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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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This was the largest orchestrated propaganda operation in U.S. election history. The Democratic Party leaders, both state and federal, and the corporate media colluded to kill Bernie Sanders' campaign. Here were the series of events that unfolded.

1. Leading up to the California primary, pundits and observers commented that Bernie winning CA could change the entire dynamic of the race and get Superdelegates to switch to supporting him.

2. At 10pm the night before California voted, every major news network in the country reporting "Breaking news" that Hillary had just secured enough delegates to win the nomination, even though the last state to vote was 2 weeks prior. This discouraged countless people from even bothering to vote in CA.

3. Two days after Hillary "won" California President Obama, Vice President Biden, and "progressive" Party leader Elizabeth Warren come out and endorse Hillary.

4. Every media outlet and newspaper in the country had headlines today talking about how Bernie has officially lost and will be endorsing Hillary soon.

And now we find out almost HALF of all the votes cast in California haven't even been counted yet. That's 3 MILLION more votes than the 3.4 million they used to call the state for Hillary, most of them Provisional ballots from people that are more likely to be Bernie supporters. And they now say it will take them a MONTH to count them all.

How absolutely ridiculous is that? What state has EVER needed more than a few DAYS let alone a MONTH to count HALF of their votes in a presidential primary?? Bernie Sanders may have very well WON California, yet by the time it's actually announced a month from now is the American public even going to care? They'll have had a month of the media cramming the idea that the race is already over down their throats and Bernie actually winning CA after all will be buried in a side column on the 4th page of the newspaper.

The DNC, Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Hillary's campaign, and their corporate media puppets just sold the American people the biggest lie in U.S. election history.

http://ivn.us/2016/06/09/memo-mainstream-media-california-vote-count-change-dramatically/
 
Who actually has felt well-represented by national leadership in their lifetimes? I haven't. This is all going to be meet the new boss same as the old boss. I won't forget to keep my powder dry in case of revolution, but doubt anything will come of another crony in office.
 
Just A Guy said:
Who actually has felt well-represented by national leadership in their lifetimes? I haven't. This is all going to be meet the new boss same as the old boss. I won't forget to keep my powder dry in case of revolution, but doubt anything will come of another crony in office.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.It is it's natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson.
 
ArCi said:
Is it crazy to think that an Obama endorsement will hurt Hillary?

I feel like there aren't many people that just want to continue Obama era. I was actually a little surprised it happened. Is it common for the current president to endorse a candidate?
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Bush 1 tried to establish himself as his own man/Reagan was begining to get sick, Clinton was a dumpster fire gore wanted nothing to do with after his impeachment, bush 2 was not above the 40% approval ratings after his second term in order to be beneficial to McCain.
Obama,however, needs Hilary to try and keep his legacy and policies in place. If trump comes in and the economy booms regardless of whether or not trumps policies are what did it he will look to be exactly how right wing media and trump portray him to be; an inexperienced president who did nothing but create policies that hindered the economy and created great racial/ class division in 8 short years.
 
ArCi said:
Is it crazy to think that an Obama endorsement will hurt Hillary?

I feel like there aren't many people that just want to continue Obama era. I was actually a little surprised it happened. Is it common for the current president to endorse a candidate?
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You're naive if you don't think there are a large amount of low information voters who are happy with the way things are and who don't understand Obama's negatives. My greatest fear is we might be on a trajectory with how Reagan and Bush I dominated the stage for so long. If Hillary wins the conservative who rises in 2020 or worse 2024 is going to be a nightmare. I'd rather Trump win and he finally kills off the right wing for good.

MMT said:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.It is it's natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson.
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For context he also believed every 20 years the new generation should change the constitution and form of government to suit their own needs. Yes, please.
 
Droppersneck said:
an inexperienced president who did nothing but create policies that hindered the economy and created great racial/ class division in 8 short years.
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Obama has actually patched up the economy, GWB showed us what happens when you deregulate and give the rich all the perks, but don't let facts stop you. Racial and class division is laughable, society is changing and the white heterosexual christian male is no longer on top of course they find this threatening. Just because you're not king anymore doesn't make it reverse racism or whatever garbage the dog whistle racists are pandering to now a days.

This is my big problem with Trump he could potentially destroy America but it's a gamble. If we can pull up from the massive nose dive that he will take us in it will be like fertilizer to America, the conservatives will finally die.
 
noone1 said:
You're naive if you don't think there are a large amount of low information voters who are happy with the way things are and who don't understand Obama's negatives...
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I think a lot of low information voters are very unhappy with the state of things, but most of their support for the Democrat party are naïve indoctrinated college-educated Whites, who are, despite fancy degrees, etc. in fact often relatively low-information outside of their own echo chambers, and in minorities who supported Obama simply out of cultural affinity, and for a variety of reasons which I find harder to understand are quite fond of Hillary.

The only thing that will save us is working-class Whites, and hopefully enough of the more culturally and religiously conservative Blacks and Hispanics will wake up to the liberal agenda to radically redefine fundamental social institutions like marriage and even prioritize ideology over ontology and biology when it comes to "sexual identity." The more liberal impulses of these groups are stoked my the media and manipulated by radicals of all stripes—but a lot of the people at the top are actually White and Jewish and motivated only by a political agenda rather than any real love for other groups. See, the furore over police misconduct of varying degrees of severity from genuine to imaginary, but the incidences of which are neither less nor more than before, but now receive a lot of attention, leading to #BlackLivesMatter, etc. which is a giant distraction for minorities from the real issues; just like the sexual identity politics is the same sort of distraction for White hipsters and SJWs. It's all connected and driven by the media.

But I think the people, ordinary Americans, will rise up against it all of this nonsense in the end. We face significant demographic threats, but when I see the outpouring of support for someone like Trump, hypocrite and buffoon that he may be, it is in rebellion against all of the above, which is why the media–cultural Marxist axis can barely understand, and at first mocked and now mongers fear against the man. But that he's created a genuine movement gives me hope. He may not win in the general but a segment of the populace is becoming more and more politically aware and involved, as evidenced also by some nascent right-wing movements largely based on the Internet, and there is a genuine backlash against rampant identity politics, victim-mongering, "SJWery," "political correctness," and so forth. These movements on the left have already achieved the redefinition of marriage, now they want to redefine sexuality in general, and so on, and so forth; they have gone too far. Immigration and demographic changes are going too far. America is losing it's identity. And we won't give up without a fight; what we're seeing now with Trump is not just a candidacy born out of narcissism nor a personality cult or anything, but the germ of a movement that has been long in coming.
 
SKL said:
He may not win in the general but a segment of the populace is becoming more and more politically aware and involved, as evidenced also by some nascent right-wing movements largely based on the Internet, and there is a genuine backlash against rampant identity politics, victim-mongering, "SJWery," "political correctness," and so forth. These movements on the left have already achieved the redefinition of marriage, now they want to redefine sexuality in general, and so on, and so forth; they have gone too far. Immigration and demographic changes are going too far. America is losing it's identity. And we won't give up without a fight; what we're seeing now with Trump is not just a candidacy born out of narcissism nor a personality cult or anything, but the germ of a movement that has been long in coming.
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I agree with the spirit of what you're saying but totally disagree with the content so I won't get into it here, as it will make me very angry.
 
I find so much common ground lately with folks with whom we hold one another's politics to be mutually deplorable. A bit of the old horseshoe theory, perhaps, but also a sign of the times—anything to break the status quo and the iron grip of whatever the subtle matrix of corporations, military, NGOs, governments, ethnic voting blocks, whatever, that creates our current world. Both of us want to burn it down, but want to remake it in a different image. It is quite easy for me to ally with the left on many economic issues, i.e. in governmental involvement in finance and even the means of production, and protectionism (which doesn't fit easily into our current left–right paradigm), although not on some others (minimum wage, for instance, which I think is just bad economics); I can't with the social-domestic policies and the identity politics and the rejection of identitarianism among the groups who historically built our country but the celebration of identitarianism among others, etc. A practical alliance between people of my persuasion and people of yours is probably possible in the short term but would likely end as well as it did in WWII, albeit with a bunch less snow. Either way, I find it fascinating how many points of agreement I find myself having with leftists although disagreeing on so much more, but those points of agreement being some of the most essential changes needed to be made in government (campaign finance reform, state seizure of the banks, etc. being among them.) Interesting stuff.
 
I think working class people (however you define that - i mean it in a very broad sense) most parts of the political spectrum can see that there is something terribly terribly wrong with the direction many of our countries are going in.
I fear that "the Great Depression" may seem as silly as "the Great War"/"War to end all wars" (WWI) sounds to us now (after WWII etc) with what's to come.
Economic, social, ecological - we're in trouble and it's a bit scary. I hope i'm wrong.
 
spacejunk said:
I think working class people (however you define that - i mean it in a very broad sense) most parts of the political spectrum can see that there is something terribly terribly wrong with the direction many of our countries are going in.
I fear that "the Great Depression" may seem as silly as "the Great War"/"War to end all wars" (WWI) sounds to us now (after WWII etc) with what's to come.
Economic, social, ecological - we're in trouble and it's a bit scary. I hope i'm wrong.
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We are most definitely in trouble. It is time to put away differences, focus less on getting more for your "group", and actually try to enrich/benefit every segment of the population.

What we need is a left leaning moderate. One the likes this country has not seen since the revolution. We need another revolution. Most citizens in the states feel underrepresented and under served. SKL is right, the media drives the division of this country and takes focus away from the real issues. The government is so divided that nothing gets done. If a republican is in office we will see deregulation and democrats trying desperately to pull the rug out from under the republican. You have seen what happens when there is a democrat. We have an obstructionist right wing house and senate. We are spending so much money to get nothing done but stoke the anger of the people.

It is time to stand up and demand that our voices be heard...not just heard but have action taken on what we are saying. Make everyone equal no matter if you are lgbt, black, white, hispanic etc. so that instead of a segment of the population feeling disenfranchised, they can join with the others in order to present a unified front against our know nothing, money corrupted, government.
 
Did everyone see Hillary's latest scandal? You know it has traction because even CNN and MSNBC were reporting on it all day yesterday.

As Secretary of State Hillary appointed a man to some high national security position with top secret clearance. The man had literally zero diplomatic experience. He was actually a wealthy stock trader who had donated over a million dollars to the Hillary Victory Fund, her slush fund "charity" fund.

This is the woman that might be our president...
 
And this wasn't some ceremonial position either. He was given a seat at the Nuclear Strategies Board.

"Others who served on the International Security Advisory Board include: David A. Kay, the former head of the Iraq Survey Group and United Nations Chief Weapons Inspector; Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, a former National Security Advisor to two presidents; and William Perry, the former Secretary of Defense."

And a fucking stock broker. :/
 
Seems like with enough money you don't just need to lobby, you can actually buy a seat for yourself.

Didn't Rod Blagojevich get indicted for corruption for a similar situation?
 
SKL said:
I think a lot of low information voters are very unhappy with the state of things, but most of their support for the Democrat party are naïve indoctrinated college-educated Whites, who are, despite fancy degrees, etc. in fact often relatively low-information outside of their own echo chambers, and in minorities who supported Obama simply out of cultural affinity, and for a variety of reasons which I find harder to understand are quite fond of Hillary.
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This is a good observation. An example of this all too common situation is that your neurologist might be an expert in his field and have an MD/PhD. With only a couple of thougthful questions, he can figure out which of his peer neurologists are as good as the claim to be and which ones are quacks. But he doesn't know the first thing about economics. So when a presidential candidate proposes an economic policy (whether its trickle down Reagonomics or a quasi-socialist with a progressive tax scheme), the neurologist does not have the knowledge to identify which candidate has a good idea and which candidate is a charlatan whose ideas will cause the economy to collapse, start a war, and wreckthe environment. His vote isn't any wiser than that of Joe the plumber.

So it is with America today. We do not live in the Simple Times of our great grand parents. 200 years ago, all it took was common sense to pick the best candidate. Now, the average citizen is asked to vote on life-and-death issues taht they have no competence in deciding. The average voter, no matter if they have a Noble Prize in Medicine or an undergraduate degree in physics, is not qualified to decide issues like the economy or the environment, yet they are given the responsibility to make these decisions.

The world has become too complex for democracy to thrive. If you think it would have already happened (that democracy fail) if what I say is true, it arguably has and it continues to become less democratic and equitable.
 
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noone1 said:
Obama has actually patched up the economy, GWB showed us what happens when you deregulate and give the rich all the perks, but don't let facts stop you. Racial and class division is laughable, society is changing and the white heterosexual christian male is no longer on top of course they find this threatening. Just because you're not king anymore doesn't make it reverse racism or whatever garbage the dog whistle racists are pandering to now a days.

This is my big problem with Trump he could potentially destroy America but it's a gamble. If we can pull up from the massive nose dive that he will take us in it will be like fertilizer to America, the conservatives will finally die.
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Bush sucked granted, but Clinton deregulated the banks in 98 which directly led to subprime lending which caused the housing crash.
 
noone1 said:
For context he also believed every 20 years the new generation should change the constitution and form of government to suit their own needs. Yes, please.
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Actually,the quote is "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion" referring to Shay's rebellion of 1786 in Massachusetts of which he also said "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" to prevent tyranny from establishing a foothold.
 
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