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Regional Pills/MD(M)A Discussion V. I don't understand this chemical waffle

Small_town_casual said:
And Stonehappymonday, show a bit of respect and common sense, you don't call someone a DD on the Internet with no evidence what so ever, really isn't cool that, as good as grassing. What about those saying "oh the AMGs are like old skool ones" and the rainbow drops and now mini coopers and completely slagging and writing off the Dutch ones, that to me sounds more like someone punting!

Just seems like anyone that disagrees with what a certain few say about Dutch pills they get labelled idiots that know nothing.
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Firstly, get to fuck with your grassing comment.

I, unlike BL, don't give a fuck about there being dealers on this board. It's highly unrealistic to expect anything else. My problem is with people who shill.

Andy-777 has offered up 50+ posts eulogising nearly, in fact practically every, pill or crystal he has come across. Pardon me for thinking that looks like a shill (and when you're adding "and my mates I gave them to liked them too" then that is as good as a dealing admission to any plod looking in, regardless of what I've said).

So ok. Maybe Andy isn't a shill. Maybe every single pill and crystal he's got is in the "cor blimey guvnor, banging!" category he puts them in. Including the £15 a g MDMA crystal he bigged up. Pardon me for questioning the word of someone like that. The only £15 a g crystal I've had, and it was around that same time, was utter shite. I'd suggest, at the very least, he could be a bit more discerning. And I've never done 10 pills in a night. And I certainly don't do the amount of pills as his posts suggest he does these days.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Firstly, get to fuck with your grassing comment.

I, unlike BL, don't give a fuck about there being dealers on this board. It's highly unrealistic to expect anything else. My problem is with people who shill.

Andy-777 has offered up 50+ posts eulogising nearly, in fact practically every, pill or crystal he has come across. Pardon me for thinking that looks like a shill (and when you're adding "and my mates I gave them to liked them too" then that is as good as a dealing admission to any plod looking in, regardless of what I've said).

So ok. Maybe Andy isn't a shill. Maybe every single pill and crystal he's got is in the "cor blimey guvnor, banging!" category he puts them in. Including the £15 a g MDMA crystal he bigged up. Pardon me for questioning the word of someone like that. The only £15 a g crystal I've had, and it was around that same time, was utter shite. I'd suggest, at the very least, he could be a bit more discerning. And I've never done 10 pills in a night. And I certainly don't do the amount of pills as his posts suggest he does these days.
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Lol pretty sad you've read through all my posts and I'm still not a dealer eh??

Haven't had a duff pill since I started testing after those horrible mccp rockets some years back, yeah they've varied in strength but they've all worked fine for me. And I'm sure I'm not the only person that's helped a friend out, but I'd never make money because if I'm high and have a spare pill I always end up giving it to some random...it makes their night and mine too.

The £15md...I replied to a question someone asked. I thought this site was meant to be about harm reduction and looking out for other people, maybe I'm wrong. Your argument is particularly weak because if I were a dealer, selling md at £40/g as it is round here, I'd surely have rubbished cheaper stuff.

And I never said you claimed to have taken 10 pills in a night either, you seem to be getting a bit muddled there haha. What does your reading of my posts suggest I take? I'm out two to three times a month, and normally take one pill in two halves.
 
Cant you guys just accept people have different opions? Would be nice if this thread went back to people reporting some actual experiences.

I've been doing pills since 2003, and I do think they've changed. And there is evidence to support that. The change in precursor, method, and as a result marquis reaction. But most of all, it is known PMK-Glycidate can be stereospecific, ie the precursor is only made up of one isomer, and yields and end product that way. If it's made up of a different mix of isomers then obviously the effects will be different. Much like racemic ketamine vs S isomer. I dont see how anyone who knows what they are talking about could say that a drug made up of a differnet mix of isomers wouldnt have a different effect? Each isomer has a completely different profile of effects, and a different mix of isomers will lead to different effects.

Agree with mr boa. Basically you have to take into account every chemist making it is doing things a little differently, some of us have better contacts than others where Dutch pills are concerned. ie people with access to the first batches or any level of insider knowledge will get the better batches. Ontop of that you have got set and setting, tolerance, and personal preferrences etc. It's very subjective. On the whole andy you cant deny there have been alot of people reporting mediocre experiences, I've seen it here, PR, reddit and a little bit on the deep web. The thing that got me with this thread though, is a couple of people posted what was good, and instead of anyone who seemed to be complaining the most and talking about how it's changed, they never actually seemed to try and seek out the good ones. Instead the "pills nowadays arent as good" debate on here continued.

If your really fussy either follow the marquis result theory. Or buy safrole MDMA from Canada and wash the impurities. If your having good nights on a nice batch of Dutch ones lets hear about it :)
 
First you said I had no argument, then you call me sad for bothering to research your posts, now you end up saying my argument is 'weak'.

My argument is you have no discernment. That's why you didn't rubbish £15 a g stuff. If you weren't selling it. Which you presumably weren't.

I didn't get 'muddled' about the ten pills a night. It was an argument you used to suggest people like me, who say there is an obvious, qualitatively measurable difference in MDMA these days, might be victims of tolerance. I'm merely telling you that doesn't apply to me.

If you've never had a duff pill since years back, then I commend your supply line. I just find this hard to square with your approval of the £15 a g crystal, which was shite. Therefore I question your judgement,and I think others should too. Coz, like, we're all entitled to our opinion yeah?

And your 'never make money, always prepared to help out a friend' 1989 attitude in 2016 (yeah, different age LOL) is also highly commendable. In words. On an Internet message board.
 
SHM, price does not matter. You could get very good MDMA for £20 a gram, or very shit MDMA for £50. It is irrelevant the price of it. Remember how cheap MDMA was before the drought, same price as an ounce of weed almost. And its back in abundance now just made differently. so it's the same very cheap prices.

Some people are just wired up differently. Or even just dont properly appreciate drugs. Sorry andy no offence but there's no way every single pill since then has been a good one and had the magic, either that or you cant tell the difference. There are people like this. And the same with coke cut with leva, they cant tell the difference between clean high purity magic and the stuff with the sketchy cut. Equally there are many people who are happy with pills so long as they get munted, remember how many people in the UK were eating pip pills? For what like 3 years? And just thought "these are trippy" wouldnt accept their pills weren't MDMA. Well now it's the same, only most pills are MDMA, but people dont want to accept most of them arent made of the best of MDMA. More like 6-7/10 levels because the stuff is made from an analogue precursor which yields a different product to racemic MDMA, a different mix of isomers, and as such provides a different effect. It's not that hard to understand surely.
 
If you read my post Sid, there's a high chance I had the same £15 a g shite, due to timing. Other than that, you're making the same argument as me, albeit maybe more politely.
 
Ahh yes. I have bought before stuff for £15 not sure if same place but was clear/opaque crystal, very mongy, no energy and only lasted maybe 2 hours. The last few times I've had stuff that was lacking magic it's all been clear looking crystal with no smell of aniseed. Your better off paying the £20 it is from the pink nipple presser or the AMG/Deception crew, which have energy, empathy etc. Both of them smell like aniseed. I know people say this is no sign of quality but it seems to be a sign it's not the Glycidate MDMA, which smells sweet. That and a dark purple marquis result to me usually spells good MDMA.
 
Sid said:
SHM, price does not matter. You could get very good MDMA for £20 a gram, or very shit MDMA for £50. It is irrelevant the price of it. Remember how cheap MDMA was before the drought, same price as an ounce of weed almost. And its back in abundance now just made differently. so it's the same very cheap prices.

Some people are just wired up differently. Or even just dont properly appreciate drugs. Sorry andy no offence but there's no way every single pill since then has been a good one and had the magic, either that or you cant tell the difference. There are people like this. And the same with coke cut with leva, they cant tell the difference between clean high purity magic and the stuff with the sketchy cut. Equally there are many people who are happy with pills so long as they get munted, remember how many people in the UK were eating pip pills? For what like 3 years? And just thought "these are trippy" wouldnt accept their pills weren't MDMA. Well now it's the same, only most pills are MDMA, but people dont want to accept most of them arent made of the best of MDMA. More like 6-7/10 levels because the stuff is made from an analogue precursor which yields a different product to racemic MDMA, a different mix of isomers, and as such provides a different effect. It's not that hard to understand surely.
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I'm not saying that every pill since then has been good, merely that the ones I've had have all been good. Maybe I've been lucky, but if someone constantly gives you nice pills you're not going to look elsewhere. Its a pity that you obviously don't believe that.

Equally I've had duff nights where the night for various reasons hasn't been enjoyable and I haven't been able to get into it, but that's hardly surprising is it? But take the same pill at a night a few weeks later and they've been fine.

I appreciate your views anyway, and thanks for being polite about it

Think I'll just leave this now, too much negativity on here for me.
 
andy-777 said:
Equally I've had duff nights where the night for various reasons hasn't been enjoyable and I haven't been able to get into it, but that's hardly surprising is it? But take the same pill at a night a few weeks later and they've been fine.
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And this is where we (seriously) differ.

Can you say the same about pills between 1989-97? No amount of set and setting could alter a good pill 'back in the day'. And that's why I doubt your accounts of taking pills from back then. Coz that ain't my experience, nor the experience of everyone else I took good pills with.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
And this is where we (seriously) differ.

Can you say the same about pills between 1989-97? No amount of set and setting could alter a good pill 'back in the day'. And that's why I doubt your accounts of taking pills from back then. Coz that ain't my experience, nor the experience of everyone else I took good pills with.
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Yes I can say that, had some bad experiences in that period, seen some horrible things.

And I'm cool if you don't believe I was around and taking pills in that period, makes no odds to me. I'm going to leave this and carry on enjoying myself...something you could maybe do if you let go of all that anger and negativity.
 
Sad to read about that girl who died from the Mastercard pills, and it's looking like they were MDMA pills and not PMA or another similar adulterant. Something like this makes you reconsider doing pills/MDMA yourself.
 
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No, but throw 50 grand to the Cuban gentleman over there and six tonnes of paperback, hardback and electronic copies of anything you want should land in Malta at 3pm.
 
PartTimeRaver said:
no, but id like to. is it downloadable? cant stand physical copies lol
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Not sure if it's downloadable or not as I just bought a paper copy for 8 quid from Waterstones....

The books a bit of a disappointment actually (especially if you're expecting a second Mr.Nice) but does give an excellent insight into who the big players were in the MDMA business in the 90s and where the pills actually came from...

Also an interesting story in it about how even pure pills can be deadly purely due to where they have been stored....
 
englandgz74 said:
Not sure if it's downloadable or not as I just bought a paper copy for 8 quid from Waterstones....The books a bit of a disappointment actually (especially if you're expecting a second Mr.Nice) but does give an excellent insight into who the big players were in the MDMA business in the 90s and where the pills actually came from...Also an interesting story in it about how even pure pills can be deadly purely due to where they have been stored....
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well reading about all that i would find so fascinating, and as i've not read mr.nice i hopefully wont be disappointed. i'll have a look around for it
 
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