.

NEW YORK—A woman who claims in a lawsuit that she was lured into a sex-trafficking ring run by billionaire Jeffrey Epstein contends that the depravity began at a Florida resort now known as the winter White House: Mar-a-Lago.

Virginia Giuffre’s civil suit, scheduled to go to trial here later this month, threatens to expose new details of a long-running saga tying together President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton, Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta, and other prominent figures, including Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz.


Epstein, a well-connected Manhattan money manager and philanthropist, was once a regular at Mar-a-Lago and an active supporter of the Clinton Foundation—repeatedly lending his 727 jet to Clinton for trips overseas. Dershowitz defended Epstein amid an investigation into his involvement with underage girls more than a decade ago, and it was Acosta—then the U.S. attorney overseeing south Florida—who allowed Epstein’s case to be resolved in state court in 2008.

The scandal has spawned a series of drawn-out civil suits, including Giuffre’s.

Giuffre, formerly Roberts, claims she was 15 and working as a towel girl at Trump’s posh Palm Beach club when she was recruited nearly two decades ago into sexual slavery by socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, then Epstein’s girlfriend.

A lawyer for Trump says the president was unaware of any wrongdoing by Epstein.

The case is scheduled for a May 15 trial, but a final pretrial conference was abruptly canceled Thursday. The development raised suspicions that some type of settlement could be in the works.

In recent months, the suit attracted the attention of pro-Trump blogger Mike Cernovich, who intervened in the case in an unsuccessful push to release a large volume of blacked-out court filings.

“I want to know what’s really going on and we can’t get it,” Cernovich told POLITICO. “This is a big story. My people care.”

Epstein pleaded guilty to two charges: solicitation of prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution. He served 13 months in a county jail and paid financial settlements to many of the roughly 40 women the FBI deemed to be his victims, including Giuffre.

Giuffre asserts in her complaint that Maxwell, the sole defendant in the suit and the daughter of late publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, routinely recruited underaged girls for Epstein and was doing so when she approached the $9-an-hour locker room attendant at Mar-a-Lago in 1999 about giving massages to the wealthy investment banker.

Giuffre alleges that Maxwell ultimately trained her in how to give “massages” to Epstein that involved sex acts and, essentially, prostitution. When Maxwell publicly denied the allegations and called Giuffre a liar in 2015, that gave her the opening to head to federal court and file the defamation suit now headed for trial.

An attorney for Giuffre, Brad Edwards, indicated her lawyers plan to keep the focus on the central allegation in the case.

“We are trying to vindicate Virginia. What she said all along is she was recruited by Maxwell and abused by Epstein,” Edwards said. “That’s what this trial is going to be about and that’s what is going to be proven beyond any doubt. We’re looking forward to proving that.”

An attorney for Maxwell did not respond to requests for comment. In court papers, Maxwell has denied knowledge of or involvement in any illegality. A lawyer for Epstein did not return messages seeking comment; he’s repeatedly invoked his 5th Amendment rights in depositions in the Giuffre suit and other cases.

Epstein, 64, was a regular for several years at Mar-a-Lago. Testimony in a prior court case indicated that Trump flew at least once on one of the planes Epstein owned and Trump’s phone numbers were in Epstein’s personal phone directory.

Trump has also indicated publicly he knew of Epstein’s interest in “younger” women, although he never suggested the financier crossed any legal lines. “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,’’ Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

On Monday, lawyers for Maxwell informed the judge that they wanted to ask potential jurors about their knowledge of rape and sexual harassment allegations leveled at Trump during the presidential contest.

Maxwell’s legal team wants to ask the jury pool if they know about suits filed—then dropped or dismissed—alleging that Trump and Epstein raped a teen at Epstein’s Manhattan residence.

Trump denied the charges. The suits were withdrawn amid media scrutiny, although one attorney for an unnamed accuser said she backed out due to threats.

When the pretrial hearing was scuttled, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Sweet—a 94-year-old Carter appointee--overseeing Maxwell’s suit—appeared to be on the verge of making a decision on what both sides would be allowed to ask jurors about Trump, Clinton, Dershowitz and others.

Trump Organization attorney Alan Garten said Trump had no relationship with Epstein. “As I have previously explained, he had no relationship with Mr. Epstein and had no knowledge whatsoever of his conduct,” Garten said Tuesday. “This has all been reported countless times in the press.”

Maxwell’s lawyers appear likely to try to discredit Giuffre by painting her as a fabulist and serial liar—and have signaled they may drag other prominent figures into the proceedings.

Over the years, Giuffre has claimed that while traveling with Epstein she saw Clinton on Epstein’s private island and once ate with Vice President Al Gore and his then-wife Tipper. Maxwell’s attorneys have signaled plans to explore both claims at the trial.

A Freedom of Information Act request for Secret Service records of visits Clinton may have made to Epstein’s Little St. James Island produced no such evidence. However, Epstein’s own lawyers once sought to capitalize on his ties to the former president, claiming during plea negotiations a decade ago that the financier “was part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative”—a

In addition, Clinton and Hollywood guests including Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker toured AIDS projects in Africa in 2002 aboard a 727 jet Epstein owned.

A spokeswoman for Clinton did not respond to a request for comment.

Clinton’s ties to Epstein became an issue during the recent presidential race. Reince Priebus, then chairman of the Republican National Committee, was among Republicans who demanded a full accounting of the former president’s dealings with Epstein. “When you hang out with a guy who has a reputation like Jeffrey Epstein, multiple times, on private jets, on weekends, on trips, on places at least where it’s been reported not very good things happen, it would be good to know what our former president was doing, especially because it appears he’s going to be part of a campaign ticket on the other side of the aisle,” Priebus told Bloomberg in 2015.

Priebus is now Trump’s White House chief of staff. Trump has never offered a similar chronicle of his contacts with Epstein. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Trump’s ties to Epstein have triggered speculation that Cernovich might be gathering information on those who’ve leveled sex-related accusations at Trump or trying to collect information damaging to Trump for his own purposes. The blogger warned last month that he might release a “motherlode” of dirt on top White House officials if Trump adviser Steve Bannon was fired.

Cernovich insists his interest in the Epstein saga has nothing to do with the president. “The only Trump hook, in theory is that a lot of Trump supporters, including me, do believe there is some shady s--- going on as far as child trafficking,” the blogger said. He was among those who fanned conspiracy theories online about high-profile Democrats operating a child-sex ring out of a Washington pizzeria, which resulted in an armed North Carolina man who claimed he was trying to investigate the claims firing shots inside the restaurant.

Many of the court filings in the Giuffre case have been almost completely blacked out in public court files. First Amendment advocates say the degree of secrecy is both uncommon and disturbing. “This is pretty unusual to see this level of redaction,” said Katie Townsend of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

On Wednesday, Judge Sweet turned down Cernovich’s motion to unseal the court records. “Because of the sensitive nature of the materials designated as confidential, involving allegations of sexual abuse and trafficking of minors, and because we are mere weeks from assembling a jury for trial , the importance of leaving these materials protected…outweighs any public interest in their publication at this time,” the judge wrote.

Critics say the wholesale sealing goes far beyond what’s necessary to address that concern.

“When these things are eventually opened, I hope we see the nuclear launch codes in there because I’ve never seen anything like this,” Cernovich attorney Marc Randazza said. A lawyer for the New York Post and Daily News tabloids also sent a letter to the judge Thursday complaining about the secrecy.

Dershowitz, a former Epstein attorney, is among those who welcomed Cernovich’s efforts. POLITICO reported in 2014 that Giuffre had filed court papers accusing several prominent Epstein acquaintances of taking part in her sexual abuse, including Dershowitz and British royal Prince Andrew.

Dershowitz and the prince flatly denied the allegations. The Harvard professor and renowned attorney accused Epstein’s lawyers—including a former federal judge—of unethical conduct, prompting them to sue Dershowitz for defamation. The case was settled last year after Giuffre’s attorneys admitted it was a “mistake” to level the charge in a court filing, although they said their client stood by the allegation.

Dershowitz said Tuesday he wants evidence in the Maxwell suit made public because it supports his claims that Giuffre made up the story about him. “I would like [the] discovery unsealed. My deposition is already unsealed. I have nothing to hide. The other side is trying to hide the truth,” he said in response to a query from POLITICO.

The same 2014 court filing also accused Maxwell of a being “a co-conspirator in Epstein’s sexual abuse” and of taking “numerous sexually explicit pictures of underage girls involved in sexual activities, including” Giuffre.

That filing prompted Maxwell to issue a press statement dismissing Giuffre’s accusations as “obvious lies.”

While the accusations against Maxwell are key to the pending suit, it is framed as a defamation case, alleging that Maxwell’s denials were false and that they wrongfully damaged Giuffre’s reputation.

The looming trial has all the hallmarks of an epic courtroom battle. Giuffre is being represented by a legal team including Sigrid McCawley of Boies Schiller, the hard-charging law firm whose founder David Boies argued for Vice President Al Gore in the litigation over the 2000 presidential election.

“This case is part of a broader effort of our Firm to provide legal assistance to victims of sex trafficking and other abuse, and to try to fight future sex trafficking by drawing attention to the problem and making traffickers pay for their crimes,” Boies told POLITICO via email.

Maxwell also has an aggressive set of litigators seeking to protect both her reputation and what appear to be at least tens of millions of dollars in assets that could be in jeopardy if she loses the case. Her lead counsel, Laura Menninger, is an experienced trial attorney from Denver firm Haddon, Morgan and Foreman.

“We fundamentally disagree with plaintiff’s attempts to litigate this public-figure defamation action as a sex-abuse and sex-trafficking case, and we object to the Court’s rulings that have permitted plaintiff to litigate the case in that way,” Menninger wrote in a court filing last week. “We have raised numerous legal issues with the Court, and the Court has erred in denying those issues.”

The Giuffre suit isn’t the only one still pending in the aftermath of Epstein’s conviction. Another lawsuit accusing Acosta’s former office of illegally keeping victims in the dark about the plea deal is still proceeding in a Florida federal court.

Critics have suggested Acosta blessed called a “sweetheart” deal in which Epstein escaped prosecution on federal charges in exchange for his plea to the two state solicitation offenses.

Acosta’s handling of the Epstein case came up at his confirmation hearings in March, where Acosta defended the deal, saying it was a “broadly held” view in his office that ending the federal probe without charges was appropriate if Epstein pled guilty in state court and registered as a sex offender.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) listed the ex-prosecutor’s actions in the matter as the first of several reasons she voted against him. “His handling of a case involving sex trafficking of underage girls when he was a U.S. attorney suggests he won’t put the interests of workers and everyday people ahead of the powerful and well-connected,” Feinstein wrote. “Acosta cut Epstein a favorable deal without consulting or even informing the victims. As a longtime advocate for the rights of crime victims, I find this deeply disturbing.”

Ben Schreckinger contributed to this report.
 
Trump associate? Did you read the whole thing?

Over the years, Giuffre has claimed that while traveling with Epstein she saw Clinton on Epstein’s private island and once ate with Vice President Al Gore and his then-wife Tipper. Maxwell’s attorneys have signaled plans to explore both claims at the trial.

A Freedom of Information Act request for Secret Service records of visits Clinton may have made to Epstein’s Little St. James Island produced no such evidence. However, Epstein’s own lawyers once sought to capitalize on his ties to the former president, claiming during plea negotiations a decade ago that the financier “was part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative”

Epstein was allegedly running a pedophile blackmail operation on his island. Trump is alleged to have flown on his private jet once, however flight logs show that Hillary Clinton flew on the plane dubbed the 'Lolita Express' six times and Bill Clinton twenty times. So by your logic they are much closer associates to pedophile Epstein. Trump even once banned Epstein from his club for harassing the young daughter of a member there. https://youtu.be/maRT3TEcRLs It seems Trump was originally friendly with Epstein and commented on his love for young girls, but once Trump found out what he was really up to he cut ties with the pedophile. The Clintons did not.

The same Clintons that organized the release of convicted child trafficker Laura Silsby in Haiti when she was caught red-handed trafficking children. And this is all around the Clinton Global Initiative's operations in Haiti, which convicted pedophile Epstein claims he helped set up, according to your source.

Who really comes off as more of a pedo?
 
The guy who openly admitted he deliberately walked in on Ms. Teen USA pageant to see the contestants bodies while dressing? Ewww.

I also heard from an alternative source that the Russian hookahs in the pp tape were underage.
Ergo Trump!!
 
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Wow, a moderator of this sub-forum that goes straight for an ad hom instead of displaying a willingness to dissect evidence and argue a point like an adult. Isn't that against the rules?

No ad hom intended. The whole pizza gate theory reminds me of when a pal of mine went on some medication that made him end up thinking he was seeing evidence of a vast plot in random bits of graffiti.
 
The guy who openly admitted he deliberately walked in on Ms. Teen USA pageant to see the contestants bodies while dressing? Ewww.

I also heard from an alternative source that the Russian hookahs in the pp tape were underage.
Ergo Trump!!

Fake news.
 
No ad hom intended. The whole pizza gate theory reminds me of when a pal of mine went on some medication that made him end up thinking he was seeing evidence of a vast plot in random bits of graffiti.

The difference is there is strong circumstantial evidence for this to be taken seriously. For some reason you are not. You refuse to answer any of my questions which says a lot. You remind me of a typical fearful Democrat that has a fondness for the figures implicated in this scandal so instead of being honest with yourself you are ridiculing to deflect it. Sad. Why don't you take a look at the evidence?
 
The guy who openly admitted he deliberately walked in on Ms. Teen USA pageant to see the contestants bodies while dressing? Ewww.

I also heard from an alternative source that the Russian hookahs in the pp tape were underage.
Ergo Trump!!
(Response to your question in your edit Reason)
Are You Fucking Kidding Me????


Do you see just how uncomfortable all the mothers look?


^^^^^
I wonder what a guy like that thinks his medal of freedom entitles him to?
 
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I love how trump supporters can't even defend the dirty old man without deflecting it onto the democrats.

Of course the dems are fucked. But it doesn't mean trump isn't a revolting pervert.

As for the word "cuck". It really makes people look stupid.
This is what happens when conservatives gut the US education system; a thoroughly dumbed-down population running around calling each other "cucks".

"Sad" as the creeper-in-chief would say in one of his dementia-and-coke twitter binges


As for looking at the "evidence" for this "scandal" - i find it pretty demoralising trying to read such stupid nonsense.
It's like trying to compose an informed rebuttal on the whole "moon landings were a hoax" brain fart.
What's the point?

You've been conned by a low-brow billionaire sex pest.
That's all there is to say really. It's not worth my time reading really dumb conspiracy garbage. They're unfounded, baseless allegations design to distract attention from the pillage upon your democratic institutions by some filthy rich dirty old man.

I'd focus on what trump is actually doing, if i was american. I'm really thankful i'm not american though...
 
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Of course the dems are fucked. But it doesn't mean trump isn't a revolting pervert.

I wouldn't go that far, but Trump most definitely likes the ladies, until he's caught sexually assaulting an intern I'll give him credit for being a real playboy and never did anything that could be brought to light.

If there was anything that was solid and irrefutable he would have lost the election because of it......but alas we have a future Emperor to grace the world.
 
He's a rich con artist.

I've noticed the trump trolls have been quiet of late; it's understandable, i'd be ashamed too if i were you.
What an embarassing mess.
 
This is what happens when conservatives gut the US education system; a thoroughly dumbed-down population running around calling each other "cucks".

dementia-and-coke twitter binges

We also suffer through cowards attacking people with masks and pussyhats

Do you honestly think a man of that age and weight could do cocaine on any regular basis and live?
 
Show me the evidence and I'll take a look. You refuse to look at the evidence for this scandal. Cuck.

Why do you think that someone who rejects Pizzagate has never looked into the evidence?

I have, and I find that Pizzagate is about as credible as Lemuria. Its pattern matching run amok. And, like most conspiracy theories, it's predictive powers are poor, which is not a sign of a good theory.

Also, using cuck as an insult tends to be about as effective as using beta as an insult. It says a lot more about you than the person you are insulting.
 
IMO pizzagate was a sick joke and ppl took advantage to round up some tinfoil hats and put them on a stampede.

Some big time weirdos are involved with that place, but I doubt they had anymore child trafficking than the local mcdonalds.

I think the Podesta's taste in "art" is a bigger tell than any of the emails.
 
You've been conned by a low-brow billionaire sex pest
Except this scandal has nothing to do with Trump. Somebody hacked Podesta's emails with a basic phishing scam and leaked his emails. That led to people discovering him speaking in code with his buddies. That also led to the restaurant Comet Ping Pong, and that all led to a lot of other incriminating evidence.

Why do you think that someone who rejects Pizzagate has never looked into the evidence? I have.
Because there is some very damning evidence that anyone with some semblance of intelligence would admit that there is something untoward going on. There is far too much smoke, and elite pedophile rings exist so labeling it a conspiracy theory is not enough to debunk it outright.

You say you've seen the evidence yet you still refuse to answer my question so for the 3rd time, do the instagram pictures posted by Alefantis concern you in any way?


Hi John, The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours?

Anyone care to explain, or even have a guess as to what this means?
 
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