2016 American Presidential Campaign
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Hilary's connection with a war-profiteering, globalist, terrorist, neoliberal, bourgeois-capitalist, Zionist clique makes Watergate look like tiddlywinks. Look what's happened to anyone who's tried to confront them. Jimmy Carter? Got off easy. Trump, however much a buffoon as may be, I care not; however much he is already beholden to or may be made beholden to this almost unbelievably wicked group of world élites, despite his extant business and familial relationships with them, bring him on, he's riled people of backgrounds like mine against them, much the opposite as W. did. A.B.H.
it's telling that, very often, when i criticise trump, the only response is "well hillary is bad too".
also a pretty sad comment on a candidate - and the election generally - when "i don't care how much of a buffoon he is" is a common complaint and yet he's considered a viable candidate for the highest office.
happy to see his poll numbers slipping noticeably in light of his insane comments about russia.
alasdair
also a pretty sad comment on a candidate - and the election generally - when "i don't care how much of a buffoon he is" is a common complaint and yet he's considered a viable candidate for the highest office.
happy to see his poll numbers slipping noticeably in light of his insane comments about russia.
alasdair
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I've never enthusiastically posted about Trump; I just hope and pray he finds his way to the White House before (to invert another popularised phrase) "that woman." I know that you, Ali, aren't in favor of escalating the already almost inconceivable bloodshed on the Middle East as a sacrifice on the altar of the Jewish State and U.S. petroleum interests? Well, I'd hoped you weren't, because now you are. Trump may be a bit looser of a cannon but is at least not so predictably and indelibly tied to such incredible, age-old wickedness. If we're talking of Russian influence, call off the Cold War already. Putin before Israel, before Hilary and her liberal Western interventionism.
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Jabberwocky
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He's taking a shot at her by implying she is who she is because of her husband. Which is true.
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Then what, exactly, Ali, scares you about a Trump presidency before a Hilary one? Not counting, I hope, off color statements and pandering promises of impossible policies that he's made to capture his base (as your candidate has the same?) I try to look through to the greater, deeper, and darker evils behind; and Trump's are a distant second.
cashfl0w_d0nkey
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Can you be a bit more specific about why she is a "Mistress of War"? Are you blaming her for the Arab Spring? Syria? The overthrow of Gaddafi? I think the latter is the only one where she actually had an active role and it is debatable if her choices were wise or not, but in that case, the aftermath of the intervention and the intervention itself must be seen as two separate issues. The poor outcome of the intervention doesn't necessarily mean that the intervention itself was a bad idea. Libya at the time of the NATO intervention was a month into a civil war involving popular uprising against a known brutal dictator.
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socko
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I will only refer to her as Bill Clinton's wife and for two reasons: the first is that the spouse, child, or sibling of a president should never be president. That is toxic to democracy. This threatens to be the second time in two decades. It shows that we have degenerated to a Feudal System. In the case of America, it is Corporate Feudalism. Corporate Feudalism or Feudal Corporatism is a form of Corporatism where power and wealth is inherited and administered in a quasi feudal manner.
Second, somebody else already pointed it out, nobody would have heard of her if not for who she married and who she opportunistically stayed married to even after it was revealed that he is a cheater and probably a serial raper. If not for that calculated marriage, she would be the president of some college in the Midwest or something similar right now. A lot of people called GWB "shrub" and other nick names. It's fairly common when somebody unfit and unsuitable for office still gets the position.
Your second point is that you are implying that it is somehow stupid or reckless to not get in line behind her, and you and her supporters act like there are only two choices. This is athe logical fallacy known as a False Dilemma.
Politics in the us have become so divided and polarized along Dem/GOP party lines that no matter how vile their candidate is proven to be, they still get the vote. This last thing, choosing the lesser of two evils, is another kind of logical fallacy. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
Jill Stein 2016.
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cashfl0w_d0nkey
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It's not a false dilemma. There is greater than a 99.9% chance of Clinton or Trump winning.
socko
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That's because eveybody is so terrified of one or the other that they are blind to the other choices.
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I believe I'll answer more than one post directed at me here …
Quite a cheap shot, and you're not taking it against someone with as brittle a suit of armour than many of your regular right wing trolls around here. I'm not going to state my qualifications because I could make up anything on the spot with as much proof as any, but please do believe I'm not in reptilian-Royal-family territory. Instead, some common sense—
Do you suppose for a moment that Hilary and her clan (or the Bush family) are not beholden to any of the aforementioned interests? I know it's not proper form to put the burden of proof against such assertions, but I think they are so black and white as to be irrefutable, save perhaps "terrorist," and epithet that I reserve for her support, as Secretary of State, of not only the Jewish State, founded in and perpetuated by terror, but also various [Sunni or largely so] Muslim insurgent groups, the soi-disant "moderate rebels," against some rather unpleasant (but no more so than any number of régimes in South America, Africa, or elsewhere in the extra-Levantine mideast) secular Arab-nationalist leaders in former receipt of aid by the Communists and now by Putin, setting an entire world region aflame.
The excuse of promoting democracy, or human rights is, as in Russia, so shambolic as to bear no imaginable defense given other even crueller and less "democratic" régimes solely because they were in congruence with US/globalist/Zionist agendas which were afforded such powerful backing in the past or even simultaneously (staying within the region, we may begin but hardly end with Qatar or even Saudi Arabia—where is the Hilary "grrl power" contingent's concern over women in the Kingdom, anyway?—which could hardly hold out against internal and regional pressures without support from the US–NATO–Zionist axis.)
Hilary's tenure as Secretary of State saw many disastrous ventures in this area of the world, and beyond, the fall of Qaddafi and the subsequent opening of a veritable Pandora's Box being but one among them, but hardly the foremost; and indeed, need we confine ourselves to events traceable to her hand alone? She (along, and by no means merely by dint of association with, her husband) is a member of and beholden to what I called, among other things, a Liberal (large 'l') internationalist and Zionist clique, which has driven and shall drive, should we be afflicted with her as a Chief Executive, her foreign policy and the nation's, likely leading to further loss of blood, treasure, prestige and, ultimately, despite her perhaps even honest attempts to the contrary, of our international power, already on the wane if certainly by no means close to exhaustion.
And let us not even begin on her husband's practical act of arson directed at our very own economy and the stability or even existence of a lower-to-middle middle class life. And she would remedy such by a bandaid like an increased minimum wage, setting the bait for nothing but ruinous inflation. Her domestic policies are either a travesty to common sense or a sop the usual Democrat-constituent affinity groups.
She is, I can almost say without being rhetorical, Satan's candidate for the White House. Literally almost every evil, foreign and domestic, in the past nearly 25 years has either her or her husband's fingerprints, either deep or only superficially. Two for the price of one, remember? Well there's a third riding along even if I can say so only in metaphor.
Hence why I would rather put my trust in a man such as Putin than in another Clinton, even if it were called treason.
Quite a cheap shot, and you're not taking it against someone with as brittle a suit of armour than many of your regular right wing trolls around here. I'm not going to state my qualifications because I could make up anything on the spot with as much proof as any, but please do believe I'm not in reptilian-Royal-family territory. Instead, some common sense—
Do you suppose for a moment that Hilary and her clan (or the Bush family) are not beholden to any of the aforementioned interests? I know it's not proper form to put the burden of proof against such assertions, but I think they are so black and white as to be irrefutable, save perhaps "terrorist," and epithet that I reserve for her support, as Secretary of State, of not only the Jewish State, founded in and perpetuated by terror, but also various [Sunni or largely so] Muslim insurgent groups, the soi-disant "moderate rebels," against some rather unpleasant (but no more so than any number of régimes in South America, Africa, or elsewhere in the extra-Levantine mideast) secular Arab-nationalist leaders in former receipt of aid by the Communists and now by Putin, setting an entire world region aflame.
The excuse of promoting democracy, or human rights is, as in Russia, so shambolic as to bear no imaginable defense given other even crueller and less "democratic" régimes solely because they were in congruence with US/globalist/Zionist agendas which were afforded such powerful backing in the past or even simultaneously (staying within the region, we may begin but hardly end with Qatar or even Saudi Arabia—where is the Hilary "grrl power" contingent's concern over women in the Kingdom, anyway?—which could hardly hold out against internal and regional pressures without support from the US–NATO–Zionist axis.)
Hilary's tenure as Secretary of State saw many disastrous ventures in this area of the world, and beyond, the fall of Qaddafi and the subsequent opening of a veritable Pandora's Box being but one among them, but hardly the foremost; and indeed, need we confine ourselves to events traceable to her hand alone? She (along, and by no means merely by dint of association with, her husband) is a member of and beholden to what I called, among other things, a Liberal (large 'l') internationalist and Zionist clique, which has driven and shall drive, should we be afflicted with her as a Chief Executive, her foreign policy and the nation's, likely leading to further loss of blood, treasure, prestige and, ultimately, despite her perhaps even honest attempts to the contrary, of our international power, already on the wane if certainly by no means close to exhaustion.
And let us not even begin on her husband's practical act of arson directed at our very own economy and the stability or even existence of a lower-to-middle middle class life. And she would remedy such by a bandaid like an increased minimum wage, setting the bait for nothing but ruinous inflation. Her domestic policies are either a travesty to common sense or a sop the usual Democrat-constituent affinity groups.
She is, I can almost say without being rhetorical, Satan's candidate for the White House. Literally almost every evil, foreign and domestic, in the past nearly 25 years has either her or her husband's fingerprints, either deep or only superficially. Two for the price of one, remember? Well there's a third riding along even if I can say so only in metaphor.
Hence why I would rather put my trust in a man such as Putin than in another Clinton, even if it were called treason.
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MMT
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^Excellent rebuttal SKL. Spot on analysis.
cashfl0w_d0nkey
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Sorry if it came off as a cheap shot, I didn't mean it that way. You are alleging the Clintons are part of an evil conspiracy though, aren't you? I think that the burden of proof is on you to cite some specific examples of where the Clintons exhibited outright evil behavior, or even where they exhibited behavior that could be possibly interpreted as anti-humanitarian or anti-American.
Specifically, what during her tenure as Secretary of State do you take issue with? What support to Israel did she give that was so unconscionable?
Escher's Waterfall
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Russia already has Transnistria, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Crimea, and chunks of Eastern Ukraine. Also Belarus is more or less in Russia's pocket.
Sooner or later, we're going to see some of the former SSRs engage in nuclear proliferation as a preventative measure. Considering Russia's nationalism and encouragement of developing foreign wars to avoid domestic unrest, there's a chance of a neo-July crisis developing. Which won't end well.
Europe's fallen into world wars twice in the last century. It's fallen into numerous regional wars. Russia's a destabilizing force.
In short, Russia needs to stop redrawing national borders.
treezy z
Bluelighter
The server has been offline for years. I know this, Trump knows this, and I think you're smart enough to know this as well. So you're either uninformed or deliberately misleading people.
It was a joke.
And everyone probably has those e-mails (blackmail material
China, Russia, North Korea etc.So she either fucks the American people because she's been paid to, or gets blackmailed into it.
Also, Hillary said those were personal emails.
The DNC calls it a national security issue.
Who's lying?
treezy z
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i'm not misleading anybody. i posted an article. if you disagree with its contents, that's your prerogative.
yeah, it was hilarious.
alasdair
socko
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It's clear to me the Clinton campaign and the media is twisting his words. The motive is obvious - to deflect attention from the conspiracy to rig the election.
Trump is a villain, but at least criticise the truly bad things he says and not attention seeking jokes.
Trump is a villain, but at least criticise the truly bad things he says and not attention seeking jokes.
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