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now the campaign is over, the campaign thread is closed. i feel like we'll need a place to discuss issues which may not merit a full thread in their own right.

here is our president:

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let's discuss his presidency.

alasdair
 
Trump Strategist Steve Bannon Says Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’
House Science Committee chairman: Americans should get news from Trump, not media

we're only 6 days in and it's already a lot more surreal and a bit scarier than i imagined it would be. at what point does this circus become truly a problem? i feel like we're already past that point.

he's behaving like a spoiled 5 year old rather than the leader of the free world, banning govt. departments from speaking to the people, having his press secretary blatantly lie, breaking campaign promises already, etc.

is it possible his (conscious or unconscious) strategy is to say so much crazy shit and do so many insane things that people just tune him out?

alasdair
 
He's come through on his promise to not only ignore but openly shred the constitution, to the surprise of noone. Really wish they'd start enforcing Title 18 U.S. Code § 1918, its what this country desperately needs, enforcing the law to hold our employees and government workers accountable for violating their oath of office to support and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Those who become domestic enemies of the constitution need to be barred from public service for life after spending some time in jail, as the law demands.
 
Awe Shnap!!!!

Oops, Hillary caught lying again trying to blame Colin Powell for her email "trouble". Problem is,Powell doesn't remember having dinner with Ms. Clinton or advising her to put a private server in her house to handle classified government emails. So who do we believe,Hillary Clinton or Colin Powell ? Honestly,as far as I'm concerned,they're both liars. Yellowcake uranium anyone ?

Breaking news: Department of Justice announces opening criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton's email to determine if classified information was transmitted over her unsecured private server.

I hope they find everything she's really been hiding on her private server...

Wait, so we're worried that Russians hacked into the elections, but we're not worried that they just stopped by Hilary's private e-mail server which required no hacking?

What about the truth of the Clinton foundation??? Remember the days when they dropped 100k on cattle futures and 110k back a month later. A private server as the top laison to the U.S.s foreign matters.

security is obviously important to you guys. i assume you're as troubled by the revelations, yesterday and today, that senior trump staffers are using private email servers and insecure devices for govt. work?

alasdair
 
is there seriously a chance he could be impeached? He was voted in so he should be our president end of story. media is so fucked up it just shows me you gotta be somewhere in the middle, Democrats are just as fucked up as Republicans the further you get to each side.
 
is there seriously a chance he could be impeached? He was voted in so he should be our president end of story. media is so fucked up it just shows me you gotta be somewhere in the middle, Democrats are just as fucked up as Republicans the further you get to each side.

He's been in violation of the constitution from the moment he was sworn in, but since outright treason nor multiple constitutional violations are enough for the GOP he likely won't get impeached until they lose their majority and get replaced by representatives that actually give a fuck about the constitution and the country.

As for "he was voted in therefore it doesn't matter how much he violates the law", that's not how it works. The law applies to everyone equally, that's the whole point. The president is our employee, he's not a king or an emperor, he wasn't appointed by a god, he was hired by us to represent us and work on our behalf. The president is merely the highest position in a long line of public servants. As his employer, it is our responsibility and patriotic duty to hold him accountable, and as our representative and employee, it is his responsibility to represent us and do his job properly and to standard. As his employer it is our right and responsibility to demand he be fired if he refuses or is incapable of doing the job or doing it satisfactorily or refuses to abide by the laws of the land, especially the highest law which gives all laws under it their legitimacy.
 
time will tell.

given his immature, mercurial behavior in only his first 6 days in office, it's hard to imagine how he's going to be able to cope - let alone excel - in 4 years on the job.

Donald Trump Polls: 35 Percent Already Want President Impeached

A new poll released on Thursday found that 35 percent of voters already think President Donald Trump should be impeached.

In this latest national poll from Public Policy Polling, a Democratic-leaning polling firm, 50 percent of respondents said they are opposed to impeaching Donald Trump less than one week into his presidency, but 35 percent said they are in favor of doing so. Among those who voted for Donald Trump, seven percent said they either support impeaching him or they’re not sure whether he should be impeached. Sixty-five percent of Hillary Clinton voters support impeachment, as do 34 percent of Jill Stein voters. With Gary Johnson voters, though, only 20 percent support impeachment, and among those who didn’t vote for any of these candidates, 32 percent say Trump should be impeached and 32 percent say he shouldn’t be.

Trump’s overall approval rating in this poll is 44 percent, an unusually low number for a new president. The poll also shows that there are some Americans who approve of the job Trump is doing but who don’t necessarily like him, as Trump’s unfavorable rating is higher than his disapproval rating; fifty percent of voters have a negative opinion of Donald Trump, but only 44 percent don’t approve of the job he’s doing.

Voters were also asked how Trump will compare to recent presidents, and they felt that he will be worse than all of them except Richard Nixon. The president who voters felt Trump is least likely to surpass is Ronald Reagan, with 57 percent of respondents saying Reagan will end up being the better president. Behind Reagan was Bill Clinton, who 51 percent of those polled say will be better than Trump. Voters were most split about Jimmy Carter, with 37 percent saying Trump will be better than Carter and 42 percent saying he will be worse. But 40 percent of voters said that Trump will be superior to Richard Nixon, compared to 31 percent who said he’ll be worse than Nixon.
(my emphasis)

alasdair
 
As a liberal, I am (almost) as disgusted with CNN as I was with Fox bashing obama for the past 8 years for made up shit. CNN is doing the exact same thing to trump...making shit up out of thin air. These new agencies are a complete poison on society.

Maybe some if it is true, but its all they report on 24/7 and the entire webpage is trump stories, its sickening. There is more to the world than trump and picking at every single word that he says

time will tell.

given his immature, mercurial behavior in only his first 6 days in office, it's hard to imagine how he's going to be able to cope - let alone excel - in 4 years on the job.

Donald Trump Polls: 35 Percent Already Want President Impeached

(my emphasis)

alasdair


He wont excel. He didn't' even bother to learn anything or "study up" when trying to get elected. What makes you think now that he's in power he's going to try to learn anything about doing his job?

If dubya never got impeached, Trump won't either. Especially when they pick up more seats in the midterms.

the pendulum always swings the other way. When nothing gets done by next election(s)...and the wealth gap increases more and more...and all of america is working at walmart...people will be pissed that the GOP didn't fix it and then elect dems again. rinse and repeat
 
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^ It does seem that way. I would suggest once you elect him you should respect the process and support him. If and when he attempts to do something wrong then speak up to be heard but don't waste your credibility on rumours and fear mongering.

There does seem to be a trend in western culture to be black or white on issues and just scream at the other side. I should probably exclude most of Canadian politics from that but that may be wishful blind patriotism.
 
Really?
I don't know anything about CNN - but what i don't understand is members of the public picking up on this anti-media rhetoric and talking about the media being the enemy.
False media is of no benefit to anyone - but what if the things being said about trump are true?
Do the press not have a responsibility to report them?
Reputable journalists across the world are reporting on the many disturbing things about the trump administration.

What if it is the pro-trump press that are lying to you?
 
Even if it is true....i don't need to hear about something as stupid and meaningless as conway coining the phrase alternative facts for 4 days straight 24 hours a day. and covering the entire front page of the webpage

I used to actually read CNN, ever since the election (which i voted for crooked hillary in) I have basically given up on that new agency unless parts unknown is on.

news is just poison to me anyways, as is thinking about politics...don't know why i'm on this forum right now, makes me need a beer
 
...right.
So you really just don't want to know?
I don't either, really - but see it as my responsibility as a citizen to hold powerful elected representatives to account, FWIW.
People need to remember that the free press is a good thing and that trump is attacking that.
 
CNN became a waste of airspace during this whole election cycle. It was like a reality TV show where you just couldn't kick them off week after week for about 2 years. From a Canadian perspective it was 80% election predicting and interviewing each other. It seemed like their worst years ever.

I can't really say I didn't watch it in 2016 at all. Don't even get it now. CBC news I like but I'm biased.
 
I suppose i shouldn't comment, not ever having paid attention to CNN, but trump's constant attacks on the press concern me.

Surely he needs to be more thick-skinned if he ever hopes to be taken seriously?
 
^ It does seem that way. I would suggest once you elect him you should respect the process and support him. If and when he attempts to do something wrong then speak up to be heard but don't waste your credibility on rumours and fear mongering.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918
 
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