Suboxone for depression!

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So just got done with a psychologist appointment and she told me that many of her IOP patients use the same addiction specialist doc as I do. Due to the lack of dopamine in our early recovering heroin addicted bodies, our specialist doc has put some other patients on 2mg even after they were clean of opiates for off label use of anti depression. Is this safe and is it worth it? If someone was to start a suboxone regimen after getting clean and not on any opiates, could the subs help with the PAWS depression or should I just say fuck it and continue to do it my own (depressing) way. Any thoughts friends!?
 
oh man, that's a hard one.
while suboxone definitely has anti- depressant properties and is safe you will be addicted.
very addicted.

I am just now coming off of 2mg after 6 years use and it's fucking brutal,brother.
all my initial symptoms are returning ,the anxiety tenfold ,the RLS etc= bad opiate withdrawal.
I have 3 days only ,it shouldn't be this bad already but my metabolism is super fast.

for a depressive to cope with getting off it you will most likely be put on another different med regime.
so if it's not for life (and what is?) it will turn into a major struggle.

as much as it helped my depression I don't feel it's worth it.
just my opinion.
the withdrawal phase is up to 3 months feeling ultimately way way more depressed and in anxiety.

I just ordered a lot of Kratom cuz I can't deal with being sick right now.
and thats bullshit too.
you don't have to continue your depressive ways though.
there are other options.
 
Ahhgood point! I'm almost willing to give it like 2-3 week try but I'm not sure he'd even allow me to do such a trial with a med like suboxonne after already being clean and after receiving a vivitrol shot 5 weeks ago. Thought the addiction aspect is what dissuades me from wanting to go that route. I used to take Effexor but I took that while using heroin and it would effect my heroin high by diminishing the high. So I stopped taking it and not sure if I should try that again or Wellbutrin. Any insight as to Wellbutrin ?
 
no insight from experience. I'm on Celexa, an SSRI.
Wellbutrin is in a class of it's own. it's a so-called NDRI (norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitors).
as far as I know the only drug in that class.

Wellbutrin can be slightly stimulating which is why my doc won't prescribe it.
I'm bipolar and risk mania.
I think trying anti-depressants, if it's wellbutrin or an SSRI, is a better plan than subs.
at least to start out with.
suboxone for depression is for treatment resistant depression (all other options have failed).

fun fact: wellbutrin has been "abused" in prisons, snorted, some people claim you can get high off of it.
that has to be an urban myth.
lol.

it is also used for stopping smoking.
 
Buprenorphine is very effective for depression. 2mg/day seems like overkill, though.

I would recommend a dose of 0.25mg/day (1/8th of what your doctor is prescribing), which can then be painlessly tapered down in the microgram range later to avoid w/d using a liquid dilution.

I've done the research in my own laboratory. Its safe and effective.
 
buprenoprhine for depression is a terrible idea ESPECIALLY if you had a prior addiction to opiates;

as it leads to dependence/addiction all OVER again and eventually worsening of depression in my experience.......

If you think heroin or any other wd is bad; buprenoprhine is MOTHER FUCKING HELL;

seems like time is the only thing that helps a lot of people who quit opiates; i quit suboxone 61 days ago and still feel shitty sadly..


Ofcourse it works for paws it is an OPIATE; your just resetting any healing your brain has done once you being to take opiates again.
 
buprenoprhine for depression is a terrible idea ESPECIALLY if you had a prior addiction to opiates;

as it leads to dependence/addiction all OVER again and eventually worsening of depression in my experience.......

If you think heroin or any other wd is bad; buprenoprhine is MOTHER FUCKING HELL;

seems like time is the only thing that helps a lot of people who quit opiates; i quit suboxone 61 days ago and still feel shitty sadly..


Ofcourse it works for paws it is an OPIATE; your just resetting any healing your brain has done once you being to take opiates again.

^this. You will feel better over time. It took a year for me to start feeling pleasure again after I got sober in 2014. It may not be that long for you, I was on benzos for 10 years and got off those in 2010, but relapsed on alcohol and drank ridiculous amounts between 2012 and 2014, and was previously a heavy binge drinker for 17 years. Once I quit all mind altering substances I was severely depressed for a year, and it continues to get better. I don't take any medications now. I was afraid to start antidepressants as they only seem to work for me for a short while, then they put me in zombie mode and they're hell to get off of. If you can, try giving it some time and riding it out.
 
Yeah went and saw him and recommended i go on without it... Anyways I use marijuana as my anti anxiety and anti depression med. though smoking a shit ton in replace of the dope haha. Works for the time being but really looking for as many options as possible at this point haha
 
I used to convince myself that Tramadol was great for my depression and anxiety. It was for a while, but all these drugs turn on you, then what? You're looking down the path of withdrawal. I have no experience with suboxone and it must be an even better feeling than tramadol I'm guessing. These drugs always catch up to you eventually and you have to suffer the consequences. Is it worth it? Maybe. I'm so sick of dealing with major depression and anxiety, it's actually worth it to me to take something that will make at least some of my days feel like it's worth living. I'm contradicting myself in a way. I just know for ME, I need something to break up the misery and being sober is a nightmare.
 
This^ I feel your pain my friend I feel the exact same way.. I know the horror of addiction to opiates too well... But sometimes think it'd be worth it to get back in to live a happy life... And these are sober thoughts... See I tried using heroin today and didn't even get high.. Granted I received a vivitrol shit 39 days ago but still... I can't feel shit so no relief. Truly urning to at least expirrement just slightly with a few days worth of smack to feel good. Damn there goes my addict speaking again... I want to be sober I think???
 
This^ I feel your pain my friend I feel the exact same way.. I know the horror of addiction to opiates too well... But sometimes think it'd be worth it to get back in to live a happy life... And these are sober thoughts... See I tried using heroin today and didn't even get high.. Granted I received a vivitrol shit 39 days ago but still... I can't feel shit so no relief. Truly urning to at least expirrement just slightly with a few days worth of smack to feel good. Damn there goes my addict speaking again... I want to be sober I think???

I think you need to decide if you do want to be sober. There's no right or wrong answer in my opinion. Soberly consider the pros and cons of each situation. Also keep in mind you're early in recovery, you feel terrible now but it does get better. I've been through hell and back in my journey to sobriety and I know after quitting benzos I went over a year wondering if life was even worth living anymore. I was always anxious, depressed, and I literally didn't experience joy. If it weren't for the fact that one of my parents was always with me during that time, I know I would have committed suicide. I couldn't bring myself to try another antidepressant, and essentially ruled out try any medication for my mood. As time went on I told myself I won't kill myself until my parents pass because I don't want them to have the pain of our living me. Times were not easy, but one year passed and then the next, and I continued to feel better. I actually have times now where I feel like a normal person, and I never thought that would happen. I am very optimistic that there is hope for a normal life. That won't happen for you while you stay trapped in the cycle of stopping and starting. Recovery takes time, and there is nothing you can do to rush it. If I were you, I would make a choice to either use or to continue on to sobriety because either one is better than the purgatory that is withdrawal and early recovery. Keep in mind you already have a decent amount of clean time (not counting the h experiment, but Vivitrol blocked it), why not continue on and see how you feel. It does get better, and you can change your mind at anytime and use.
 
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X_benzo_girl, do you suffer from treatment resistant major depression and anxiety or any other mental illness? You went through a long hard road to get back to feeling more normal. Even if I remained sober, I wouldn't feel "normal", I would still be a depressed, anxious, bipolar mess. So I think it's easier for those who were "normal" in the first place to just go back to feeling like their old selves again (after healing of course) if major depression, anxiety or even bipolar was never in the picture.
 
Hi, I would like to share my experience with suboxone and hope it will help you. This drug is glorious for the addict who has no where to go. When all sources and money run dry and you're terrified of what's to come. For a heavy user with a high tolerance you will need about 3/4 to one 8mg pill dissolved under your tongue to feel better. You must be in withdrawal to take it and its bitter and you're thinking "how can this work" then all of a sudden you're laughing and although tired and emotional from your ordeal, you feel fantastic!!!! The best part is for those of us in chronic pain...there is no more pain.
Long story short I had a 3 year love affair with sub. , no I wasn't euphoric, but I had the energy (without sleeping for weeks on end) of a teenager. Bad insomnia on it, caused me to fall asleep while driving. End of my suboxone. I'm going on 6 weeks off of it now and depressed and in pain and still shaking. No one should be on this pill unless it's for life. Jmho ☺
 
X_benzo_girl, do you suffer from treatment resistant major depression and anxiety or any other mental illness? You went through a long hard road to get back to feeling more normal. Even if I remained sober, I wouldn't feel "normal", I would still be a depressed, anxious, bipolar mess. So I think it's easier for those who were "normal" in the first place to just go back to feeling like their old selves again (after healing of course) if major depression, anxiety or even bipolar was never in the picture.

Yes - I have mental health issues. I'm severely OCD, like the OCD you see in movies, I also have PTSD which I don't often discuss, and for years I had major depression. I thought for the longest time it was treatment resistant but learned a lot of it was drug induced. Drugs brought to a low I barely survived. I stayed at that low for years. When I say feel almost normal, l mean better than my original predrug baseline. As I have used CBT to learn how to better control the OCD and help with the PTSD, I am no longer obviously suffering a mental health issue of I go out in public. I am a functional person again, and continue to improve. I can feel pleasure again, and my bouts of depression are getting fewer and are shorter in duration. Will I ever be normal, I don't know. I hope through continue work I can.

By the way, you should know that OCD is an anxiety based mental disorder. From your post, I gather that you weren't aware of that.

Many times drugs make existing mental health disorders worse, and can seamingly create mental health issues - ie drug induced schizophrenia from psychosis. I think if a drug user is beginning to feel consistently terrible, they should valid consider sobriety to see where their baseline is. Sobriety is not going to hurt them.

I guess I should state for people with major mental health issues, I never intended to infer that they should stop taking their medication, only that they should consider abstaining from extracurricular drugs. I fully realize that a bipolar disorder is not going to nicely go away or control itself. Therapy may make the experience better for the person that suffers, but the condition persists. My heart goes out to people who have bipolar disorders because I see the medication regimes that get scripted, and as with so many other mental health issues, it's a psychiatrist throwing darts hoping something will stick. The medication is brutal. But even in the instance of bipolar, getting to a baseline would make the condition less unpredictable and they can get closer to their baseline.

Some normals are better than others. I would rather have my sober normal now than the normal I had for years using drugs. After that nightmare, my normal is much more pleasant. We don't quickly realize how drugs affect us, and because of the high, it takes time to acknowledge that they are adversely affecting us.

ETA: often I deny the PTSD because it's self induced, and I feel guilty talking about to people who it from life events.
 
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Yes - I have mental health issues. I'm severely OCD, like the OCD you see in movies, I also have PTSD which I don't often discuss, and for years I had major depression. I thought for the longest time it was treatment resistant but learned a lot of it was drug induced. Drugs brought to a low I barely survived. I stayed at that low for years. When I say feel almost normal, l mean better than my original predrug baseline. As I have used CBT to learn how to better control the OCD and help with the PTSD, I am no longer obviously suffering a mental health issue of I go out in public. I am a functional person again, and continue to improve. I can feel pleasure again, and my bouts of depression are getting fewer and are shorter in duration. Will I ever be normal, I don't know. I hope through continue work I can.

By the way, you should know that OCD is an anxiety based mental disorder. From your post, I gather that you weren't aware of that.

Many times drugs make existing mental health disorders worse, and can seamingly create mental health issues - ie drug induced schizophrenia from psychosis. I think if a drug user is beginning to feel consistently terrible, they should valid consider sobriety to see where their baseline is. Sobriety is not going to hurt them.....

Good for you coming so far. My mood swings were definitely heightened by etizolam and c-lam, but when I'm on it, life is good again. It's just not something I can realistically keep up with (unless I start taking responsibly) because every time I run out, I'm miserable for a few weeks until I get more. I already suffer from PMDD, worst than PMS, add PAWS on top of it and I'm a disaster. So I don't know what to do, but I need to find a drug I can keep up with so I can remain functional. I've given up on antidepressants. I've tried those for decades and the only ones that worked were MAOIs until they stopped working. I'm just tired of suffering and I need to figure something out. Like I said, even without anything, I would still be in bad shape, probably not as bad as after self-medicating, but I still go through a lot of emotional pain out of nowhere because that's how my brain is wired.

Congrats to you for improving so much. That entire year when you felt suicidal must have been the worst. Right now I'm stuck because I can't go through an entire year like that where I'm hanging on for dear life just to get to a baseline normal that's still a nightmare for me anyway. I'm already barely hanging on, but when I finally get the benzos, I'm at ease again and can live my life. Even my psychiatrist upped my dosage of klonopin when initially she was weaning everyone off, but she sees how much I need it. I have to stop taking too much though when I finally get it. That's my fault for running out too soon, but I do need it.
 
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Good for you coming so far. My mood swings were definitely heightened by etizolam and c-lam, but when I'm on it, life is good again. It's just not something I can realistically keep up with (unless I start taking responsibly) because every time I run out, I'm miserable for a few weeks until I get more. I already suffer from PMDD, worst than PMS, add PAWS on top of it and I'm a disaster. So I don't know what to do, but I need to find a drug I can keep up with so I can remain functional. I've given up on antidepressants. I've tried those for decades and the only ones that worked were MAOIs until they stopped working. I'm just tired of suffering and I need to figure something out. Like I said, even without anything, I would still be in bad shape, probably not as bad as after self-medicating, but I still go through a lot of emotional pain out of nowhere because that's how my brain is wired.

Congrats to you for improving so much. That entire year when you felt suicidal must have been the worst. Right now I'm stuck because I can't go through an entire year like that where I'm hanging on for dear life just to get to a baseline normal that's still a nightmare for me anyway. I'm already barely hanging on, but when I finally get the benzos, I'm at ease again and can live my life. Even my psychiatrist upped my dosage of klonopin when initially she was weaning everyone off, but she sees how much I need it. I have to stop taking too much though when I finally get it. That's my fault for running out too soon, but I do need it.

Have you considered low dose ketamine? When I was at my worse I looked into that, and also electroshock therapy. Both seem pretty promising. I've been doing well lately, but it's always in the back of my mind that it could come back. One thing I do now that greatly improves my moods is to pay attention to nutrition. I don't like the taste of most meats so I pretty much exist on fruits and vegetables. I've been borderline anorexic/bulimic since I was a kid, though I also have binge eating tendancies which is where the bulimia comes into play. I followed a fairly strict fat free does for years, coupled with horrible alcoholism and no meat I was a nutritional mess. I noticed since I make a conscious effort to eat healthy fats now, along with adequate iron and other micronutients, my mood significantly improved. About two years ago I started using an app called myfitnesspal that you log your food into, and I found I was extremely deficit in a lot of nutrients. I also didn't realize the body actually requires fat for hormones production and other things, so I did a lot of research. I also found that meat is a big source of nutrients that make serotnin, so I redesigned my diet and came up with daily food schedules that were favorable for neurotransmitter generation. It seems to have made a difference. My mood takes a nose dive when I go days without protien, so now I'm pretty regimented on what I eat. It's not exciting, but the mental benefits are worth it to me. You may want to closely examine what you're consuming, it may play a part.

As far as psych meds, I don't understand why they can't create an inhaler that binds to adrenaline and stops the reaction when someone is having an anxiety attack. Beta blockers work fairly well, but as with everything else, your body adjusts and they lose effectiveness over time. I have no ideas for antidepressants. We as a society really need to devote more research into mental health. Depression seems to have so many different causes, and treatment is just a series of educated guesses, which sucks for patients.
 
You're right about nutrition. I do feel a lot better when I eat right and exercise. I get on a kick where I take good care of myself that way, then I fall right back to my old ways of not doing any physical activity and eating up everything. Then I feel like garbage, especially if I add an alcohol binge to an eating binge. Which usually go hand-in-hand. Diet and work out do play a major part so that's true.
 
Since you seem to know allot @ chemistry, i wonder would you be willing to give me some advise/oppinion? I've been tappering off of LARGE daily doses of morphine. ..im down to 100mg a day, a quarter of what I was taking. I'm getting advise from someone who can get me suboxone, 5 daily doses only, and they say if i take it i can go through comfortable detox and be finished with the opiates for good. Is this true? I thought if i took the suboxone, Id have to tapper off that too.
And if I can only get 5 sublinguals for 5 days of treatment what should i expect to feel when that's gone? I am truly dedicated to quit....but worried that once i take it i will have no hope if it doesn't go well. I also suffer from depression, anxiety, PTSD. I have access to antidepressants, and klonopin but don't take the antidepressants right now as they seemed to make my heart race worse durring this tapper down.
Would those help me after taking the sub? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you soyVERY much for any input....♡
 
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