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The Small & Handy 1P-ETH-LAD Thread

niflheim said:
I'm not all that familiar with the timings that could be expected with the propionyless version, but slow onset isn't how I'd describe it. Maybe it's down to sublingual dosing, but what mechanism could be at work is a bit puzzling if that's the case.
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Yeah we definitely shouldn't jump to conclusions that the 1P version hits more slowly - the 1P part might cleave off within seconds on the bloodstream (or saliva) or it might take much longer, I don't think we really know. The onset time of the same psychedelic varies greatly from person to person, trip to trip, so we should be careful not to draw stereotypes from limited reports and the preconceived idea that the 1P *should* be slower.
 
perpetualdawn said:
Yeah we definitely shouldn't jump to conclusions that the 1P version hits more slowly - the 1P part might cleave off within seconds on the bloodstream (or saliva) or it might take much longer, I don't think we really know. The onset time of the same psychedelic varies greatly from person to person, trip to trip, so we should be careful not to draw stereotypes from limited reports and the preconceived idea that the 1P *should* be slower.
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Yeah you have a very good point there , well id say that there's a fair amount of reports staying this but obviously nothing's in literature yet so it is just speculation but it's a goo point to bring up to avoid people thinking it's not kicking in much and redosing too early/too much .
 
I've found the 1P-LSD to be a longer come up than LSD25, also found ETH-LAD was above the hour mark, (although still shorter than the 1P-LSD) but I had eaten a couple of hours before it.
 
I havnt tried the !P ETH - LAD but I love 1PLSD and although I found it longer to reach peak than my experiences with LSD25 (1P takes 2 - 2.5 hours to reach peak compared to about 60 mins for street acid) but unlike its big brother I found the come up more smooth and gentle - street acid seems to do nothing for an hour then - whoomph - your tripping your balls off. The 1P takes longer to peak but I find that it starts to produce threshold effects within 15 minutes of ingestion, which intensifies at what I beleieve is a perefct rate right up untill peak. I also find that it wears off in a similar manner, rather than the trip just wearing off it seems to fade over the course of 2 hours at exactly the rate that it came on. For someone with a fragile mind I cant believe how much I love this drug, although I havnt taken a dose larger than 200mcgs yet (2 standard blotters)
 
Maybe they added the propionyl group to act as a "timebomb" for the ETH, maybe it will help counteract that nausea for some by reducing the time it comes up, I was thinking maybe the nausea is caused by the intense rate that you convert to the tripping headspace, I'm not sure!
 
Regarding 1P-lsd, I found it more potent and with a faster come up when drop on an empty stomach just before a meal.
I red somewhere that fat would help the conversion to the active compound.

Ok I tried 200ug 1p-eth-lad today.
And big disappointment for me.
Unless there is a misleading name on the label.
Nothing good for me.
No soul nada.
Just wasn't able to type something on my keyboard.
That's it
WTF?!
 
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seems strange that how long ago was this as i do find its a slow builder
 
yes i found it so neutral too nothing sinister no mindfuck it just felt so smooth but for music nothing comes close and i dosed 200ug first time myself
 
Sound is good but no soul...

Normally I should cry on the floor with my music....
 
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Yes just before eating.
Normally it's how work best for me...

Now 7 hours later i'm nearly baseline...

Nan this 1p-eth-lad is a joke for me.
Not at all like lsd or 1p-lsd. Just a waste of time for me.
 
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Please stop congesting the thread with tons of individual posts, stanleyK. If you would like to post again when the last post is already yours, just edit that last one.
 
perpetualdawn said:
The propionyl group has some weight to it, so 100µg of LSD has more molecules than 100µg of 1P-LSD. (Same idea with ETH-LAD and 1P-ETH-LAD). Maybe it's marginal.
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The propionyl group might help it enter the brain, ala heroin. If that is the case, esters could be more potent than their parents.
 
No other experiences on this?
I don't know if it is particular to me but I found it very disappointing.
 
stanleyK said:
No other experiences on this?
I don't know if it is particular to me but I found it very disappointing.
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Same here. I enjoyed the experience, mind you, I just wasn't impressed.

Do mind, I only have some experience with LSD.

Pro's:
- Visually impressive. Very impressive. Hieroglyphs in rays of sun that shone through curtains.
- Very grounded, less of a headfuck
- No post trip blues

Cons:
Alas, the pro's correlate with the cons:
- I enjoy "zooming in" on a visual aspect but ETH LAD left no room to focus on clouds or a pattern in a beam of sunlight. It was like being at a parade, with screamy, flashy lights all over you.
- being grounded also means less or in my case no headspace. No room to elaborate on aspects of life, no room to explore certain corners of your mind.
Where LSD is outside of the box, I experienced ETH-LAD as inside the box.
- less musically accessible. Where LSD opens up a large spectrum of songs, picking you up so you can tzirlt about in a song, I had to really dig to get the most out of song.
A bit frustrating, I felt like I missed out.
- short lived (in contrast with LSD), I think I was back at baseline with no OEV or CEV or headspace 6 hours after dropping.
- Uneasy: the jitters I get at the come up in LSD, lasted throughout most of the trip, making me uncomfortable. It wasn't until I stopped rolling, until I felt at ease.

It's the set and setting and the company that really made things enjoyable, but probably won't try it again. In hindsight, I rather would have went with LSD. My friends really filled in the blanks though.

My buddies really did enjoy it though, so maybe it's just me or my blotter that was poorly saturated, idunno.

I suppose my spirit is more compatible with lysergamides?
 
If the indolic nitrogen is intended to be the i-position, then I don't think it'll just pop off like for example psilocybin undergoing its probable in-vivo dephosphorylation, its a lot tougher to cleave an amide than it is to do hydrolyse an ester, indeed, esters are pretty susceptible to cleavage in basic conditions. But the indolic N takes the form of an propionamide in 1p-lysergamides.

I have to say actually, that I am very impressed with the level of capability shown by the very fact that multiple different compounds have been released, and lysergic chemistry isn't trivial. Somebody, somewhere, has been going to what must be considerable effort into these, not just in the synthesis of the compounds themselves, but in obtaining precursors, I'd love to know if they were simply sourcing ergopeptides of some sort commercialy, or if they have been taking the DIY, biotech approach and if so, weather its coming from Purpurea or Paspali.

Regardles though if the buggers behind the lysergamides we have seen released have managed to get their own biotech fermentation setup and both isolate and maintain a productive strain of C.purpurea or paspalum ergot then they have proved themselves pretty damn resourceful.
 
So this is really just something people would be stoked about because they can't get eth lad, right? I mean theres no advantages to 1p eth lad if you have access to both, right?
 
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