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U.S. Cruise Missile Attack On Syrian Air Base

What does it matter if Russia was given an hour warning?

How many more times must i repeat myself to get an answer? Russia is not our ally, they are a hostile foreign power. I don't know how it can be made any simpler. He literally and explicitly gave aid and comfort to the enemy, not an ally, but a country that we have had mutual hostilities with for, shit, 40+ years now?
 
There's always been tension between U.S and Russia but they wouldn't really be classed as "the enemy" but because of the tension and potential for conflict America ensured there were no Russian troops in the target area.
if the decision for missile strikes was made then I think it was wise to make sure no Russians were unintentionally killed.
 
It's possible they'll blow up some more targets for show and that will give trump the excuse to talk things over with putin leading to lifted sanctions and becoming allies.
 
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Russia dislikes America but It fuckin hates isis.
 
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Russia dislikes America but It fuckin hates isis.

You don't become allied with another country merely by sharing a common enemy, it requires international treaties. Countries become allied by law and nothing less. Its a legal status, that's why Trump saying he wouldn't honor those treaties is such a big deal, its not just the law that requires it, meaning its illegal to not honor them, but also because international treaties are a big fucking deal.

by law if you attack a county's ally you're attacking both (or rather, every allied) countries.
 
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Is there ever a time when it is appropriate for the usa to stop genocide?

There are 2 circumstances where it would be appropriate for the USA to stop genocide.

1.) When it is the USA committing the genocide
2.) When the genocide is happening withing our own borders.


How many more times must i repeat myself to get an answer? Russia is not our ally, they are a hostile foreign power. I don't know how it can be made any simpler. He literally and explicitly gave aid and comfort to the enemy, not an ally, but a country that we have had mutual hostilities with for, shit, 40+ years now?

They also are the only country besides China that could blow the planet up multiple times over.

It would be lunacy to have done anything without warning them, do you really want full on war with Russia?

Killary wanted war with Russia and also wanted a world without borders, I and the many people I registered to vote, voted for neither.

We can defeat Russia economically without paying the entire world off in the process, with rising domestic oil production and a softening China we could keep them economically in check like we did in the 90's.
 
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I've been busy the past few days and so not 100% up to date on the news, but has anyone come forward with a reasonable explanation of why Assad would choose to use chemical weapons, knowing full well the international response that it would receive?

Previous chemical attacks didn't elicit the promised reprisal, I guess Assad could have assumed a continuation of that.

But yeah, none of this makes much sense. :\
 
But warning Russia would have informed the Syrians if Russians suddenly fled the base. Tactically, its pretty weird.
 
Yea that would make sense if killing Syrians was the goal but it wasn't, denying them use of the airbase was goal. As far as I'm aware that was achieved.
If russians were killed putin wouldn't stand for it and things could have got really bad.
 
Tathra I don't know about law. I also never said Russia and America were allies.
Im saying trump could use russias hate of Isis and Muslim extremeists to americas benefit.
 
Russia is not a US ally, but Russia is an ally of Syria (and Russia has explicitly stated THEY would retaliate if the US attacked Syria, so along with treason its more proof of trump's collusion with Russia). It would be like North Korea calling Britain to tell say they were about to attack the US. Informing the enemy's ally, who is also a hostile foreign power not our ally, is the same as directly informing the target. Not even arguing semantics and technicalities will work here.

I think a better analogy would be North Korea warning the US before it launched an attack on a South Korean base, in the case of the Syria strike and the hypothetical I just mentioned it is in the attacking states interest to try and mitigate the possibility of conflict with a nuclear power. I don't know what North Korea could possibly hope to gain out of warning the UK about an imminent attack on the US...

I don't see how the Trump administrations performance of an action which is contrary to Russia's interests and expressed desires is supposed to function as evidence of "trump's [sic] collusion with Russia", assuming that you are referring to the election scandal and not this isolated incident. I am interpreting you as referring to the former because it would be tautological to suggest an event functioned as proof of itself.

by law if you attack a county's ally you're attacking both (or rather, every allied) countries.

It depends what you mean by ally. I am under the impression that this is only true if the countries have a mutual defense treaty which places signatories under an obligation to intervene in the event of an attack. As far as I know there is no treaty of this nature between Russia and Syria, which is not to say that one doesn't exist. For the record I am aware that Syria and Russia are signatories to numerous bilateral and multilateral treaties, some of which stipulate some level of military cooperation between the two countries. However, "military cooperation" is fairly vague, and what is less clear is whether Russia is bound by some treaty to intervene militarily on behalf of Syria in circumstances like the ones which transpired last week.

Don't get me wrong, I don't actually support this strike. Much as I dislike Assad, I am not sure that I see a way towards peace in Syria which doesn't involve Assad retaining some degree of political control. There are just too many factions with completely different geopolitical goals, none of which have any experience governing a country so far as I am aware. I don't see how removing Assad really improves the prospect of having a functioning government, which is necessary to roll back ISIS and try to get the country back on its feet.

Despite my opposition to this strike, I have a hard time understanding how anybody could honestly believe it was treasonous for the president of the US to take steps to avoid conflict with the state who owns the second largest nuclear arsenal on earth. Moreover, it seems to me that one must be engaged in mental gymnastics to suppose that the performance of an action which undermined Russia's regional interests provides support for the conclusion that Trump has engaged in longer-term collusion with Russia. I don't have much of an opinion on the extent to which the Trump administration is guilty of cooperating with Russia because I don't know enough about it, I certainly think its possible they have cooperated with regard to the US election; however, I feel the recent strike against Syria would have to count as (far from conclusive) evidence against this alleged cooperation.

But warning Russia would have informed the Syrians if Russians suddenly fled the base. Tactically, its pretty weird.

It isn't that weird tactically, if you assume that part of the US tactics were to avoid conflict with Russia then it isn't weird at all. Sometimes tactical goals can be in tension with one another and a compromise needs to be made. In my view, the strike was more symbolic than anything, it was Trump signalling to regional allies and enemies alike that the US is willing to use military force if an enemy state flagrantly violates international law. I don't think disabling the base was of particular concern, my understanding is that the Assad regime has over 20 other military airbases in Syria, so whether Shayrat Airbase can function or not is fairly inconsequential.
 
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U.S is now telling Russia to abandon Assad and Syria or face sanctions.
 
Trump does some real dumb shit..like appointing Sessions but warning Russia was a smart move. The message was sent that Trump is prepared to take action but America was not put into a direct conflict with Russia which anyone with a functional brain can see would be bad. Real bad. Potentially catastrophic.
 
Does anyone know what would happen if Russia did launch missiles at America? Would they be shot down? What happened to Star Wars defence system?
 
But warning Russia would have informed the Syrians if Russians suddenly fled the base. Tactically, its pretty weird.

thats exactly my point. informing the target's - the enemy's - ally is the same as directly informing the target. their ally is legally obligated to inform them, and have openly stated they would act to defend their ally (as they're required to, because thats how alliances work). i'm positive i saw an article a few days ago that russia threatened to directly attack the US if we attacked syria, but now google is all clogged with recent articles so its hard to find anything dated further back than a couple days.

Yea that would make sense if killing Syrians was the goal but it wasn't, denying them use of the airbase was goal. As far as I'm aware that was achieved.

are you intentionally avoiding becoming informed?

rhetorical question, of course.
 
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