Misc How often to use GHB?

[burn out]

So I am finding GHB to be a wonder drug for me. It makes me go from suicidal to feeling content in about 20 minutes but not only that, I find it very thearaputic as it helps me feel empathy and compassion for myself and for others without the horrible side effects of MDMA. It also relaxes and grounds me and seems to be teaching me how to be in my body, which is something I sorely needed after doing so many psychedelics.

Now I don't want to overuse it obviously or develop an addiction, but I don't want to under use it either. I think actually building some tolerance would be a good thing, because I want to be able to take it and still do stuff the next day as opposed to feeling overly sedated. I took 1.5 grams last night and was an hour and a half late for work today because it was so difficult to get up. Will this effect disappear with more frequent use?

 

[roxi2873]

Never! Read the ghb nightmare stories. If you use it more frequently it will totally rape you and you won't be able to sleep for more than an hour without ghb. It's a horrible drug. I believe erowid is where I read the nightmare stories on ghb

 

[roxi2873]

Scared me enough to never try it anyway, and I was a horribly irresponsible drug user. Nothing scared me enough to not try it.... Except ghb

 

[burn out]

but its used medically on a daily bases. i wasnt planning on using it every day eithre, but how many times a week would be appropriate?

 

[roxi2873]

but its used medically on a daily bases. i wasnt planning on using it every day eithre, but how many times a week would be appropriate?

Lots of drugs are used medically that people are horribly addicted to. Seriously, your answer is never. You'll start off doing it once or twice a week, then 3, 4, 5, until you have to do it every night just to sleep. Then you'll start taking small doses during the day because it mellows you out. And then you'll continue that way until you're constantly dosing it just to not be a nervous wreck around the clock. Fentanyl is used medically on a daily basis too for all kinds of procedures, serious and mundane. It's killing more people than anything right now. You very well could be able to take it once a week and have the willpower to not do more, but most people fall into the trap of addiction and I guarantee you that you're no different than the tons of other people who die from addiction on a daily basis. If you think you are then there's no stopping you any.

 

[morphine-dreams]

I've personally found that once a week is my limit for almost any non-psychedelic drug to use while avoiding addiction and negative side effects, but even that can take a LOT of self control, especially when you really love a drug. Roxi makes a very good point, and keep in mind that while some drugs can seem like miracles initially, once the honeymoon phase is over (and it will end) you'll likely lose many/all therapeutic effects and find yourself in a worse spot than you started off in. If you want to maintain the positive effects of GHB, the best way to do so is to use it sporadically. Best of luck, I understand how it feels when a drug seems to solve all of your problems, but I can promise you that with gabaergics in particular (much like with stims), this does not last unless you carefully limit your use.

 

[burn out]

ok thanks guys I appreciate you trying to help but I am actually looking for specific information about using GHB therapetically to improve one's mental state. I have no plans to use it 24/7 but I wondering whether it might be better to cycle a few days on/a week or two off vs spacing out each usage for example.

I know all about addiction, I have been addicted to weed, alcohol, cocaine, heroin, benzos and kratom at different points in my life. I nearly died several times. But over the years I eventually learned how to cycle drugs to avoid addiction. If I start getting addicted to GHB I will just discontinue using it and fill the void with another drug like smoke hash for a few days. Ive been doing that the last three years and have managed to avoid any severe physical dependencies by cycling drugs. Of course you could argue I am still addicted to altering my mind, but thats nothing new.

 

[burn out]

is it safe to mix GHB and valerian?

 

[kleinerkiffer]

Twice a month to once a week maximum imo

 

[cdin]

i agree w/kleinerkiffer - source 10 years ghb experience.

 

[EnlightenedOne1]

I am VERY in tune with my mind/body/spirit to the point of being able to feel acute withdrawal symptoms after one dose of a compound given a certain amount of abstinence came prior to using that compound.

I used GHB DAILY around the clock for 6 months and the WD was laughable. I have benzos to help aid the first few nights, and then I was back to baseline. Your effects and experience may be different. I've even used GHB to quit opiates and complete a benzo taper....Things can get VERY ugly with it though too like any other drug.

 

[Cdkman]

Ghb tolerance raises quickly..do NOT combine with any other downers

 

[Tanner Blaze]

What no one has mentioned is the real reason why GHB is considered a dangerous drug to use recreationally: There is such a fine line between safe euphoria and comatose. Dosing GHB is tricky. If you really need harm reduction advice watch the Dutch youtube video on GHB 'drugslab'. They literally try the drug in front of the camera and document the effects. Its legal in Holland and it's got English subtitles. I've never tried it but Joe Rogan mentioned it feels like a combination of alcohol and xanax, times ten of course.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

Is your GHB synthed from GBL, gamma-Butyrolactone or is it pure Sodium Oxybate; Xyrem, Alcover ? This should at least be a factor in how "safe" it is to start with.

 

[cdin]

ghb has given me some of the worst DT type withdrawals ive ever had. it's cumulative over time. your first time drinking a couple ounces over a night you just wake up very awake... over time that transitions to seizure like activity/classic DT type symptoms. it's intense and brutal, but luckily responds well to gabapentin/phenibut.

 

[Owlsetting]

I completely agree w what other users stated. I tried GHB 20 years ago for first and last time. Yes, I had a feeling of rolling some but went thru the worst body aches afterward I ever experienced. For all I know it was mixed w something. My girlfriend that night vomited all night on just the smallest amount.
A very close friend weeks later got some, felt "fine and high" and decided to take a double dose. He OD'd at the party we were at, luckily revived on site w defibrillator, spent 3 weeks in hospital.
Like everyone, every drug treats them differently, and I'm happy you've had a good experience. ......but.....it's an amino acid you're adding to your body, which will deplete melatonin supplies like E, and you will eventually not sleep and taking double doses. Please be careful

 

[burn out]

Joe Rogan mentioned it feels like a combination of alcohol and xanax, times ten of course.

Eh, I dunno about that description. FOr me, it's like the physical euphoria of MDMA without the stimulant or psychedelic effects coupled with the dissociation of a bump of k. THe reason I don't like the alcohol/xanax comparison is because I find GHB very introspective and healing, which I do not find true of either alcohol or xanax.

Is your GHB synthed from GBL, gamma-Butyrolactone or is it pure Sodium Oxybate; Xyrem, Alcover ? This should at least be a factor in how "safe" it is to start with.

I don't know, what's the difference?

 

[sekio]

Most GHB is synthesized from GBL - and that's not a problem, that's just how it's made, even pharmaceutically.

Here's a souple things to consider though, re: "toxic effects" form GHB and friends:

GHB has a very steep dose/response curve, and other GABAergic sedatives can shift that curve around too. To put it plainly, for me a good recreational dose is between 1.75 and 2 grams of NaGHB. 2.2 grams is a "heavy" dose. Any more than about 2.4g and I am physically ill, any more than 3.0g and I am blacked out/asleep. So as you can tell, doubling doses is an absolute NO for GHB! You have to wait at least 2 to 3 hours between doses to allow blood levels to fall off.

GHB overdoses, especially when you aren't rendered wholly unconscious, are very very unpleasant and have a strong dysphoric edgy overtone of feeling physically poisoned. I suspect this is due to overactivation of the stimulatory GHB receptor (if activated alone it can cause seizures etc.) as it occurs regardless of specific chemical ingested - 1,4BDO, GBL, or even with incredibly pure GHB - if you miss your "sweet spot" for dosing you will feel AWFUL.

Most GBL (and even butanediol) is distilled industrially as a means of purification and contains little or nothing in the way of harmful toxic stuff like metal residues or anything. Indeed, the NTP toxicity report shows that the old myth of butanediol being nasty and toxic in some unspecified ways is indeed just a myth, as butanediol does not persist in the body long enough to have a pharmacological effect - it is immediately converted to GHB. Same with GBL. However, if your GBL is colored at all or cloudy (it should be clear and colorless) then you should look into purification methods, as your stuff is unfit for human consumption. (When you purchase GBL or BDO, please ask for the assay documents so you can be informed of what the impurities are that could be present, and their acceptable limits. GBL used as a solvent for plastic thread spinning may not be as strictly controlled in impurities as GBL for ACS chemical reagent usage, or food-grade GBL.

 

[burn out]

Thank you for that info. I think I am going to try dosing either once a week or once every two weeks. I waited 2 weeks since my last dose, then dosed 2 days in a row thurs and friday. Today is monday night and I think I might be experiencing rebound effects. I don't feel bad (actually still feel much better than before I took the GHB) but I am feel very awake and am having a hard time going to sleep. Normally I am dead tired after work and fall asleep pretty easily. So i think this may be a sign that my body cant handle frequent use of GHB without major interference with my sleep cycle.

 

[sekio]

IME, and anecdotally (a few friends tried this), you can get away with one dose of GHB per day (~2g) almost indefinitely with no withdrawal symptoms. Mind you, I didn't increase my dose either, I just let tolerance naturally weaken it a bit.