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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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David Wooderson said:
It amazes me that the ppl that obviously are unhappy about Pres. Trump still havent learned anything or done any self reflecting.

Trump won bc over the past 8 years Pres. Obama lost 10 million votes. That is astonishing, and still no self evaluation. The same polls that had Hillary up by 90% nov 7th are the sane assholes who give obama his approval ratings, only you dont need to be a citizen to vote for approval.

The left cried racist, too many times, when things have never been better for ppl of color. They wanted there cake and to eat it too. They wanted to do some cracking.

They force fed a steady diet of deviance since the current administration took office and began during the Clinton era.

Social justice has turned into pinko brainwash. It backfired so badly you'd think the political pundits were in a news themed bukkake film.

Its not the whitemans fault he won, its the lazy sloths of this country that sat on their fat ass's and refused to vote.

I registered at least 100 new voters personally =)

I win
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Obama didn't lose the votes. That notion is ridiculous.
The democratic party lost the votes. As soon as Hilary got the nod it should have been clear. You can talk to dems of all ages and ask them about this past election and the general feeling was "meh" about who their party was running. An almost damned if you do damned if you don't scenario for them. I think that was why there was a low turnout.
People where super enthusiastic about Bernie, but being enthusiastic about him on FB doesn't count as a real vote in the primary.

Bernie would have won against him.

Let me predict the next 4 years: the economy will slightly improve, the rich will get richer, and everyone else will be pretty much the same, if not slightly worse off.
 
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I don't recall seeing this kind of response when Obama was elected and re-elected?
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That's because you only open your eyes and ears to confirmation bias. Here is what Trump said when it briefly looked, in 2012, that Mitt Romney might win the popular vote (he lost by 5 million) but lose the electoral college.

Trump on Twitter - We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided.

"Oh, the ironing" - Bart Simpson
 
If the popular vote decided the presidency then California and the New York would effectively decide the presidency every four years. The unequal representation would cause people of my mindset to no longer feel any desire to vote, but to strongly promote succession from the union. I like maines idea of having ranked candidate elections.
Once these interest rates go up and the economy takes a hit, the gas prices will go up as they always do per the natural market reaction. I think the economy will for sure get better as regulations get cut at the expense of the environment. You can have one or the other, but not both. If trump stops the flow of illegal immigrants and construction companies/ other industry jobs have to come to the table and offer competitive compensation for the jobs previously held by illegals willing to take bottom dollar.
I suspect many dems will overwhelming vote for trump in four years if he accomplishes 10% of his Goals. Phro you would likely vote for him IMO but maybe not someone that is very partisan like Alasdair or CD.
 
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morninggloryseed said:
Gulliable electorate goes both ways ya know...especially with a media intent on destroying Tramp with non-stop negative coverage...didn't NYT just apologize for their one sided coverage? If the media had a more balanced coverage of the election...I think far less would have actually voted for Clinton.

Ps...try looking at the 2016 electoral map...all kinds of people everywhere voted for Trump. He won with the voters of the Midwest as well as Florida, the south, Arizona, Penstate, and many others. Just sayin
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Gullible electorate does go both ways, I won't argue with you there. The point I was getting at was that there is no way to justify these people having even more of a disproportionately strong vote compared to city dwellers, especially when you consider that the entire concept of the Senate is to protect the interests of less popular states, and therefore people living in metro areas already have less representation at the federal level than their urban counterparts.
 
Droppersneck said:
If the popular vote decided the presidency then California and the New York would effectively decide the presidency every four years.
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Population of USA: 318.9 million
/
(Population of NY: 19.7 million
+
Population of CA: 38.8 million)
= 18.3%

Population of Texas: 27.0 million
+
Population of Florida: 19.5 million
= 14.6%

As mentioned before, the Senate itself is the check against the more populous states running things. Even before considering the Electoral College, the power of a voter is less in a populous state than it is in a less populous one. The Electoral College is not intended to be a check on the power of populous states vs. less populous states. It is intended to be a check on the power of democracy for the public to vote unfit people into power. It doesn't look like it is serving this purpose at all anymore and so it does nothing but give certain states disproportionate power in selecting the federal government.
 
^ hilarious!
Droppersneck said:
If the popular vote decided the presidency then California and the New York would effectively decide the presidency every four years.
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maybe, but that's not really the point is it?

it was a travesty in 2012 but, this time round? not so much. back then he wanted people to protest. now the shoe is on the other foot and people are protesting, he's bent out of shape. cake and eat it...

alasdair
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
That's because you only open your eyes and ears to confirmation bias. Here is what Trump said when it briefly looked, in 2012, that Mitt Romney might win the popular vote (he lost by 5 million) but lose the electoral college.

Trump on Twitter - We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided.
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Hahahaha. You're honestly going to compare a fucking tweet to people actually in the streets engaging in general vandalism. Even by your standards that is a ridiculous stretch.
 
Goose-gander hypocrisy was a universal enough sin when we didn't write down our every thought for human consumption.

Speaking of which I wonder if @REALDonaldTrump is going to be active during his presidency; I mean, there's an Obama twitter but it's pretty clearly highly curated and it's doubtful that he's ever used it himself; even the Pope has a twitter (in twelve languages in fact, I follow him in Latin) which bias more the feel of things he's actually said, transcribed by a team of tech savvy monseigneurs; Marine le Pen's Twitter is pretty prolific but a lot of it is excerpts of her speeches probably done by aides but some of which comes across as more authentic, such as her congratulations to Trump and some of her retreats. Vladimir Putin maintains also a multilingual Twitter feed but it is as the man himself rather stoic and not especially prolix. Nigel Farage is a pretty good tweeter. Frau Merkel doesn't have one. Hillary Clinton's is obviously as authentic as the Donald's hair and everything about the Clinton's themselves …

So just a smattering of world/political leaders, but Trump's the most prolific, unfiltered, engaging and off the cuff, and thus most interesting Twitter artist; and what's more, he will be the first president of the "Twitter Era" (Obama coming to power at the close of the "MySpace Era" and re-elected and defamed by "birther" nonsense alike on Facebook) … so I wonder how much he'll be tweeting from the Oval Office (certainly can't bring a Twitter enabled phone into a ELINT-sanitized area even behind the proverbial seven proxies.)

Whatever they future holds, this talented and alluring young lady has more followers than Hillary, Trump, Pope Francis and Obama put together …


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In Romania in 1990, anti-National Salvation Front protests occurred in Bucharest composed mainly of the educated youth. The president at that time, Ion Iliescu, called upon the miners from neighboring regions of Jiu to gather and suppress the manifestations in Bucharest. So the miners, with rough hands and a genuine hate for the educated, were brought by trains to Bucharest and fed bread from army vehicles. Iliescu told the miners to put these young brats in their place and show them the value of hard work. They hit the protesters bad, man woman or child, they would aim for the head because that's where the intellectual evil stemmed from, and they beat the women ugly. They beat them ugly, in just a few days, hospitals were filled with mutilated University students.

What is happening in the USA has already happened before in other countries and that's just one example. My advice to them is to calm down and return to their classes, and thank God their head is in one piece and they can use it productively to join the middle-upper class. Because if this gets to the point where they require a beating, a beating will be delivered to them.
 
SKL said:
Goose-gander hypocrisy was a universal enough sin when we didn't write down our every thought for human consumption.

Speaking of which I wonder if @REALDonaldTrump is going to be active during his presidency;
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If my sources are correct, a president is not allowed to have a smart phone because of its tracking technologies. They need to either have a dumb-phone or have a state-of-the-art untraceable device like the Sirin Labs' $17,000 Solarin Phone, or Turing phone.

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I doubt either would be allowed tbf. the NSA is supposedly very exacting about this kind of thing and their STU models are always looking a generation or several behind typical office phones (but remember how they apparently built Obama a bespoke Blackberry? and was roundly mocked for it. also shows you how in a different world we are now.) There was a picture of Obama speaking on IIRC an iPhone at a desk with a STU in use in the background which would be enough to get a dishonorable discharge for a enlisted man in and of itself and that at best probably
 
Anyone else listening to President Obama's press meeting today?

He just won back allot of respect that I had lost, he spoke like a man, I haven't heard him talk like this since 2008.

I will miss the positive things about his administration.

He did inspire millions, millions of people are better off because of his presidency and I hope the same is true for Pres. Trump.
 
i think trump is bringing in all the usual suspects because shortly after being elected it either dawned on him he really doesn't want to be president or an organization more powerful than the united states political system explained to him just exactly how powerless he really is

living in the white house in DC is a huge downgrade from having your own tower on 5th ave in NYC

in somewhat related news, i started watching MSNBC for the first time shortly after the election and they should be reprehended for inciting a riot. they're simply adding fuel to the fire, creating more fear than is needed. rachel maddow should be removed from television, she's trying to divide the country even more than it is, she's in an influential position and is making it impossible to reduce the fear in the already fearful....the shit can't hit the fan until someone plugs the fan in, what happened to patiently waiting for conclusions instead of assuming the worst and reporting on it?
 
Ksa said:
In Romania in 1990, anti-National Salvation Front protests occurred in Bucharest composed mainly of the educated youth. The president at that time, Ion Iliescu, called upon the miners from neighboring regions of Jiu to gather and suppress the manifestations in Bucharest. So the miners, with rough hands and a genuine hate for the educated, were brought by trains to Bucharest and fed bread from army vehicles. Iliescu told the miners to put these young brats in their place and show them the value of hard work. They hit the protesters bad, man woman or child, they would aim for the head because that's where the intellectual evil stemmed from, and they beat the women ugly. They beat them ugly, in just a few days, hospitals were filled with mutilated University students.

What is happening in the USA has already happened before in other countries and that's just one example. My advice to them is to calm down and return to their classes, and thank God their head is in one piece and they can use it productively to join the middle-upper class. Because if this gets to the point where they require a beating, a beating will be delivered to them.
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Requires a beating? Those student protests led to the fall of communism. And those miner's lives were shit in communism and afterwards. I don't understand what you're trying to get across other than an attempt at showing that you've studied history.

I don't see how that is happening in the US? Those "miners" are illegal immigrants or US citizens making a comfortable living. Those students are people more interested in IG than voting. And at just about all walks of life college and a degree is something people strive for here, not look down upon. Those blue collar workers aren't upset with college students, intellectualism, or whatever else you're implying
 
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