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^^^ I didn't know you worked for the atlantic spacejunk :p

These next for years are going to suck so damn bad, I predict the overdose and suicide rates for men going up tenfold
 
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a phobia is a real mental disorder - an irrational fear. not wanting Muslims to bring Muslim culture and Muslim etc., is not a mental disorder. It's quite sane. It's quite rational.
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when you assume every muslim = terrorist, it's not.

alasdair
 
but one could assume that given more Muslims, there will be more terrorist attacks. It's not irrational to assume that, given what has been seen in Europe (Belgium, France, Germany...).

but also,

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers..."
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nope, don't have to fear Muslims at all. It's not like they follow Islam or anything. It's not like anyone really believes anything, really. It's not as if beliefs matter.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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I don't have any idea why people don't like Muslims.
 
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as long as you (choose to) conflate some muslims with all muslims, you'll continue to struggle with this, i suspect.

99% of rapists are men. if you are a man you are much more likely to be a rapist. i don't trust you, what 23 because you're probably a rapist.

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alasdair
 
I also voted for Obama, the first time. Not that I think it was a "good thing" (I didn't vote the second term).

alasdair, it's in their ideology to oppose and 'fight' non-Muslims. It is really actually stupid for any non-Muslim place to allow them in, if they don't have some openness to conversion to Islam. to think that Muslims will just automatically become western is itself kind of a form of bigotry, and arrogance.

again, since you seem to be ignoring the verses that I posted, that deal with terrorizing non-Muslims, I'll post them here. It's from the Quran. It's part of their belief system:

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers..."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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But, so often, people pretend like they understand religion, Islam, etc. Like the great Sam Harris said, repeating his words very loosely, it's as if people don't process it- that people actually believe in what they believe in.

Not wanting immigration from Islamic areas is entirely rational, given that you have no desire to be a Muslim, yourself.

I'm not saying all Muslims are hardcore Muslims, any more than the Christian girl who posts Bible verses on her facebook and talks about Jesus, who has Bible study at her house on Wednesdays, who let me fuck her in the ass within 15 minutes of meeting her, is "hardcore" Christian (and following all the rules). But they go with the crowd, and I'd rather not have a crowd of them. A crowd of them that may not kill someone for criticizing Muhammad, but wouldn't be outspoken against it...
 
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the thing with terms like "radical Islam" and "fundamentalism" to describe "Islamic extremists" is that they neglect that radical Islam and fundamentalist Islam are just Islam. And, that Islam is pretty extreme in ways. Saying they are radical really just means they believe in their Quran. Basically, they're Muslims. Radical Muslims=Muslims. It would be the "moderates", who are sometimes the ones who say that the likes of ISIS and other terrorists don't represent Islam, who are really the ones who don't represent Islam. How can they only submit part way to God?

And how can they - How can people entertain the idea of a "reformation" of Islam, without more or less ditching Islam- the religion?

Islam doesn't have the room for error that Christianity does. Christianity is kind of weird, in that it has split so many times, and didn't even start out with a full book made up for it. Books were added over many hundreds of years, if not thousands when you count the entire history, if you count the oral history with the books. There is a lot of room for interpretation, even though much of it is pretty damning for the modern day progressive liberal, or seems that way (to me, and I assume just take from it what you will, and discard the other stuff if you wish to, not to say you'll be successful but...).
Islam, from the Quran, was founded over a 23 year period, when Muhammad was going psych-o hearing voices (like I do, and I like 23 too), and had basically one major split right after Muhammad died, I think... But don't quote me on that. They have one book, and the Hadith, derived together, from basically one author/mind, in one language, where the Bible has multiple authors, and accounts taken, over a much longer period, and through different cultures, so it makes more sense to try to "make sense" of it, than one presented all-in-one solution.

I don't mean to rant about Islam, but certainly, the presidents care about it, and we are to be faced with very possibly even more immigration from these regions with mainly Muslims.

I know there was a lot more to this speech, but, Obama: "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Fuck that lowest I.Q. for a president Barack Hussein Obama, and his bullshit.
 
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who - here anyway - is claiming that? not me.

alasdair
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So you're for them importing their customs, their Shariah, et cetera, and not integrating and adopting our values? You're for basically being a scaffold/substrate for them to grow their own colonies in/on? Why? Their people didn't make it here with the relative wash of Western Europeans who share similar culture, and their people were unsuccessful in taking Europe for at least 1400 years, or so, though they tried. Why should now they be allowed to just set up camp, and at the same time deny me the right to take one of them as my wife? Because according to Islamic customs, I can't. That is, unless they adopt more liberal, western, secular views, and basically stop being Muslims (or I convert to Islam). The only way one of them is becoming my wife (Some Kurdish women especially are hotties) is if they do adopt western values, or that they or I change. This alone illustrates one part of the dynamic problems of mixing of such disparate, different people.

As for I.Q., I have read that his I.Q. is 102, which would easily be the lowest of any president. This, however, I'm glad you checked me on. I found that score surprising, as he speaks with intelligence, went to Harvard, and is really successful in society, obviously. The 102 number isn't confirmed. I can't find the source that I at one time assumed was legit, although was in question about. He's the one president in a list that doesn't have his official score shown, which again, makes me wonder why. Maybe he doesn't want that comparison. Maybe it's not an impressive number. Speculation based on correlation common with other tests, I've read that he probably isn't higher than 125, and is likely about 116 (still rather low for a president, but almost 2 standard deviations above average for the U.S., and 3-4 above the average African American).

I'm glad you challenged that.

Can you challenge the bits about the Quranic verses that support terror against us, and the problem of belief? Twice this has been either avoided/ignored, or not seen, but I presented them in an argument with you.
 
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Oops, Hillary caught lying again trying to blame Colin Powell for her email "trouble". Problem is,Powell doesn't remember having dinner with Ms. Clinton or advising her to put a private server in her house to handle classified government emails. So who do we believe,Hillary Clinton or Colin Powell ? Honestly,as far as I'm concerned,they're both liars. Yellowcake uranium anyone ?
 
Sure, that's a very undignified - and counterproductive - way to express yourself politically.

But how do you know they are "uneducated, food stamp receiving, loser protesters"?
If you want to take the high moral ground in this instance - which really wouldn't be that difficult (harassing and physically accosting people in the street like that is pretty indefensible) - maybe you could drop the ad-homs and stereotypical assumptions?

Otherwise it just looks like one inarticulate expression of hostility versus another; neither of which do anything to lift the standard of political discourse in this very heated and divisive Presidential campaign.
 
Funny how you never see Trump supporters throwing urine at people, assaulting people, vandalising property, or shooting hillary supporters.
 
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really? in that case, you have your head buried in the sand.

i don't vote democrat because i deserve the fruits of your labor. i work hard and earn a decent wage. i don't mind giving up some of that to help others and improve societal services for everybody. i don't think that makes me evil but you wouldn't know that from some of the insults and abuse here and elsewhere - it's just a different opinion on the role of government.

it's funny that republicans go purple with rage if you suggest giving a poor family a few hundred bucks in a 'hand out' but if you give a major corporation a handout of a few million, well, they're just fine with that :)

alasdair
 
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